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Curry got KD, the 2nd in the league in PER to join HIS team
Lebron got pimped by Wade(2nd in the league in PER) to join his team with Bosh (4th in the league in PER)
That would be like Curry leaving his home team to JOIN Kevin Durant and Westbrook (the 2nd and 4th in PER)
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[I]So OP, answer me this.
If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?[/I]
Using PER as the sole argument:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
The Warriors have 4 All-NBA players from last season & the 2015 FMVP
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][I]So OP, answer me this.
If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?[/I][/QUOTE]
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OP slayed again :roll:
warriorfan is officially the punchbag of ISH
PER :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][I]So OP, answer me this.
If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?[/I][/QUOTE]
Turned deflated in the third post. :lol
I'll say it again, in 2010 Bosh missed the playoffs in the East and didn't even make the All-NBA 3rd team, who gives a fucc what his PER was :lol
[QUOTE=warriorfan]That would be like Curry leaving his home team to JOIN Kevin Durant and Westbrook (the 2nd and 4th in PER)[/QUOTE]
current warriors team is better than this hypothetical squad :facepalm
good job proving everyone's point :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay][I]So OP, answer me this.
If Warriors had Boban Marjanovic (3rd in PER) instead of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, would you call them even more stacked?[/I][/QUOTE]
No, because you do not understand how PER works
Per is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes
If you look at both graphics, [b]Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg)[/b] than all the other players
Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load
All of the other readings are accurate however
[QUOTE=red1]current warriors team is better than this hypothetical squad :facepalm
good job proving everyone's point :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
You saying GS minus Curry is better than OKC with Durant and Westbrook?
:facepalm
[QUOTE=warriorfan]No, because you do not understand how PER works
Per is not accurate when measuring players with far less minutes
If you look at both graphics, [b]Boban has 3 times as less minutes (9 mpg)[/b] than all the other players
Boban's PER is not accurate to his actual value because of his minuscule minute load
All of the other readings are accurate however[/QUOTE]
So Bosh was the 4th best player? LeBron is the 1st or 2nd best player in nba history? thats accurate lol?
[QUOTE=Doctor K]So Bosh was the 4th best player? LeBron is the 1st or 2nd best player in nba history? thats accurate lol?[/QUOTE]
PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...
Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron
24/11/2.5/1/1/ on [COLOR="Green"]52% FG, 59% TS[/COLOR] plus good defense
Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender
Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league
[I]You have to atleast make the all-NBA team to be a Top 5 player in the league[/I]
Bosh was the 15-20th best player in 2010
[QUOTE=warriorfan]PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...
Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron
24/11/2.5/1/1/ on [COLOR="Green"]52% FG, 59% TS[/COLOR] plus good defense
Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender
Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league[/QUOTE]
How many playoff wins did Bosh have before the Heat?
KD is a player who led the Thunder to the finals, and is now jumping ship to join a 73 win team. It doesn't get more pathetic than that.
[QUOTE=warriorfan]PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...
Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron
24/11/2.5/1/1/ on [COLOR="Green"]52% FG, 59% TS[/COLOR] plus good defense
Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender
Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league[/QUOTE]
He gets criminally overrated if anything. 3 playoff wins & 1 All-NBA selection in 7 seasons and you have the gall to call him a top 5 player in the league :biggums:
[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]How many playoff wins did Bosh have before the Heat?
KD is a player who led the Thunder to the finals, and is now jumping ship to join a 73 win team. It doesn't get more pathetic than that.[/QUOTE]
Raptors bro....raptors
We talking about Andrea Bargnani, JOse Calderon, and Hedo Turkgolu
Makes sense a LeBron stan would try to use that to discredit Bosh who how I described before was easily one of the best players in the league
Worst part is you flip around and talk about KD leading a team to the finals supposedly, completely disregarding Russell Westbrook
Imagine if Toronto Chris Bosh played with Westbrook, especially in the weak east
Your basketball knowledge is seriously embarrassing, do us all a favor and stop posting
[QUOTE=warriorfan]You saying GS minus Curry is better than OKC with Durant and Westbrook?
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
obviously not. I am saying that 2016 warriors with kd is considerably better than 2016 okc plus curry
as in kd is joining an ALREADY stacked team
[QUOTE=warriorfan]PER is pretty accurate, most of the years when LeBron lead the league in PER he was the best player in the league...
Bosh was a top 5 player in the league in 2010 before he colluded with LeBron
24/11/2.5/1/1/ on [COLOR="Green"]52% FG, 59% TS[/COLOR] plus good defense
Elite scoring on amazing efficiency, elite rebounder, athletic defender
Toronto Chris Bosh gets criminally underrated around here, he was one of the best players in the league[/QUOTE]
Bosh was absolutely not a top 5 player in the league in 2010..
