No seriously... This is a foul

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[B]Why can't perimeter defenders in today's game get this close??... Because it's a foul!![/B]


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[B]Instead, today's perimeter defense is a league-mandated hands-off - space is now [i]required[/i] between players on the perimeter, so shooters and penetrators achieve stats much easier against the visibly weaker defense: [/B]


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OP shook

What's MJ's record for most pts in a quarter?

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OP shook

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Why would I be shook - MJ has many games > than Curry's game tonight, or any Curry game

And if MJ got the same league-mandated space on the perimeter that Curry enjoys, he'd score 100 points today, as many have said including Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, and many more.. Kobe almost did it under these soft rules.

[QUOTE=3ball]Why would I be shook - MJ has many games > than Curry's game tonight, or any Curry game

And if MJ got the same league-mandated space on the perimeter that Curry enjoys, he'd score 100 points today, as many have said including Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, and many more.. Kobe almost did it under these soft rules.[/QUOTE]

I thought u used mj as your golden sword to slay lebron. Why the curry comparisons??

[QUOTE=Donkey4trading]

What's MJ's record for most pts in a quarter?

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What's Curry's record for threes in Finals half?

Or steals or blocks?

[QUOTE=NZStreetBaller]I thought u used mj as your golden sword to slay lebron. Why the curry comparisons??[/QUOTE]
Curry's offense is better than Lebron's ever was... Lebron's offense is small-fry and ineffective at the highest level compared to truly SKILLED players like Curry, MJ, Kobe or Bird.

However, Curry's offense is built upon the 3-pointer more than any player in history, so that means he'd be worse in eras that didn't have a 3-point line.. Whereas MJ averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers at 59% ts, so he'd be the goat in any era.

[QUOTE=3ball]What's Curry's record for threes in Finals half?

Or steals or blocks?[/QUOTE]
No but seriously.. that was not a bad question at all.. Can you answer that because I'm curious as well.. I know Kobe (vs Jazz in 2006-07 season), Klay, Carmelo are all in the 30s..

[QUOTE=3ball]What's Curry's record for threes in Finals half?

Or steals or blocks?[/QUOTE]
Don't have to get defensive bro. Just because 2016 Curry > Prime MJ, doesn't mean you can't answer the question... how many points did MJ get in a quarter?

[QUOTE=Donkey4trading]

OP shook

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Kobe almost achieved 100 points against today's league-mandated, hands-off defense - since 2005, space is [I]required[/I] between players on the perimeter, so shooters and penetrators achieve stats much easier against visibly weaker defense:


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But lets see Kobe or Curry do that with NO space in between them and the defender - it's like night and day - no more prancing around unfettered on the perimeter:


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curry is special right now and i watched damn near every jordan game from 1990 - 1998 and i collected all the basketball cards ect.. i was a real hardcore fan. all i did was fish and watch basketball when i was a teen.

BUT they are 2 different swords Jordan was a fadeaway EXPERT i know alot of the highlights people see is jordan dunking ect... well he was a great athlete so them shots get seen most on highlights. but his go to was a lazy fade away that was unblockable. BOTH JORDAN and PIPPEN played the lane like JIMMY buttler is just now starting to do but they both got around 3 picks - dunks per game its insane to see that good defense produces about + 4 - 8 points per game but it happened alot. Jordan was slightly ahead of pippen but (TRUST ME THIS) pippen got to HOF by doing that.

CURRY is just a pure shooter and the greatest 3 point shooter of all time i dont even think i'll live to see someone shoot 3s as good as him. larry bird was good at 3 pointers but lets be honest larry bird could not even compair to this curry we have right now. ONLY thing i think ATM that sets curry apart from GOAT is the steals and defense.

CHICAGO without rose held curry to 26 points and well 26 points is still good but i'd liked him to put 40 on chicago to impress me the most.. then again i dont realy see too many people go off on chicago like that.

