We all know who the top 10 are, and we know who's 12th...who's 11th?

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. LeBron James

Then in no order:

Russell, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Hakeem

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11. ?
12. Kobe


Who's 11th?

Moses? KG? West? Robertson? Mikan?

Who?

I feel the "consensus" is probably the Big O, but it's very open to interpretation around that 11-15 tier IMO.

Dr. J is definitely above K12

[QUOTE=ScalsFan21]I feel the "consensus" is probably the Big O, but it's very open to interpretation around that 11..13-15 tier IMO.[/QUOTE]

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11. Oscar Robertson
12. Kobe/Moses
13. Moses/Kobe

12 & 13 have an argument over the other. It's pretty much a toss up at this point.

I would say, after the top 10, it goes:

11a Jerry West
11b Oscar Robertson
11c Dr J
11d Moses Malone
11e David Robinson
11f John Stockton
11g Dirk Nowitzki
11h Kevin Garnett

12 Kobe Bryant
13 Scottie Pippen
14 Rick Barry

All trolling aside it's Hakeem.

10) Kobe
11) Hakeem
13) Oscar

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]I would say, after the top 10, it goes:

11a Jerry West
11b Oscar Robertson
11c Dr J
11d Moses Malone
11e David Robinson
[B]11f John Stockton[/B]
11g Dirk Nowitzki
11h Kevin Garnett

12 Kobe Bryant
[B]13 Scottie Pippen[/B]
14 Rick Barry[/QUOTE]

:wtf:

I respect the hell out of both those guys, but c'mon. You can't really be in the coversation for top 15 without at least one MVP or FMVP.

I know it's mostly trolling, but I don't understand the hate for Kobe lately. There aren't 10 players with a better overall resume than Kobe. 5 titles, 2 FMVP's, MVP, 18x all-star, 15x all-NBA, 12x all-defense (some undeserved, but still), and 2x scoring champion. That's pretty insane.

I have Kobe and Hakeem in a virtual deadlock for 10th. Hakeem had a better peak and more impressive championship runs. Kobe has a better resume and better longevity.

[QUOTE=Bankaii]All trolling aside it's Hakeem.

10) Kobe
11) Hakeem
13) Oscar[/QUOTE]

There's no way in hell Kobe is above Hakeem based on basketball ability. That's asinine and few people would agree with you.

I have West, Oscar, Wade, and Barry all ahead of Kobe.

Kobe's somewhere in the high teens to mid 20's

[QUOTE=KiiiiNG]I have West, Oscar, Wade, and Barry all ahead of Kobe.

Kobe's somewhere in the high teens to mid 20's[/QUOTE]

I think he's around 15 if it's purely basketball abilities. He's around 12-13 if you want to bump him up due to longevity or the narrative that surrounds him. "Mamba" and all.

Either way, he's dropping significantly as people begin to grasp how inefficient and relatively ineffective he was as a basketball player, as a further emphasis on stats takes place.

[QUOTE=KiiiiNG]I have West, Oscar, Wade, and Barry all ahead of Kobe.
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That's because you're retard and nobody can help you with that

[QUOTE=K.dot ShowTime]That's because you're retard and nobody can help you with that[/QUOTE]

Tbf a retard is someone who has Kobe anywhere near the top 10:lol

[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]There's no way in hell Kobe is above Hakeem based on basketball ability. That's asinine and few people would agree with you.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your first sentence. Hakeem is clearly the better player.
But GOAT list include things like accolades, longevity, rings, etc. and in that case Kobe has the better resume imo.

And most lists have Kobe higher than 10, so I'm not sure what you mean by the end of your post.

Look I'm all for trolling every now and then, and I'm not the biggest Kobe guy, but your hate for him is kinda scary.

I guarantee the remaining living 50 greatest players would vote that Kobe is better all time and LeBron is under. Remember when a few all time greats said that LeBron's legacy is tainted especially when he first joined up with 2 prime top 10 superstars? Leave BSPN alone cuz all they do is suck Bron's Vienna all day Just Like u OP.