Maybe Wade and Bosh are not all that great? Or is it on Spoelstra for not making it work? Or is it both?
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Maybe Wade and Bosh are not all that great? Or is it on Spoelstra for not making it work? Or is it both?
They aren't playing as a cohesive unit, part of it is down to the coach but also the players. Plus spacing with our starting 5 is really rough.
It seems in particular that Bosh doesn't really know what his role is, I wish he was more aggressive.
Um, They have a winning record? What the hell were your expectations? Wade is days away from 34, Bosh was always been a bit soft, and Dragic has gotten off to a slow start, and we have very little consistent perimeter shooting. I'm cool with the start as Miami fan. I especially like how good the team ranks defensively.
[QUOTE=Human Error][B]Maybe Wade and Bosh are not all that great?[/B] Or is it on Spoelstra for not making it work? Or is it both?[/QUOTE]
Maybe they're old and a shell of their former selves. Maybe Bosh almost died last year.
Maybe Deng isn't that good anymore.
Maybe Dragic has been bad.
Maybe.
:wtf: How is that a bad record in the bloodbath Beastern Conference?
You know they're only half a game behind the #2 seed Pacers and 2.5 games behind the #1 seed Cavs, right?
Bosh was never that great. Good shooting big man and that's about it.
Wade is still pretty good but basically detrimental to ball movement at this point. He either jacks up terrible long 2s or pounds the ball the entire shotclock and drives. He does setup both Whiteside and shooters, but the only way this would work well is with a team setup like the Cavs with all shooters and one big. He really needs to put his ego aside and stop taking some of the shots he takes.
Going along with that both Dragic & Deng don't really go with that style of play as they aren't great shooters, both would rather drive/slash respectively.
Green is pretty decent and so is Winslow, but Winslow's shooting is not nearly good enough yet. Don't get the point of McBob really. Haslem still plays for some reason over Stat & Birdman.
So long story short, not enough shooting, offense is turnover prone from Wade & Whiteside, poorly constructed roster. They still will be ok and finish 3-6 in East imo, but they would be much better with even one pure shooter in the starting lineup.
Bosh, Deng and Wade's best days are behind them dude.
[QUOTE=oh the horror]Bosh, Deng and Wade's best days are behind them dude.[/QUOTE]
...and soon Dragic's. Welcome to win-now mode. Heat need Winslow, Green, Johnson and Whiteside to step up.
Is this thread serious? First of all, 15-10 is a good record, roughly a 50 win pace.
I don't know how anyone can look at that group and expect much better results. Wade is 34 years old and Deng and Bosh are also on the wrong side of 30. Whiteside isn't as good as his numbers suggest. He still makes rookie-like mistakes on both sides of the ball and he doesn't even play 4th quarters. Dragic has played better of late, but overall he's been disappointing.
The Heat have also been without 2 key rotation players in TJ and McRoberts for the past 7 games, Deng has missed several games, and Green's incident earlier in the season led to him missing games. The Heat are doing well, all things considered, and they're still searching for cohesion and their identity. I don't think there's a single Heat fan who wouldn't have taken a 15-10 start in a heartbeat.
[QUOTE=DMV2]:wtf: How is that a bad record in the bloodbath Beastern Conference?[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]Maybe they're old and a shell of their former selves. [B]Maybe Bosh almost died last year.[/B]
Maybe Deng isn't that good anymore.
Maybe Dragic has been bad.
Maybe.[/QUOTE]
micropenis isn't life threatening
[QUOTE=FKAri]micropenis isn't life threatening[/QUOTE]
I said Bosh, not Bran.
Thats what they get for running LeBron out of town
[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]I said Bosh, not Bran.[/QUOTE]
Bran Flakes? I love that shit. Helps me shit on my enemies
That's a better record than they had during the last 25 games that Bran was in the lineup. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Doranku]That's a better record than they had during the last 25 games that Bran was in the lineup. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Wade missed almost all those games
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Wade missed almost all those games[/QUOTE]
Did he? I know he was on that stupid maintenence plan but I thought he was mostly sitting out back to backs. My memory is a bit foggy and I wasn't able to watch a lot of the late season games.
Anyway, the Heat are now 16-10 with Johnson, McRoberts, and Deng all missing several games and Dragic for the most part has struggled. That's pretty damn good. They are still working out the kinks but overall it's been a very pleasing start to the season.
[QUOTE=GrapeApe]Did he? I know he was on that stupid maintenence plan but I thought he was mostly sitting out back to backs. My memory is a bit foggy and I wasn't able to watch a lot of the late season games.