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[B]40 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 38[/COLOR]
Jerry West -- 20
Lebron James -- 16
Elgin Baylor -- 14
[COLOR="Red"]Kobe Bryant -- 13[/COLOR]
Wilt Chamberlain -- 13
Shaquille O'Neal -- 12
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 11
Allen Iverson -- 10
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 9
Rick Barry -- 8
Bernard King -- 7
Dirk Nowitzki -- 7
Dwyane Wade -- 7
George Gervin -- 6
Charles Barkley -- 5
Larry Bird -- 5
John Havlicek -- 5
Bob McAdoo -- 5
Bob Pettit -- 5
Dominique Wilkins -- 5
Stephen Curry -- 3


[B]50 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 8[/COLOR]
Wilt Chamberlain -- 4
Allen Iverson -- 3
Jerry West -- 2
Elgin Baylor -- 1
Charles Barkley -- 1
Rick Barry -- 1
John Havlicek -- 1
Sam Jones -- 1
Eric Floyd -- 1
Ray Allen -- 1
Bob Pettit -- 1
Billy Cunningham -- 1
Bob McAdoo -- 1
Dominique Wilkins -- 1
Karl Malone -- 1
Vince Carter -- 1
Dirk Nowitzki -- 1
[COLOR="red"]Kobe Bryant -- 1[/COLOR]
Bob Cousy -- 1
Stephen Curry -- 0

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this is awful defense for one

for two even if that was a good defender and they tried to do that to steph curry...

steph curry deadlifts 400+ pounds ([url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds[/url])

if that skinny ass ngga put his hand on currys hip, he would take a fuccing dip

curry would drive that slim jim all the way to the bank, does not have the lower body strength to handle curry, that is saying if he doesn't beat him off the dribble. from the speed of that gif I hope it isn't slowed down or anything because the foot speed looks awful


Curry is the offensive GOAT by a long shot and if he plays at this level for the rest of the season it will be the Greatest Season Of All Time, better than Jordans, with defense factored in as well.

[QUOTE=warriorfan][img]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif[/img]

this is awful defense for one

for two even if that was a good defender and they tried to do that to steph curry...

steph curry deadlifts 400+ pounds ([url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds[/url])

if that skinny ass ngga put his hand on currys hip, he would take a fuccing dip

curry would drive that slim jim all the way to the bank, does not have the lower body strength to handle curry, that is saying if he doesn't beat him off the dribble. from the speed of that gif I hope it isn't slowed down or anything because the foot speed looks awful


Curry is the offensive GOAT by a long shot and if he plays at this level for the rest of the season it will be the Greatest Season Of All Time, better than Jordans, with defense factored in as well.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=3ball]Michael Jordan -- 38
Jerry West -- 20
Lebron James -- 16
Elgin Baylor -- 14
Kobe Bryant -- 13[/QUOTE]

Jerry West has more 40 point games than James and Bryant. :applause:

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[B]this is awful defense for one[/B]


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The defense Curry faces is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


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No comparison


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Curry is the offensive GOAT by a long shot with defense factored in as well.

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[B]A player cannot be greater based [I]solely[/I] on true shooting - in almost EVERY other category, Curry is inferior:[/B]


[COLOR="Blue"][url=http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#443-462-sum:pgl_basic]Jordan 1991 (20 games)[/url]: 32.5 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 5.8 apg.. 2.7 spg.. 1.4 bpg.. 56.6 fg.. 63.3 ts.. 131 ortg[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"][U]Curry. 2016 (20 games)[/U]: 32.0 ppg.. 5.1 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 0.2 bpg.. 52.4 fg.. 70.0 ts.. 128 ortg[/COLOR]


MJ even had higher ORtg, or points-per-possession, which is the real efficiency measure (unbiased by free throw or 3-point [I]frequency[/I]).

And if MJ got the same league-mandated space on the perimeter that Curry enjoys, he'd score 100 points today, as many have said including Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, and many more.. Kobe almost did it under these soft rules.

[QUOTE=3ball]\


[I][SIZE="3"]^^^^^ A statistical anomaly - otoh, how many 40+ point playoff games does Curry have?[/SIZE][/I]


[B]40 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 38[/COLOR]
Jerry West -- 20
Lebron James -- 16
Elgin Baylor -- 14
Kobe Bryant -- 13
Wilt Chamberlain -- 13
Shaquille O'Neal -- 12
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 11
Allen Iverson -- 10
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 9
Rick Barry -- 8
Bernard King -- 7
Dirk Nowitzki -- 7
Dwyane Wade -- 7
George Gervin -- 6
Charles Barkley -- 5
Larry Bird -- 5
John Havlicek -- 5
Bob McAdoo -- 5
Bob Pettit -- 5
Dominique Wilkins -- 5
[COLOR="Red"]Stephen Curry -- 3[/COLOR]


[B]50 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 8[/COLOR]
Wilt Chamberlain -- 4
Allen Iverson -- 3
Jerry West -- 2
Elgin Baylor -- 1
Charles Barkley -- 1
Rick Barry -- 1
John Havlicek -- 1
Sam Jones -- 1
Eric Floyd -- 1
Ray Allen -- 1
Bob Pettit -- 1
Billy Cunningham -- 1
Bob McAdoo -- 1
Dominique Wilkins -- 1
Karl Malone -- 1
Vince Carter -- 1
Dirk Nowitzki -- 1
Kobe Bryant -- 1
Bob Cousy -- 1
[COLOR="Red"]Stephen Curry -- 0[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

This kinda shit should send Bran stans home crying...i mean, everything else aside, what pure domination.

No seriously...you're a fvcking weirdo

Flag football:roll:

3Ball ethering fools again.

It is undeniable that modern basketball is flag football compared to 90s basketball.

Quite literally touch rules, you can't touch, we're pre-NBA in this softness, back to James Naismith teaching high school girls.

Embarassing:facepalm

[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]curry is special right now and i watched damn near every jordan game from 1990 - 1998 and i collected all the basketball cards ect.. i was a real hardcore fan. all i did was fish and watch basketball when i was a teen.

[B]BUT they are 2 different swords Jordan was a fadeaway EXPERT i know alot of the highlights people see is jordan dunking ect.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thats because they refuse to watch the The Legend Of the Greatest video...That's all anyone needs for all things MJ....

[QUOTE=warriorfan][img]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif[/img]

this is awful defense for one

for two even if that was a good defender and they tried to do that to steph curry...

steph curry deadlifts 400+ pounds ([url]http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds[/url])

if that skinny ass ngga put his hand on currys hip, he would take a fuccing dip

curry would drive that slim jim all the way to the bank, does not have the lower body strength to handle curry, that is saying if he doesn't beat him off the dribble. from the speed of that gif I hope it isn't slowed down or anything because the foot speed looks awful


[B]Curry is the offensive GOAT by a long shot and if he plays at this level for the rest of the season it will be the Greatest Season Of All Time, better than Jordans, with defense factored in as well.[/B][/QUOTE]
Shit like this is gonna have people hating Curry....

[QUOTE=3ball]The only category Curry beats MJ is true shooting - you can't say Curry is greater just based on that.

MJ is greater in virtually every other category, including ppg, rpg, apg, spg, bpg.

And his best months had higher ORtg, or points-per-possession, which is the real efficiency measure (unbiased by free throw or 3-point frequency).