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Raptors bro....raptors
We talking about Andrea Bargnani, JOse Calderon, and Hedo Turkgolu
Makes sense a LeBron stan would try to use that to discredit Bosh who how I described before was easily one of the best players in the league
Worst part is you flip around and talk about KD leading a team to the finals supposedly, completely disregarding Russell Westbrook
Imagine if Toronto Chris Bosh played with Westbrook, especially in the weak east
Your basketball knowledge is seriously embarrassing, do us all a favor and stop posting[/QUOTE]
It's funny how you talk about the East being so weak and yet he could only scrape 3 playoff wins in an embarrassing conference? you have to pick one. If Bosh was top 5, he would at least won a few more games as the leader of his team. Plus, he shot under 40% FG as the star player on his team in 2007... That's top 5? :biggums:
[QUOTE=red1]obviously not. I am saying that 2016 warriors with kd is considerably better than 2016 okc plus curry
as in kd is joining an ALREADY stacked team[/QUOTE]
What LeBron did was worse
LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest in PER (Wade and Bosh)
That would be like Curry joining Durant(2nd) [b]and[/b] Westbrook(4th)!
[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]It's funny how you talk about the East being so weak and yet he could only scrape 3 playoff wins in an embarrassing conference? you have to pick one. If Bosh was top 5, he would at least won a few more games as the leader of his team. Plus, he shot under 40% FG as the star player on his team in 2007... That's top 5? :biggums:[/QUOTE]
Why are you bringing up 2007?
I was saying Chris Bosh was a top player in 2010, never said anything about 2007...
You not only don't know jack about ball but now you are doing embarrassing straw man shenanigans
just stop posting :facepalm
[QUOTE=warriorfan]What LeBron did was worse
LeBron joined the 2nd AND 4th highest in PER (Wade and Bosh)
That would be like Curry joining Durant(2nd) [b]and[/b] Westbrook(4th)![/QUOTE]
Wrong. He may have done it in a more diva way what with the tv special and all but even that wasn't all bad considering it raised 2.5 million for charity. In terms of stacking the deck which is what you're referring to - it absolutely is worse than 2010. The current warriors are literally a 73-9 team that won a championship not more than a season ago.
Durant literally ran to the rival that just knocked him out of the conference finals after going up 3-1 on them. The kicker: the fact that the thunder would have won if he didn't play like such a bitch!! Not a good year for kd IMO.
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Why are you bringing up 2007?
I was saying Chris Bosh was a top player in 2010, never said anything about 2007...
You not only don't know jack about ball but now you are doing embarrassing straw man shenanigans
just stop posting :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Because we were talking about only winning 3 games in the playoffs. Hell, not making the playoffs in the "Weak east" you talk about is even more embarrassing.
Either way, nothing you say is really relevant anyway. There is simply nothing more cowardly than a superstar in his prime joining a 73 win team who just went to back to back finals, especially after getting bounced by said team. It's simply known as the most beta move in NBA history. Nothing you say about the big 3 heat will change that.
[QUOTE=red1]Wrong. He may have done it in a more diva way what with the tv special and all but even that wasn't all bad considering it raised 2.5 million for charity. In terms of stacking the deck which is what you're referring to - it absolutely is worse than 2010. The current warriors are literally a 73-9 team that won a championship not more than a season ago.
Durant literally ran to the rival that just knocked him out of the conference finals after going up 3-1 on them. The kicker: the fact that the thunder would have won if he didn't play like such a bitch!! Not a good year for kd IMO.[/QUOTE]
It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself [i]instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did[/i]
Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join [i]him[/i]
LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)
That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)
[QUOTE=warriorfan]It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself [i]instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did[/i]
Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join [i]him[/i]
LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)
That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)[/QUOTE]
So you seriously think Bosh was better than Kobe in 2010?
[QUOTE=warriorfan]It's not Curry's fault that he stayed with his home team and built a 73-9 team around himself [i]instead of choosing short cuts and leaving for other teams like LeBron did[/i]
Curry did what LeBron could never do, he brought a championship to his hometown with out leaving, built a dynasty the right way, and then pimped the 2nd best player to join [i]him[/i]
LeBron was the best player in the league but took the shortcut, jumped ship from his home team, and joined up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league (Wade and Bosh)
That would be like Curry leaving his home team and joining OKC (joining up with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook)[/QUOTE]
No one is blaming curry you dimwit. People are saying that kd is a bitch and they are absolutely right. To be honest curry actually played like a bitch in the finals too.
LeBron joined a 48 win team. How many wins did the Warriors have last season?
[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]Because we were talking about only winning 3 games in the playoffs. Hell, not making the playoffs in the "Weak east" you talk about is even more embarrassing.
