How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?

LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"

That 2009 magic team was legit

Dwight dropped 40/14 on 67%FG while LeQuit had 25 in Game 6. Let's not forget the two straight turnovers & a missed FT late in the 4th in Game 4 that set up the loss in OT to put Orlando up 3 - 1. Funniest part is that Dwight hit the two clutch FTs and blocked James late in OT to ice the game. That series is a straight up sweep without the fluke clutch 3-pointer in Game 2.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]
No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]


Kobe, Pau & the lakers made quick work of them. :confusedshrug:

Bran had a 66 win team and got his ass kicked.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]

Lakers should have swept them if not for Kobe going 5/10 from the FT + Gasol turning the ball over on a potential game-winner in Game 3. They were decent, and would have probably given the Lakers a tougher fight if not for Jameer coming off injury, he didn't play a single minute against the Cavs and returned for the Finals on limited minutes.

Lost to an 8th seed, lawl.

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"[/QUOTE]
Na he had a decent coach and good enough team there's no excuse really. Bron was still learning how to be a champion. He had to leave and spend a year with a proven champion to really figure it out and now that he has he's one of the best ever.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.[/QUOTE]
The **** you talking about?

The Magic won 59 games while the 76ers won 41. No sane person thought the 76ers had a chance.:oldlol:

But the main reason why LeBron lost was because the role players on the Magic far outplayed the Cavs role players.

[URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2009-nba-eastern-conference-finals-magic-vs-cavaliers.html"]https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2009-nba-eastern-conference-finals-magic-vs-cavaliers.html[/URL]

You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.

[QUOTE=AussieSteve]You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.[/QUOTE]
Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser. Lebron was the MVP and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA. Again Lebron lost with HCA and had Ben Wallace as well the only guy on a team that was an allstar that won it all.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp][B]Dwight Howard was younger than Lebron and beat him without HCA and Dwight Howard is a career loser.[/B] Lebron was the MVP and lost to a guy who never won MVP with HCA.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=AussieSteve]You can argue that he underperformed in game 6, but the rest of the series he was awesome. 41ppg on 53%efg over 5 playoff games against a 59 win team with the #1 defense in the league is impressive by anyone's standards.

But at the end of the day, he was 24 years old. At the same age Jordan had just been swept in the first round again, culminating in his now legendary 1-9 playoff record without Pippen.[/QUOTE]

Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]Get your facts straight.

This whole 1-9 thing is just a joke. Judging MJ in his first 3 seasons in the league, when he played either a great Bucks team (1985) or the GOAT tier Celtics team (1986 & 1987). MJ balled out in all those series. He had no help.

This was LeBron's 6th NBA season with the 1st seed. Completely different circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Who cares about MJ we are talking about Dwight Howard beating Lebron. Hell even when Lebron played with Dwight he won bronze medal. This dude led America to two bronze medals. Name should be Lebronze.

A top 15 player with a history of choking and a history of monopolizing the offense, thus diminishing team play potential can lose to ANYBODY!

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]
No it wasn't. It just showcased how volatile the modern game can be due to the 3pt shot. A lot of those guys got contracts based off of that run and proceeded to shit the bed next season. Although, I guess it is possible that 3/4 of that roster just happened to all peak during that one single playoff run as 55% 3pt shooters.

[QUOTE=PickernRoller]A top 15 player with a history of choking and a history of monopolizing the offense, thus diminishing team play potential can lose to ANYBODY![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

No one thought that. And skip to playing out of his mind all season for them

Another black mark on LeBrons long resume of failures. :rockon:

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.[/QUOTE]

They were a better team and had better matchups against the Cavs. They were the Rockets before the Rockets. They loved shooting the 3 with a solid big man in the middle.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]No they weren't that good, [B]people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1[/B]. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.[/QUOTE]
:kobe:

Terrible post.

And from what I remember they played better without Jameer. There was a debate if the Magic should even play a healthy Nelson cause the thought was that he would ruin the good chemistry.

OP posts literally the same thing every day. Not sure why Jeff lets retards on this site.

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Dwight dropped 40/14 on 67%FG while LeQuit had 25 in Game 6. Let's not forget the two straight turnovers & a missed FT late in the 4th in Game 4 that set up the loss in OT to put Orlando up 3 - 1. Funniest part is that Dwight hit the two clutch FTs and blocked James late in OT to ice the game. That series is a straight up sweep without the fluke clutch 3-pointer in Game 2.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Lakers should have swept them if not for Kobe going 5/10 from the FT + Gasol turning the ball over on a potential game-winner in Game 3. They were decent, and would have probably given the Lakers a tougher fight if not for Jameer coming off injury, he didn't play a single minute against the Cavs and returned for the Finals on limited minutes.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone cherrypicks as ludicrously as this dude does. Gonna fixate on Game 6 and ignore the entire rest of the series where LeBron was averaging 40 a game, hitting walk of 3 pointers, icing FT's to send games to OT, have multiple monster performances in the 4th, and you want to act like he was some choking bum in that series :lol

And then being laughably disingenuous about the '09 Finals, where the Magic were literally a point blank layup and a made FT away from winning Games 2 & 4

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s[/URL]

when you look at the minutes played that series, you see a problem where it's Mo Williams and Delonte West matching up Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglus' minutes

Dwight Howard made his FTs that series, but anytime someone scoring 25 on .65 is a big no no to you

you can say it's similar to George Karl unwilling to let Payton to guard Jordan until game 3 of the finals but Ben Wallace and Joe Smith weren't asked to stop Dwight and Delonte was gassed too early, minutes were split too evenly between Gibson/Szczerbiak/Pavlovic during the regular season for a none-defending champion team

and here's where the basketball stans really get to defend this, Mo Williams, putting up 17/3.5/6.3 on a 26-56 team, went to a 45-37 team, and put up 17/3.4/4 and now had the number 1 record in the league

How drunk were you all?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]I don't think anyone cherrypicks as ludicrously as this dude does. Gonna fixate on Game 6 and ignore the entire rest of the series where LeBron was averaging 40 a game, hitting walk of 3 pointers, icing FT's to send games to OT, have multiple monster performances in the 4th, and you want to act like he was some choking bum in that series :lol

And then being laughably disingenuous about the '09 Finals, where the Magic were literally a point blank layup and a made FT away from winning Games 2 & 4

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKshgJwb_ac&t=0m19s[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dEQ_xYDBOg&t=4m3s[/URL][/QUOTE]

I'm just posting facts.

Series should have been a sweep to begin with, because Lebron was a -7 on the court in Game 2, luckily for him he had a good team to keep the game close enough to where he could take a desperation 3 for the win.


You can't ignore him missing clutch FTs in 1 pt losses. If you're giving him all the credit for wins, he should also take the blame if he loses. You can't have it both ways.

woooooooooooooooooooooo! :lol

by not playing defense

the sad truth about that series is Fright Coward was the best overall player. Box score watchers dont factor in defense so they wont see that but its true

a gay tranny loving bottom outplayed the MVP on a 65+ win team SMH

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

by not playing defense

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So Lebron lost due to defense in 09, 14, 17, and 18??

Does that make him the worst defensive leader of all-time???... :facepalm

The 09' Cavs didn't lose from defense because the magic weren't playing any defense either, and allowed the Cavs far above their normal scoring - the series fell into a no-defense environment, and the Cavs simply got outscored.

This is often the case with lebron's teams - teams learn that they can win a shootout and the series falls into a scoring battle...i.e. the Warriors didn't play any defense in 2017 and had an all-time bad 115 drtg.. but they just outscored lebron's team like the Magic did

Lebron's inability to have an all-time offense hurts him - the #46 all-time offense is at a big deficit versus the #1 offense

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]LeStan answer:
" He played with total scrubs and his coach was trash, also refs were screwing him"[/QUOTE]

same old story ... been like that for a decade or so :lol

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]

They weren

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]:kobe:

Terrible post.

And from what I remember they played better without Jameer. There was a debate if the Magic should even play a healthy Nelson cause the thought was that he would ruin the good chemistry.[/QUOTE]

Someine that actually members, skip was really an amazing pickup for them when James went down. Should've never tries to bring him back....in the finals of all times.

Cavs had the lead with <1 minute to go in 4 of the 6 games. Rashard Lewis is the reason why we never had a Kobe/LeBron finals. :lol Two ridiculous clutch shots in games 1 & 4 to save the Magic.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]That 2009 magic team was legit[/QUOTE]
this

[QUOTE=r0drig0lac]this[/QUOTE]
That team got smashed in the next series. And barely won every series they played.

[QUOTE=HylianNightmare]Someine that actually members, skip was really an amazing pickup for them when James went down. Should've never tries to bring him back....in the finals of all times.[/QUOTE]

You and the guy who you quoted should get banned for this shit.

Rafer Alston was a bum ass and1 player, Jameer was an all star nba player.

Skip was amazing alright...12/2/4 on 47% TS over 23 games at 32 mpg played in the 2009 playoffs ([url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/alstora01.html[/url])

Rafer had a few moments, but you guys need to slow your roll big time

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]That team got smashed in the next series. And barely won every series they played.[/QUOTE]
Memphis lost the following round after taking out #1 seed duncan :oldlol:

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Memphis lost the following round after taking out #1 seed duncan :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:

Is it true Tim Duncan lost as #1 seed to a #8 seed in the first round? Is it true the Grizzlies also hadn't won a single playoff game, prior?

:eek: Can anyone confirm if this is true? It sounds made up.

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp]Did anyone on San Antonio win MVP that year? Spurs were missing a player while the Cavs had everyone and Orlando missing a star player and Dwight still beat Lebron.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Did LeBron have any teammates as good as Ginobili or Parker?

Or a coach like Pop?


No?



Ok then.