[I][SIZE="3"]^^^^^ A statistical anomaly - otoh, how many 40+ point playoff games does Curry have?[/SIZE][/I]


[B]40 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 38[/COLOR]
Jerry West -- 20
Lebron James -- 16
Elgin Baylor -- 14
Kobe Bryant -- 13
Wilt Chamberlain -- 13
Shaquille O'Neal -- 12
Hakeem Olajuwon -- 11
Allen Iverson -- 10
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -- 9
Rick Barry -- 8
Bernard King -- 7
Dirk Nowitzki -- 7
Dwyane Wade -- 7
George Gervin -- 6
Charles Barkley -- 5
Larry Bird -- 5
John Havlicek -- 5
Bob McAdoo -- 5
Bob Pettit -- 5
Dominique Wilkins -- 5
[COLOR="Red"]Stephen Curry -- 3[/COLOR]


[B]50 point games (Playoffs)[/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Michael Jordan -- 8[/COLOR]
Wilt Chamberlain -- 4
Allen Iverson -- 3
Jerry West -- 2
Elgin Baylor -- 1
Charles Barkley -- 1
Rick Barry -- 1
John Havlicek -- 1
Sam Jones -- 1
Eric Floyd -- 1
Ray Allen -- 1
Bob Pettit -- 1
Billy Cunningham -- 1
Bob McAdoo -- 1
Dominique Wilkins -- 1
Karl Malone -- 1
Vince Carter -- 1
Dirk Nowitzki -- 1
Kobe Bryant -- 1
Bob Cousy -- 1
[COLOR="Red"]Stephen Curry -- 0[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Why so shook?

[QUOTE=90sgoat]Flag football:roll:

3Ball ethering fools again.

It is undeniable that modern basketball is flag football compared to 90s basketball.

Quite literally touch rules, you can't touch, we're pre-NBA in this softness, back to James Naismith teaching high school girls.

Embarassing:facepalm[/QUOTE]

You're exaggerating the difference so much that it seems likely you never watched the 90s and just believe the mainstream stories

[QUOTE=Kvnzhangyay]You're exaggerating the difference so much that it seems likely you never watched the 90s and just believe the mainstream stories[/QUOTE]

Exaggerating is when people make it out like people got mugged driving to the hoops all the time in the 90s that was Bad Boy Pistons and 80s goon ball, but this here is exactly the difference between modern game and 90s game.

Basketball today on the perimeter is No-Touch No-Contact AT ALL.

The major difference is that bball used to be a contact sport, contact was accepted as an inevitable part of the game, you could have contact without a foul being called either way. Today when there is contact, except on post game, you automatically have a foul offensive or defensive.

You never see that belly on perimeter player defense anymore. Pippen and Payton would foul out in a quarter today. Handcheck like what 3ball posted is just the obvious example, but getting real close isn't allowed anymore.

The Heat got away with it in 12 and 13 because of ref help and they had exactly that swarming perimeter D that you saw in the 90s and it makes a world of difference for perimeter players.

[QUOTE=90sgoat]Exaggerating is when people make it out like people got mugged driving to the hoops all the time in the 90s that was Bad Boy Pistons and 80s goon ball, but this here is exactly the difference between modern game and 90s game.

Basketball today on the perimeter is No-Touch No-Contact AT ALL.

The major difference is that bball used to be a contact sport, contact was accepted as an inevitable part of the game, you could have contact without a foul being called either way. Today when there is contact, except on post game, you automatically have a foul offensive or defensive.

You never see that belly on perimeter player defense anymore. Pippen and Payton would foul out in a quarter today. Handcheck like what 3ball posted is just the obvious example, but getting real close isn't allowed anymore.

The Heat got away with it in 12 and 13 because of ref help and they had exactly that swarming perimeter D that you saw in the 90s and it makes a world of difference for perimeter players.[/QUOTE]

You are correct in saying perimeter defense is limited in contact nowadays, especially in standstill (there is still a decent amount of contact on drives), however saying it is "flag football" is just stupid.

3ball is correct on this one. Today's game is reffed in a completely pathetic way. The offensive player has every advantage compared to in the past where the defensive player at least had some liberty. The refs are horrible at calling blocked shots in today's game as well. In the beginning of the season, I've seen about 50% clean blocked shots that were called fouls. We're at an all time low in quality refs.

dear op:

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