Either way, nothing you say is really relevant anyway. There is simply nothing more cowardly than a superstar in his prime joining a 73 win team who just went to back to back finals, especially after getting bounced by said team. It's simply known as the most beta move in NBA history. Nothing you say about the big 3 heat will change that.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry that Chris Bosh didn't win enough playoff games with Jose Calderon and Andre Bargnani for your standards...
You are probably one of those asshole trolls who thinks Jordan wasn't a great player when he had early playoff struggles when he was on shitty teams as well
Chris Bosh scored 24 points per 36 minutes on 52 percent FG, 59% TS, that is elite scoring with elite efficiency
Elite rebounding at 11 boards per game
Great spacing the floor with a fantastic jumper
Athletic defender
Chris Bosh was an elite player in the league in 2010, stop trying to use his poor Toronto team against him
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]So you seriously think Bosh was better than Kobe in 2010?[/QUOTE]
According to PER, kobe was the 15th best player in the league... david lee was ahead of him...
[QUOTE=warriorfan]I'm sorry that Chris Bosh didn't win enough playoff games with Jose Calderon and Andre Bargnani for your standards...
You are probably one of those asshole trolls who thinks Jordan wasn't a great player when he had early playoff struggles when he was on shitty teams as well
Chris Bosh scored 24 points per 36 minutes on 52 percent FG, 59% TS, that is elite scoring with elite efficiency
Elite rebounding at 11 boards per game
Great spacing the floor with a fantastic jumper
Athletic defender
Chris Bosh was an elite player in the league in 2010, stop trying to use his poor Toronto team against him[/QUOTE]
He was a great player, I never denied that. But he wasn't top 5 and using PER only would be saying that Kobe wasn't a top 5 player in 2010, despite winning a ring. It just shows how many holes there are in your argument. PER would have Kobe at 14th
But LeBron and Bosh were going to a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs in the East. KD is going to a team that just won 73 games in the West. It's not even remotely comparable. what KD did is worse and really only Warrior fans disagree with it at this point.
Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
His not giving a damn attitude was to the extreme where he would take every last second shot, every tough shot when the shot clock was coming down, it has been coined as the "mamba mentality"
He would be the one to bail the Lakers out of the tough situations, always
This would lower his FG percentages and hurt his advanced stats
Now adays most players wont even chuck up a shot at the end of the Quarter because they are too scared to preserve their FG stats, so much that they would rather preserve their stats over helping their team winning
[i]kobe was the opposite, he sacrificed his stats for winning[/i]
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
[/i][/QUOTE]
:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense
[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]:roll: so your argument only works when its in your favor
GTFO with that childish nonsense[/QUOTE]
No, you are being unreasonable
You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field
Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own
The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained
I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study
Boban 3rd highest PER.
:bowdown:
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Kobe can't be accurately reflected by PER because he was such a unique player
[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)
Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Boban 3rd highest PER.
:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Please refer to my post on page 1 explaining the inaccuracies of PER when used on players with drastically lower minutes
[QUOTE=warriorfan]No, you are being unreasonable
You are picking extreme circumstances (Kobe Bryant) and trying to apply it to the entire field
Kobe is Kobe, he has a unique playstyle that is one of his own
The only two examples you guys have presented in trying to sandbag the accuracy of PER is Boban and Kobe, which have both been thoroughly explained
I suggest you do some research on outliers in relation to statistical results and analysis and how it effects (or not effects I should say) the overall accuracy of the study[/QUOTE]
You are picking unreasonable circumstance too like only using PER to try to act like LeBron/Wade/Bosh is worse than an MVP joining a 73 win team who just defeated him. PER isn't the end all. It would put Wilt as the GOAT, and everyone knows MJ is.
The vast majority of the world sees it as the most cowardly move a superstar could make and you're just trying to use mental gymnastics to try and diminish it, the same way you've been trying to diminish Curry's supporting cast. No matter which way you slice it, LeBron/Bosh joining a first round exit team will never be seen in the same vain as KD joining a 73 win team who just won a championship after getting knocked out by them. There are clear differences here and they are really not even worth a comparison.
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]:roll: :roll: :roll:
Warriorfan exposes himself as a dumbass (not that he hasnt earlier)
Kobe can't be reflecte cause of PER, but Bosh is accurately reflected by PER even though he got his stats at the expense of team success??[/QUOTE]
It does not work like that
Kobe's style of play lowers his PER compared to the rest of the players of the league (Kobe plays unlike any player in the league)
Bosh's style of play is more in line with the rest of the players in the league
Kobe is the outlier, not Bosh
Hell, just look at the all NBA selections. Bosh wasn't all NBA in 2009-10. Curry, Green and Thompson are All-NBA and KD just joined that :roll: