MJ was more dominant in 97' & 98' runs than Lebron's 12' & 13

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[COLOR="White"]..........[/COLOR][B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION (%) OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/B]


[size="2"][COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"]......[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url] [SIZE="1"][COLOR="Green"][b]<---- these are links to nba.com data[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]34.2[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]33.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]34.5[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]34.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]30.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]33.3[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]32.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]32.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]30.6[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]36.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]29.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]39.1[/url][/SIZE]




[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM POINTS + ASSISTS WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]64.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]84.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]73.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]91.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]69.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]63.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]72.5[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]62.7[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]67.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]75.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]75.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]75.1[/url]




[B][COLOR="darkRed"][SIZE="2"][I]PROPORTION OF TEAM PTS + AST WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR [COLOR="navy"]MINUS PROPORTION OF TO'S[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="4"][B]CLIFFS[/B]:[/size][/color] [B][COLOR="Navy"][size="3"]OLD Jordan won his [i]last[/i] 2 championships while carrying a bigger load than PRIME Lebron carried while winning his [I]only[/I] 2 championships.[/size][/COLOR][/B]

([I]btw, regarding the stats that subtract turnovers - the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash[/I])
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[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Not even close - old man Jordan destroying prime Lebron[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
agree. against inferior competition.

[QUOTE=AirBonner]

agree. against inferior competition.

[/QUOTE]
Actually, the 1998 Utah Jazz had a 100.3 playoff DRtg.

That's lower than anything Lebron has ever faced in the Finals.. :cheers:

[QUOTE=3ball]Actually, the 1998 Utah Jazz had a 100.3 playoff DRtg.

That's lower than anything Lebron has ever faced in the Finals.. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
again against inferior competition

[QUOTE=AirBonner]again against inferior competition[/QUOTE]

The the 1998 Jazz destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson's 56-win Spurs team in 5 games in WCSF..

Duncan/Popovich were no competition.


:yaohappy:

[QUOTE=AirBonner]

again against inferior competition (even though the 1998 Jazz destroyed Pop/Duncan/Robinson's 56-win Spurs in 5 games during ECSF)

[/QUOTE].
[B][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]Lebron choked and [COLOR="Red"]missed the walk-off attempt[/COLOR] - he needed Ray Allen to save him:[/COLOR][/I][/B]


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[B][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]Otoh Jordan MADE the exact same walk-off attempt in his first meeting against Duncan/Popovich to send the game into OT:[/COLOR][/I][/B]


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[B][COLOR="DarkRed"][I]After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan[/I]:[/COLOR][/B]


[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JI5Cmb2ZUqOOq7m/giphy.gif[/img]



[B][I][COLOR="Navy"]In his 2nd meeting against Duncan, MJ dominated Duncan even more thoroughly:[/COLOR][/I][/B]


[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/TbKAH5Pl5N91S/giphy.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2015/cyFnUr.gif[/IMG]

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[B][COLOR="Navy"]It's obvious that Jordan only DOMINATED Duncan and guys like Duncan - they weren't "[I]rivals[/I]" like they are for Lebron.. :rolleyes:.. 6/6[/COLOR][/B]

Don't really care what you show.
90s were an era of weaker teams.
2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs would sweep the Jazz and all the other teams Jordan faced to be honest.
As for bron vs Jordan. They were playing some of the greatest basketball ever played in the pkayoffs. I'll give the edge to Bron because he had to carry his team a bit more while Joddan had Pippen and weaker competition.

1-9...and you're demented. Nobody cares. That's what you don't seem to realize about every single one of your threads...NOBODY CARES. Only you care about this shit...so write it in your journal and stop making threads here...then the only one who will read it is the only one who cares...you.

:lol

[QUOTE=LAKingKobe]

Don't really care what you show.

90s were an era of weaker teams.
2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs would sweep the Jazz and all the other teams Jordan faced to be honest.

[/quote]
Apparently, you're unaware of what happened in 1998 Playoffs WCSF - the Utah Jazz destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson in 5 games (Pop's Spurs won 56 games that year)..

Duncan/Popovich were no competition for Jordan - he destroyed Pop's Spurs all regular season ([url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12095256&postcount=6]see post #6 above[/url]) and then destroyed the same Jazz team that had crushed them in playoffs.

Btw, that 2012 Thunder team was a bunch of babies that didn't know how to play - every team that Jordan beat in the Finals would've destroyed them.


[QUOTE=LAKingKobe]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Joddan had Pippen played weaker competition.[/COLOR][/B]

[/QUOTE]
The 1998 Jazz had a lower playoff DRtg (100.3) than any team Lebron ever faced in the Finals, and they destroyed Popovich/Duncan/Robinson's Spurs in the 1998 playoffs (4-1).... So....... you're obviously wrong.

Lebron has never destroyed Duncan/Popovich, let alone Robinson too.

And today's era has weak, soft rules - this is common knowledge... Lebron's stats would be worse back then with defenders able to get in his chest and bump him around - his flopping routine would be a joke back then..

Plus he wouldn't have teammates spreading out defenders for him and he'd face crowded paints like everyone else did back then - the crowded paints would force him to pull-up from midrange like everyone else.. But his jumpshot is horrific, literally [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713938&postcount=64]bottom of the league[/url] for most of his career.


[QUOTE=LAKingKobe]

As for bron vs Jordan. [B][COLOR="DarkRed"] I'll give the edge to Bron because he had to carry his team a bit more[/COLOR][/B]

[/QUOTE]

[I][COLOR="Navy"][B]That's factually incorrect - in addition to the OP stats which include assists and turnovers, just look at the scoring - it's not even close:[/B][/COLOR][/I]


[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2009[/B][/I].... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
[I][B]LEBRON 2010[/B][/I].... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2011[/B][/I].... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]14.8[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I].... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I].... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
[I][B]LEBRON 2014[/B][/I].... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
[I][B]LEBRON 2015[/B][/I].... 30.1..... 38.9..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs]35.0[/url]..... 42.4...... 40.0...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]44.5[/url]
.

Are you really comparing that 1997-98 Spurs team to the 2013 version? The 2013 version were much better than that team even though Duncan declined as a player.

Weak competition tho

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]Weak competition tho[/QUOTE]
truth. stats from the 90's can't translate to the present day nba.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Are you really comparing that 1997-98 Spurs team to the 2013 version? The 2013 version were much better than that team even though Duncan declined as a player.
[/COLOR][/B]
[/QUOTE]
Jordan and Utah destroyed Duncan and Popovich - Whereas Lebron GETS destroyed by them.

Do you see the difference?... And Duncan wasn't a shell like he is today playing 25 minutes per game, plus they had prime Robinson.

You think today's Spurs are somehow better despite less talent, while not even considering that the playing environment was completely different altogether back then... Today's Spurs have 3-point shooting and spacing that the 1998 Spurs didn't have - and neither did the Bulls or any other team back then.. The game was played WITHOUT spacing, which makes it a tougher game - everyone knows the game is tougher without spacing.. [i]And MJ's Bulls were the kings OF that tougher game.[/i]

Also, you guys act like Lebron missing that walk-off attempt and needing Ray had something to do with the Spurs - that was just Lebron choking again, while MJ made his walk-off vs. Pop/Duncan, shown in [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12095256&postcount=6]post #6[/url] above) - and obviously, he came through in Finals (6/6).. In 1997 alone, he hit GW in Games 1 and 5 (flu game), and series-winning assist to Kerr in Gm 6 (which spearheaded Kerr's career).
.

[QUOTE=AirBonner]

truth. stats from the 90's can't translate to the present day nba.

[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="black"]If anything, stats from 1998 should be increased when comparing to today, since PPG, pace and league-wide ORtg were all much lower in 1998 than they are today, or 2013..[/COLOR][/B]



[I][COLOR="Navy"][B]In addition to the OP stats which include assists and turnovers, here's just the scoring stats - it's not even close:[/B][/COLOR][/I]


[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR][B]RS[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]RS 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.0[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]40.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]37.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]46.3[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]40.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]50.4[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]36.3[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4]42.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.7[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]48.8[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]43.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]49.1[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2009[/B][/I].... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
[I][B]LEBRON 2010[/B][/I].... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2011[/B][/I].... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]14.8[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I].... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I].... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
[I][B]LEBRON 2014[/B][/I].... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
[I][B]LEBRON 2015[/B][/I].... 30.1..... 38.9..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs]35.0[/url]..... 42.4...... 40.0...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]44.5[/url]
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[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]
.[/QUOTE]
wtf kind of stats are those? literally take nothing into account in order to make a real judgement.

[QUOTE=Nash]wtf kind of stats are those? literally take nothing into account in order to make a real judgement.[/QUOTE]
jfc, what would you like to take into account?... what excuse would you like to make?... If there's something so compelling that I'm missing - speak on it..

Otherwise, the stats speak for themselves - it's basically points + assists - turnovers, as a proportion of the entire team's while the player was on the floor.

[I]the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash.
[/I]
again, the stats speak for themselves - old MJ was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his [I]only[/I] 2.
.

Jordan > Lebron

in other words: water is wet.

Another day, another stupid thread. You miss your meds again bro? You got ridiculed too much in your last "hit" thread so here we are superstar.

And to answer your stupid ass op, no. Too old Mj, too prime Lebron. I remember what you were saying around that time trainwreck. Those were the years lebron broke you.

Lebron>Jordan.

Might have been.

MJ was a pretty good player in '97 and '98.

I might even take his career over Lebron's, too.

I wonder how many games that 98 Bulls team wins if Pippen doesn't miss 35 games. Hell if he only missed 17-18 games, and they broke even in those games, they're sitting on 70 wins again.

Who was even saying LeBron was better than Jordan in those years? 3Ball making up debates that never even existed.

[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]I wonder how many games that 98 Bulls team wins if Pippen doesn't miss 35 games. Hell if he only missed 17-18 games, and they broke even in those games, they're sitting on 70 wins again.[/QUOTE]


True, they went 36-8 when he played, and only 26-12 in the games he missed, but as we have learned, he was just a worthless scrub.

The 97 or 98 Jazz would absolutely MURDER any team in the NBA of the last few years not named Golden State!

Check out the beat down they gave in consecutive years to the Lakers in 97 and 98, a team with 4 ALL STARS with young Shaq, Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Kobe, Campbell, Fox, Horry, Fisher etc... That teams was more talented than anything LeBron faced in the Finals! And they did it with Malone, Stockton and Hornacek in their mid 30's!

Hell the 1998 Lakers would sweep the 2012 Thunder without much contest!

[QUOTE=AirBonner]

stats from 90's can't translate today

[/QUOTE]
[I][COLOR="DarkRed"]If anything, stats from 1998 should be increased when comparing to today, since PPG, pace and league-wide ORtg were all much lower in 1998 than they are today, or 2013..[/COLOR][/I]

1-9

[QUOTE=Lebron23]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Are you really comparing that 1997-98 Spurs team to the 2013 version? The 2013 version were much better than that team even though Duncan declined as a player.
[/COLOR][/B]
[/QUOTE]
Jordan and Utah destroyed Duncan and Popovich - Whereas Lebron GETS destroyed by them.

Do you see the difference?... And Duncan wasn't a shell like he is today playing 25 minutes per game - he played 40 minutes per game, plus they had prime Robinson.

You think today's Spurs are somehow better despite less talent, while not even considering that the playing environment was completely different altogether back then... Today's Spurs have 3-point shooting and spacing that the 1998 Spurs didn't have - and neither did the Bulls or any other team back then.

The game was played WITHOUT spacing, which makes it a tougher game - everyone knows the game is tougher without spacing.. And MJ's Bulls were the kings OF that tougher game - they were kings of basketball when players didn't space the floor with 3-point shooting.. [i]Put today's Duncan back in 1998 environment where teammates didn't space the floor and it was more physical, and he'd have retired at 35 years old - today's spacing and softer environment has prolonged his career.[/i]

Also, you guys act like Lebron missing that walk-off attempt and needing Ray had something to do with the Spurs - that was just Lebron choking again, while MJ made his walk-off vs. Pop/Duncan and thoroughly dominated them, as shown in [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12095256&postcount=6]post #6[/url] - and obviously, he came through in Finals (6/6).. In 1997, he hit GW in Games 1 and 5 (flu game), and series-winning assist to Kerr in Gm 6 (which spearheaded Kerr's career).

[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]


([I]btw, the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash[/I])
.[/QUOTE]

What does "percentage of team assists" have to do with anything? If a team doesn't get many assists that will unreasonably raise the value of somebody's assists in this useless stat of yours.

Also, are you using turnovers in that formula or "percentage of team's turnovers"? If just turnovers then your whole formula is unbalanced.

Show us your formula.




Anyway, these are the stats:

[B]MJ over second three peat:[/B] 6.0 reb, 4.1 assists, 31.4 points on .56 TS%

[B]Lebron in the playoffs in Miami:[/B] 8.36 rebounds 6.4 assists, 26.9 points on .595 TS%

nobody cares about these 2 tired old shitbags.

curry >>>>> jordan = lebron = kobe = old

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]

What does "percentage of team assists" have to do with anything? [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]If a team doesn't get many assists that will unreasonably raise the value of somebody's assists[/COLOR][/B] in this useless stat of yours.

[/quote]
I'm deducing that you weren't good at math in school.

A player's percentage or PROPORTION of his team's assists shows the assist load he carries on that team - Jordan's proportion (or load) of points + assists was higher, when you account for turnovers (subtract his proportion of turnovers).


[QUOTE=tmacattack33]

Also, are you using turnovers in that formula or "percentage of team's turnovers"? [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]If just turnovers then your whole formula is unbalanced.

Show us your formula. [/COLOR][/B]

[/QUOTE]
The math works out correctly.

For instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash... The assists cancel out the TO's.


[QUOTE]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Anyway, these are the stats:[/COLOR][/B]

[B]MJ over second three peat:[/B] 6.0 reb, 4.1 assists, 31.4 points on .56 TS%

[B]Lebron in the playoffs in Miami:[/B] 8.36 rebounds 6.4 assists, 26.9 points on .595 TS%

[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Blue"]^^^^^ I like how you put the scoring last... :oldlol: ... But those stats are raw numbers and don't reflect each player's respective proportion of team points, assists and turnovers (their offensive load).

Said another way, here's each player's proportion of their team's points + assists, after accounting for turnovers - these are the only numbers that matter when evaluating who carried the bigger offensive load:[/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]

[QUOTE=3ball]I'm deducing that you weren't good at math in school.

A player's percentage or PROPORTION of his team's assists shows the assist load he carries on that team - Jordan's proportion (or load) of points + assists was higher, when you account for turnovers (subtract his proportion of turnovers).



The math works out correctly.

For instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash... The assists cancel out the TO's.



[B][COLOR="Blue"]^^^^^ I like how you put the scoring last... :oldlol: ... But those stats are raw numbers and don't reflect each player's respective proportion of team points, assists and turnovers (their offensive load).

Said another way, here's each player's proportion of their team's points + assists, after accounting for turnovers - these are the only numbers that matter when evaluating who carried the bigger offensive load:[/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url][/QUOTE]
Show us the stats of your thread posting that doesn't involve Jordan

[QUOTE=3ball]I'm deducing that you weren't good at math in school.

A player's percentage or PROPORTION of his team's assists shows the assist load he carries on that team - Jordan's proportion (or load) of points + assists was higher, when you account for turnovers (subtract his proportion of turnovers).



The math works out correctly.

For instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash... The assists cancel out the TO's.



[B][COLOR="Blue"]^^^^^ I like how you put the scoring last... :oldlol: ... But those stats are raw numbers and don't reflect each player's respective proportion of team points, assists and turnovers (their offensive load).

Said another way, here's each player's proportion of their team's points + assists, after accounting for turnovers - these are the only numbers that matter when evaluating who carried the bigger offensive load:[/COLOR][/B]


[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url][/QUOTE]

Who cares about "load".

Player A: 10 assists, 2 turnovers
Player B: 4 assists, 2 turnovers

Obviously Player A wins.



If Player A's team passes more and turns the ball over less than Player B's though, then your formula will look like:

[B]Player A:[/B] 10 out of 30 team assists (.3) and 2 out of 10 team turnovers (.2)

[B]Player B:[/B] 4 assists out of 20 team assists (.2) and 2 out of 20 team turnovers (.1)

And Player B will win in terms of your BS stat.


GTFO.

[QUOTE=3ball]
The math works out correctly.

For instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash... The assists cancel out the TO's.


[/QUOTE]


No. Teams usually get about 65% more assists than turnovers though. They usually get 25 assists and 15 turnovers. Which will make a turnover worth more than an assist in your BS stat.




Detailed Explanation using your Lebron 1 assist and 1 turnover example:

Lebron's 1 assist will likely be 1 out of 25 team assists, which goes into your BS stat as [B].04[/B] (1/25).

Lebron's 1 turnover will likely be 1 out of 15 team turnovers, which goes into your BS stat as [B].0667 [/B] (1/15).

So, in your stat, this is [B].04 - .0667[/B] and Lebron comes out with a negative number ([B].027[/B] to be exact), not 0. So this is NOT a wash. Which is why your stat is BS.

GTFO.

[QUOTE=tmacattack33]Who cares about "load".

Player A: 10 assists, 2 turnovers
Player B: 4 assists, 2 turnovers

Obviously Player A wins.



If Player A's team passes more and turns the ball over less than Player B's though, then your formula will look like:

[B]Player A:[/B] 10 out of 30 team assists (.3) and 2 out of 10 team turnovers (.2)

[B]Player B:[/B] 4 assists out of 20 team assists (.2) and 2 out of 20 team turnovers (.1)

And Player B will win in terms of your BS stat.


GTFO.[/QUOTE]
It is sad that the OP has to twist stats to make Jordan look good, when Jordan didn't ever need somebody to manipulate his stats to make him look good.

The only thing MJ has ever dominated anyone in is shoe sales

[QUOTE=Yoshi]It is sad that the OP has to twist stats to make Jordan look good, when Jordan didn't ever need somebody to manipulate his stats to make him look good.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Most everyone here has MJ in their Top-3, and most at #1. Very few, if any, have LeBron ranked over him.

Yet, it's one daily topic after another comparing the two.

But it is getting even worse now. He has added Shaq, and Curry, and probably other's into these comparisons, and for the life of me, I don't know why.

Might as well start topics like it is better to be rich, than poor; healthy than sick; attractive than ugly; etc, etc.

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[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][I]Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor[/I][/SIZE][/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"]........................[/COLOR] [B]PO[/B][COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR][B]PO 4th[/B][COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR][B]Finals[/B][COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] [B]Finals 4th[/B]


[I][B]JORDAN 1997[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs]40.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]51.2[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]53.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]48.2[/url]
[I][B]JORDAN 1998[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.8[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]52.0[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]41.1[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4]52.4[/url]

[I][B]LEBRON 2012[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs]39.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]31.6[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]39.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]34.1[/url]
[I][B]LEBRON 2013[/B][/I]... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs]38.1[/url]..... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4]45.7[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4]51.9[/url]...... [url=http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4]46.5[/url]



[COLOR="Red"][I][SIZE="3"]Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2[/SIZE][/I][/COLOR]


([I]btw, the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash[/I])

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[I][COLOR="Navy"]I'd like someone to explain how these STATISTICS........... are twisted.[/COLOR][/I]

[QUOTE=3ball][I][COLOR="Navy"]I'd like someone to explain how these STATISTICS........... are twisted.[/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]

I already did.

They inexplicably make turnovers worth more than assists.

And also inexplicably penalize a player if the rest of his team gets a lot of assists or a low amount of turnovers.

3ball just stop man. You are embarrassing yourself.