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I saw one that was in the rumors the past few days. Rubio for Reggie... makes zero sense. Reggie is a better player. Obviously it would take a few more to make it work like Shabazz, but I don't see how this benefits either team. SVG completely denied all of it. It does sound like someone just threw that one out there. I'm sure there will be more though so I started the thread.
The styles in play could not be more opposite. Rubio happy to have 2 points 13 assist games whilst Jackson happy to have 25 point 2 assist games. I wonder if placing a truly elite passer such as Rubio next to Dre will unlock more of his potential. I would say yes.
Spacing might become an issue as no one would have to guard Rubio at the 3pt line.
Defense would improve, Rubio is actually really solid on D, very savvy and great size.
And I do like Shabazz for a role player. He is a bull, was extremely highly touted before college. Still very young and could play a role.
This deal will not get done.
Reggie + 1st round pick for Dunn??... Deal ;)
Haha yeah we would all take Dunn I think.
Dunn would be nice haha.
Yah, the trade didn't make a ton of sense. I get it in a way, because Reggie's D is killing us and Rubio is such an elite playmaker. That said, we just don't have enough shooting to make Rubio as our PG work
Well it's strange because literally everyone of our players can shoot the 3, but just no one who can do it an elite rate. I had hope that KCP would become a high level shooter but as it stands he is above average / good but very streaky.
Harris / Morris / Leur / Reggie / KCP / Stanley can all fire from 3, they all range from above average - good. But nothing above good. No very good, not excellent, no elite. all about 70 rating....
If even 1 or 2 of those guys could transition into good to very good shooters, then we would benefit from that move...
I feel like Bullock can develop into an elite sniper from deep, but is only an end of the bench player
KCP is shooting 40% fwiw.
I agree though, everyone sits right at an acceptable rate, but nobody beyond KCP is near elite right now. Its frustrating.
We could get away with this level of FT shooting if our D was better and our ball movement was better. We need to improve 2 areas and replace one of Reggie,Harris or Morris with more of a 3 and D type.
Interestingly, we are better with Ish on the floor this year who shoots worse than Reggie, so its possible we might be even better with Rubio. Makes me wonder.
Not sure what 3 and D guy might be available. They're tough to get these days.
I just saw this. It seems pretty apparent the Pistons are thinking about moving Reggie.
[QUOTE]Jake Fischer: League source said Pelicans, while weighing numerous options, had internally mulled offering a trade package for Reggie Jackson.
Probably only the top 2 will be PGs fwiw.
Reggie may be moved, but I wouldn't expect anything imminent.
I want Rubio and Melo dammit
I'd stay away from both. Melo should be a part of a veteran team that is in contention at this point. Not leading a bunch of young up and comers. We'd be a 5 or 6 seed with him. It's not enough. Rubio just doesn't have the shooting to fit here. Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Dennis Smith, De'Aaron Fox, and Frank Ntilikina, will likely all be top 8 picks. All PG's. The only two other players who have stepped up lately are Josh Jackson and Jonathan Isaac. Some would even consider Monk a PG possibly because of his size. So there's a lot of PG's at the top of this draft. After that there's a lot of PF's and it's lining up that we would be drafting another one this year. Ellenson is very likely going to get some competition. Leurer would lose some time then. And I think it would also be the beginning of the end of having both Harris and Morris. It's just a giant log jam in the making and it's sad there isn't someone good enough to stand out to take over that spot.
Yup, I expect Jackson and Isaac to go top 5. Smith could go top 4 though too, so split the difference haha
I want both badly. The team is 3-4 points better with Ish on the floor compared to Reggie right now and they're better the more they run, which they don't at all with Reggie right now. I'd take the chance on Rubio's playmaking, pace setting and defense(our PG defense is killing us!)
For Melo, what's there to lose? I think if he was willing to come Phil would take Tobias, Baynes(or Boban?) and a 2018 first. Worth a shot to me. We aren't getting a star in free agency or the draft any time soon most likely, take the gamble. He doesn't pass or play D a ton, but we don't have a true go to scorer and Tobias doesn't do those things either.
We're a potential 5 or 6 seed as currently constructed, its plenty possible Melo takes us up there with Boston, Toronto and Washington. Its silly to suggest those teams are so out of reach IMO.
I don't want to give up any first round picks necessarily. Especially in a trade involving Melo. This team could be worse off with him. I like Melo, but I'm not gutting a team for him. Look at how that worked for the Knicks. We would be them all over again.
I do agree this team has been better when they can run. Also, having a defensive PG would help. We should just tank and get one of those young guys lol.
If we could just suck a little more. I say this every season lol. It burns us every time. I've been watching Lauri Markkanen of Arizona a bit. Seems like the Krisaps, Bender, Saric of this draft. He's a 7' stretch 4 that shoots 50% from the 3 point line (and attempts 5 per game). He could be a great fit next the Dre.
I'll tell you who we could use right now, who was drafted 2 spots AFTER we selected Diwiddie, and that is Nikola Jokic.... This dude is a BEAST. I have watched his past few games and he is a true cornerstone - such a pure talent.
He legit could be the best PF in the league right now...
Yeah, I've watched a decent amount of him. Even had him on my fantasy team for a bit last season. Would we all agree PF is probably the one position that our team still needs the most help at?
I think Leur would be a very nice starting PF if we had a superstar backcourt / wing player (Lebron, KD, PG, Kawii, Beard, Beastbrook) etc. He is a very nice compliment I feel. But without a superstar, I feel like he does not give us enough there. So yes, you are probably right.