Anyway, the Heat are now 16-10 with Johnson, McRoberts, and Deng all missing several games and Dragic for the most part has struggled. That's pretty damn good. They are still working out the kinks but overall it's been a very pleasing start to the season.[/QUOTE]
Didnt the Heat start of strong last year as well, before falling off in Feb?
[QUOTE=dubeta]Thats what they get for running LeBron out of town[/QUOTE]
You delusional peasant.... no one ran LeBron out of town. :lol His agent told him that the Cavs had gotten the first pick of the draft for 3 straight years and that his chances of winning in Cleveland were higher than staying in Miami. His bags were packed that night.
He bailed on Miami like a ring chasing beta instead of doing what much more respected, superior players like MJ, Kobe, and Duncan did which is winning 5+ rings on the same team.
Their record is actually worse than it looks. They've had a lot more home games than road games.
[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]1-9 :( :cry: :( .[/QUOTE]
It's alright bro no need to meltdown :lol
[QUOTE=dubeta]Didnt the Heat start of strong last year as well, before falling off in Feb?[/QUOTE]
Nah, they were under .500 at this point last year and Bosh and Wade had already missed a handful of games. So far this season Bosh has played every game and Wade 25/26.
As for the poster who mentioned the favorable home schedule, they have a pretty brutal stretch next month. Their defense will help them on the road though, as that usually stays pretty consistent. The fact that they've missed 3 key rotation players for several games probably evens things out in terms of their current record.
Just throwing those names out the line up does look great...but this is 2015 and the game revolves around the long ball now. The only good 3pt shooter among those 4 (minus whiteside obviously) is Bosh and he's the damn PF. In a league where getting to the ft line is easier and so prevalent...were bad at that too. This team is just not built to be great in the league the way it is now. If this was sometime between 95-2005 in that defense heavy league we'd be pretty great.
A lot of these guys aren't as good as they should be either. Bosh is getting the max, but he's an EXTREMELY PASSIVE player. His overall impact is there, but he's getting paid superstar money to average 17-18ppg. Dragic is getting 86 million over 5 years to be an average to above average role player which means the guys with the two biggest contracts are players that don't live up to them. Wade is Wade, but he's asked to do too much game to game at this point in his career. Deng is a bit underwhelming, but he's also been ailing...though he's an incredibly erratic shooter and that hurts for a team in desperate need of shooting. Whiteside is Whiteside and we basically pulled him out of our asses so I can't say one bad thing about him. He's a big reason were even 16-10 in the first place.
I have liked what I've seen out of Tyler Johnson and Green has finally started getting going so at least the bench isn't complete shit like it was last season. We really need Tyler Johnson back as he provided a nice offensive spark.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Just throwing those names out that line up looks great...but this is 2015 and the game revolves around the long ball now. The only good 3pt shooter among those 4 (minus whiteside obviously) is Bosh and he's the damn PF. In a league where getting to the ft line is easier and so prevalent...were bad at that too. This team is just not built to be great in the league the way it is now. If this was sometime between 95-2005 in that defense heavy league we'd be pretty great.
A lot of these guys aren't as good as they should be either. Bosh is getting the max, but he's an EXTREMELY PASSIVE player. His overall impact is there, but he's getting paid superstar money to average 17-18ppg. Dragic is getting 86 million over 5 years to be an average to above average role player which means the guys with the two biggest contracts are players that don't live up to them. Wade is Wade, but he's asked to do too much game to game at this point in his career. Deng is a bit underwhelming, but he's also been ailing...though he's an incredibly erratic shooter and that hurts for a team in desperate need of shooting. Whiteside is Whiteside and we basically pulled him out of our asses so I can't say one bad thing about him. He's a big reason were even 16-10 in the first place.
I have liked what I've seen out of Tyler Johnson and Green has finally started getting going, so at least the bench isn't complete shit like it was last season. We really need Tyler Johnson back as he provided a nice offensive spark.[/QUOTE]
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Well said, and that sums things up pretty perfectly. The Heat are a good team but their roster is flawed in terms of today's league. That's one of the main reasons they play at a snail's pace and have the fewest fg attempts in the league. As you said, 10-15 years ago this team would be a legit title contender. Unfortunately in today's game their ceiling is somewhat limited due to their lack of 3 point shooting and style of play.
The Heat choked leads and underperformed so far. Should be around 18-8. Would be a lot better if the head coach was the leagues worst coach. Spo is braindead.
Damn, the Heat are so bad they're only 2.5 games behind LeBron. :-/