would you say this is the greatest robbery for an individual award of all time?
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would you say this is the greatest robbery for an individual award of all time?
You know that there are writers who intentionally vote against unanimous MVPs on purpose, right?
Only if he doesn't win MVP.
Shaq 2000 and lebron 2013 didn't happen so don't hold your breath.
Peak Shaquille O'Neal wasn't unanimous, therefore: no.
[QUOTE=TheMilkyBarKid]Shaq 2000 and lebron 2013 didn't happen so don't hold your breath.[/QUOTE]
Curry this year is more dominant than those 2.
[QUOTE=Kawhi]Peak Shaquille O'Neal wasn't unanimous, therefore: no.[/QUOTE]
16 Curry > 00 Shaq
[QUOTE=Derka]You know that there are writers who intentionally vote against unanimous MVPs on purpose, right?[/QUOTE]
This. It makes them feel relevant by doing this.
[QUOTE=riseagainst]Curry this year is more dominant than those 2.[/QUOTE]
Please... peak Shaq is probably the greatest player ever.
Nash winning 2 MVPs ahead of Prime Kobe and MDE Shaq are the two biggest robberies in NBA history.
[QUOTE=Kawhi]Please... peak Shaq is probably the greatest player ever.[/QUOTE]
you are wrong. 16 Curry is the greatest ever, and you can argue he will get even better next year.
[QUOTE=Kawhi]Please... peak Shaq is probably the greatest player ever.[/QUOTE]
MDE Shaq and Curry are at the same level of unstoppableness IMO.
And I am a massive Laker and Shaq fan saying that.
If Curry wins a title this year, he is also worthy of adapting the MDE acronym.
Curry is virtually unguardable and unstoppable in single coverage and if you throw a double at him he will easily pass out of it, or even dribble through it with his elite handles and quickness.
[QUOTE=riseagainst]you are wrong. 16 Curry is the greatest ever, and you can argue he will get even better next year.[/QUOTE]
2000 Shaquille O'Neal in RS: 30/14/4 and 3 blocks
2000 Shaquille O'Neal in PO: 31/15/3 and 2 blocks
2000 Shaquille O'Neal in Finals: 38/17/2 and 3 blocks
Yeah.... no.
Lets just wait and see if Curry can actually up his averages, like Shaq did.
some cuck is gonna vote for Lebron
I can feel it
who cares as long as he wins it??
cp3 deserves a few votes....clippers should not be a top 4 seed without blake
westbrook/kd...you know one of them gone finish in the top 5 of mvp votes
LeBron is self explanatory
lowry/derozan no one had the raptors being this good
draymond deserves a vote or two
I think that's it
[QUOTE=Kawhi]Lets just wait and see if Curry can actually up his averages, like Shaq did.[/QUOTE]
why would the playoffs affect the MVP votes?
:biggums:
[QUOTE=Derka]You know that there are writers who intentionally vote against unanimous MVPs on purpose, right?[/QUOTE]
And they all hope they aren't the only one and look like fools the couple times there were only solo defectors.
[QUOTE=riseagainst]why would the playoffs affect the MVP votes?
:biggums:[/QUOTE]
It was a reaction to your post saying ''16 Curry > 00 O'Neal''.
[QUOTE=riseagainst]16 Curry > 00 Shaq[/QUOTE]
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Does Windhorst get an MVP vote? If so you can chalk one up for Bron
[QUOTE=Riks]And they all hope they aren't the only one and look like fools the couple times there were only solo defectors.[/QUOTE]
Lebron James in 2013 missed it by one vote and the one voter was, of course, a Boston writer...I think it was Washburn at the Globe (a shitty paper regardless). He gave Carmelo his first place vote, I think.
He called into the Sports Hub with Felger and Mazz after it happened; I remember listening to the interview during my commute home that night. They gave him shit for voting just to be a spoiler. There were honest to God Boston Celtics fans calling in to say "Dude are you kidding? You make us all look like assholes doing this." Sure there were Boston-area fans who are strict Lebron haters who thought it was hilarious, but most of them are idiots.
Point is this: all Washburn said in his own defense was "I voted for who I thought was most valuable to his team this year." He gave not one single f*ck that he was the only guy who voted against Lebron, could not have cared less that he was That Guy everyone was mocking, and still has his job today.
So when it happens again this year, don't be shocked if some Cleveland beat writer who follows the Cavs does the same thing.
Why do people keep on bringing up 2013 LeBald in these discussions when Durant was clear cut the better player with the better season? :lol
The only robbery was the fact that Durant didnt win
[QUOTE=G0ATbe]Why do people keep on bringing up 2013 LeBald in these discussions when Durant was clear cut the better player with the better season? :lol
The only robbery was the fact that Durant didnt win[/QUOTE]
Because this isn't a discussion about who was the more deserving MVP that year. Its a discussion about why Steph Curry probably won't be unanimously voted in even if he is the clear-cut MVP.
[QUOTE=riseagainst]16 Curry > 00 Shaq[/QUOTE]
I'm a Shaq fan so I might be biased, but Curry is not better than 00 Shaq. Teams had like 4 throw away centers, just to stop him and he still was so hard to stopped.
Of course Curry is unstoppable right now and he's on that Shaq, Jordan level so far, but he needs to prolong that into the post season. The most dominant seasons so far have been those MVP sweep seasons or Hakeem's MVP/MVP/DPOY season and some more.
Just think about '14 Durant. He was unreal and basically did what Curry did so far this season at the same point, BUT the stinker - for his standards - in the playoffs killed any MDE style season talk.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]MDE Shaq and Curry are at the same level of unstoppableness IMO.
And I am a massive Laker and Shaq fan saying that.
If Curry wins a title this year, he is also worthy of adapting the MDE acronym.
Curry is virtually unguardable and unstoppable in single coverage and if you throw a double at him he will easily pass out of it, or even dribble through it with his elite handles and quickness.[/QUOTE]
Quit being a prisoner of the moment, I like you as a poster but Curry isn't unguardable, if he was he wouldn't of got defended so well in the finals and lost out on a finals mvp. Prime Kobe and Prime Jordan are the only unguardable players ever. Where there is no player that can contain them and the opposing coach has to scheme a whole damn team to stop them. Shaq was the most dominant in the sense that he physically imposed his prowess and no one could do anything about it. He and Wilt make that tier.
[QUOTE=Overdrive]I'm a Shaq fan so I might be biased, but Curry is not better than 00 Shaq. Teams had like 4 throw away centers, just to stop him and he still was so hard to stopped.
Of course Curry is unstoppable right now and he's on that Shaq, Jordan level so far, but he needs to prolong that into the post season. The most dominant seasons so far have been those MVP sweep seasons or Hakeem's MVP/MVP/DPOY season and some more.
Just think about '14 Durant. He was unreal and basically did what Curry did so far this season at the same point, BUT the stinker - for his standards - in the playoffs killed any MDE style season talk.[/QUOTE]
Once you get into defense that is what truly separates them...00 was Shaqs best defensive year...he was 2nd in DPOY to Zo that season. Curry's impact defensively doesn't even sniff Shaqs in 2000. The overall impact goes to Shaq pretty easily because of this.
[QUOTE=G0ATbe]Why do people keep on bringing up 2013 LeBald in these discussions when Durant was clear cut the better player with the better season? :lol
The only robbery was the fact that Durant didnt win[/QUOTE]
Why do YOU keep bringing it up?
[QUOTE=Overdrive]I'm a Shaq fan so I might be biased, but Curry is not better than 00 Shaq. Teams had like 4 throw away centers, just to stop him and he still was so hard to stopped.
Of course Curry is unstoppable right now and he's on that Shaq, Jordan level so far, but he needs to prolong that into the post season. The most dominant seasons so far have been those MVP sweep seasons or Hakeem's MVP/MVP/DPOY season and some more.
Just think about '14 Durant. He was unreal and basically did what Curry did so far this season at the same point, BUT the stinker - for his standards - in the playoffs killed any MDE style season talk.[/QUOTE]
'14 Durant doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as '00 Shaq and '16 Curry.
Shaq's defense wasn't great in 2000. Good man post defense but mediocre help defense and poor in the pick and roll. DPOY votes are bullshit as we saw DeAndre Jordan get tons of votes last year when Leonard and Green were way way better candidates.
[QUOTE=warriorfan]'14 Durant doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as '00 Shaq and '16 Curry.
[B]Shaq's defense wasn't great in 2000. Good man post defense but mediocre help defense and poor in the pick and roll.[/B] DPOY votes are bullshit as we saw DeAndre Jordan get tons of votes last year when Leonard and Green were way way better candidates.[/QUOTE]
If you truly believe that then you know less about basketball than I already imagined...idiot. Only a moron would call his help/weakside defense mediocre that season...a moron and someone who is a goddamn teenager and didnt' even watch the 2000 lakers ie you.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Once you get into defense that is what truly separates them...00 was Shaqs best defensive year...he was 2nd in DPOY to Zo that season. Curry's impact defensively doesn't even sniff Shaqs in 2000. The overall impact goes to Shaq pretty easily because of this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but I think in the context of the team and getting an unanimous MVP defense is neglectable, if the team defense overall is good enough. As a player singled out it is of course important.
[QUOTE=warriorfan]'14 Durant doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as '00 Shaq and '16 Curry.
Shaq's defense wasn't great in 2000. Good man post defense but mediocre help defense and poor in the pick and roll. DPOY votes are bullshit as we saw DeAndre Jordan get tons of votes last year when Leonard and Green were way way better candidates.[/QUOTE]
Until March '14 alot of those stans who are now on Curry's dick were on Durant's. The playoffs killed off the hype, but it was there.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]If you truly believe that then you know less about basketball than I already imagined...idiot. Only a moron would call his help/weakside defense mediocre that season...a moron and someone who is a goddamn teenager and didnt' even watch the 2000 lakers ie you.[/QUOTE]
why are you attacking him? Especially when you show in the same post that you haven't seen shit from that season?
His defense was better in the playoffs, but he was very mediocre on D in the regular season, not top 2 DPOY level, more like top 15