In my opinion I think he is one of the absolute, if not THE, best backup PF in the league. I love his game, very smooth and controlled with range and athleticism
Nothing against Leur, but he's more of a come off the bench kind of guy. I like what he's done but without having legit All-Stars on this team it's just not the right fit for the starting lineup. Drummond clearly isn't going to be that guy. He was our one hope. We really need one of these young guys to step their game up. Everything still feels extremely mediocre.
Ironic I mentioned my disappointment with Drummond and then I see this today.
[QUOTE]They needed talent; they would figure out the rest later. The figuring it out part has been harder than expected, especially with both Jackson and Drummond plateauing. Detroit has quietly explored the trade market for each of its franchise centerpieces, according to sources across the league, and come away disappointed with the potential return. (Van Gundy himself has said anyone is available for
we take turns picking on speific player, but none of them are the specific issue. We simply need a superstar. Get one if you can, otherwise stick with the status quo because consistency is more valuable than a microscopic upgrade in talent.
[QUOTE=Aussie Dunker]I'll tell you who we could use right now, who was drafted 2 spots AFTER we selected Diwiddie, and that is Nikola Jokic.... This dude is a BEAST. I have watched his past few games and he is a true cornerstone - such a pure talent.
He legit could be the best PF in the league right now...[/QUOTE]
He's a C fwiw
Denver experimented with him at PF in a twin towers kind of thing in the beginning of the season. They quickly learned he's only meant to play C too.
[QUOTE=Nastradamus]we take turns picking on speific player, but none of them are the specific issue. We simply need a superstar. Get one if you can, otherwise stick with the status quo because consistency is more valuable than a microscopic upgrade in talent.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree. The Knicks and Lakers have tried to do that. The Lakers learned very fast that doesn't work. You either need to be really good or really bad I've been saying it forever. Trying to be mediocre is the dumbest move in basketball. If you can't land a top pick and hope they turn into a star and you can't land a big time FA you find yourself stuck in mediocrity, which is exactly what the Pistons have been doing. We had a few guys that we hoped would turn into stars. It's obviously not happening. Dre is a 4 or 5 option on a contending team. Until he learns to score better, shoot better, and at this point play defense better he may never be an all-star again. And he's our best chance at a star player.... It's really dumb to try to fight for an 8 seed every year. Pretty soon I will be calling for SVG to go. He's already not getting along with his C again. Things aren't looking great.
I was complaining about Dre but I still think he's one of the top 50 under 25. KCP was midway through the list. Dre didn't even make it. Apparently when they shopped him they must have really not got any good offers lol.
[url]http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/2/16/14637624/andre-drummond-pistons-left-off-espn-list-of-top-50-under-25[/url]
Here's another good article I read yesterday.
[url]http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/2/15/14622940/nba-trade-rumors-andre-drummond-reggie-jackson-zach-lowe-espn[/url]
[QUOTE=dd24]I was complaining about Dre but I still think he's one of the top 50 under 25. KCP was midway through the list. Dre didn't even make it. Apparently when they shopped him they must have really not got any good offers lol.
[url]http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/2/16/14637624/andre-drummond-pistons-left-off-espn-list-of-top-50-under-25[/url][/QUOTE]
Oversight, he's now 14th
[QUOTE=Nastradamus]Oversight, he's now 14th[/QUOTE]
Makes much more sense.
Here's the latest Reggie Jackson trade rumor. 3 way trade with Orlando and the Lakers.
[url]http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/2/17/14652594/nba-trade-rumors-pistons-magic-lakers-lou-williams-reggie-jackson-dj-augustin[/url]
If we keep trading with Orlando we're just going to end up with their team lol.
I don't like Payton at all. Hezonja sucks, but I suppose there is upside. Williams is a better scorer than anyone we have I suppose.
I think there's a decent amount of people that think Williams is a better player than Jackson. I still think on a contending team he's a 6th man. He can definitely really score.
Have a feeling we stand pat or do a small Baynes or Bullock deal
I heard KCP's name being thrown out there a few hours ago. Odd since the latest reports were the Pistons were prepared to pay him. I did feel like they weren't going to make a move. I feel like Reggie may be moved in the off season if he doesn't step it up. They aren't going to want him and KCP with big contracts. That would leave no room to get better. Someone is going to have to go.
Well handled trade dealine by SVG. Shop everyone, ask for high prices, stay put otherwise.
There better be some type of barn yard sale over the summer time.
SVG staying put during the trade deadline does nothing for us.
I better see Paul George on our roster this summer.
As much as I would like to see Paul George, I also don't want to see him. He would be a 1 year rental and then leave. So we would give up something major to be mediocre again. SVG is clearly trying to make some cap space though. I think there will be a trade this summer. They probably would like it to be Reggie. The thing is who do they replace him with? The Pistons are just mediocre enough to be out of the running to draft a PG. Ish isn't a full time starter on a good NBA team.
The other thing I thought about is the Pistons can kind of afford to suck again next season. The year after when they are in the new stadium they are going to want to have a winning team. That will make things interesting in how they make moves these next two seasons.
[QUOTE=dd24]As much as I would like to see Paul George, I also don't want to see him. He would be a 1 year rental and then leave. So we would give up something major to be mediocre again. SVG is clearly trying to make some cap space though. I think there will be a trade this summer. They probably would like it to be Reggie. The thing is who do they replace him with? The Pistons are just mediocre enough to be out of the running to draft a PG. Ish isn't a full time starter on a good NBA team.[/QUOTE]
Of course any trade including PG would include him agreeing to an extension. We can get good value out Of players, just not d much We would want.