Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list? Honest answers, please.

[B]Weigthed average after 35 votes in number 8.[/B]


Guys. Try being realistic. We would really like to know what this board thinks. Hyperbole is for other threads. Thank you.


[B]Where would you put LeBron James on the all time list?[/B]

I voted top 10. The same I said a year ago or 3 years ago. I thought he could get into my top 5 later on. I doubt it now. Where do you have him?

Top 5 and descending. The only thing that seperates him from Shaq, Duncan et al is number of MVPs and he was the media darling from highschool on.

[QUOTE=Overdrive]Top 5 and descending. The only thing that seperates him from Shaq, Duncan et al is number of MVPs and he was the media darling from highschool on.[/QUOTE]
Shaq and Duncan have reasonable arguments over anyone from the last 35 years not named MJ.

Top 10 for sure , maybe top 8 but no way top 5 ..

3-6 for me

I've got LeBron at #2, behind MJ.

I had him top-5.

After single-handedly dismantling the lakers franchise he moves up to a firm #2 all-time.

Traditional bigs have proven obsolete and generally need more help than goat wings

So I put goat wings over goat bigs

And I put MJ/Kobe over everyone because their goat scoring versatility made them easiest to build around - only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe) and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

Here's my rankings in order - MJ, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Mikan

I feel [I]very[/I] good about these rankings

[QUOTE=3ball]Traditional bigs have proven obsolete and generally need more help than goat wings

So I put goat wings over goat bigs

And I put MJ/Kobe over everyone because their goat scoring versatility made them easiest to build around - only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe) and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

Here's my rankings in order - MJ, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Mikan

I feel [I]very[/I] good about these rankings[/QUOTE]
Kobe 2nd all time :oldlol: And what justification puts Bird 3rd all time & LeBron out the top 10

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Kobe 2nd all time :oldlol: And what justification puts Bird 3rd all time & LeBron out the top 10[/QUOTE]
I justified MJ/Kobe at the top quite succinctly:

their goat scoring versatility made them easiest to build around - only Kobe/MJ won multiple rings with 1 all-star teammate, except Shaq (who had Kobe) and hakeem (when MJ was out of league)

:confusedshrug:


And of course, goat wings over goat bigs, so bird/magic over wilt/kaj, etc.. btw, bird over magic is a personal preference for his scoring, and also his status as the goat shooter/passer/rebounder

So my rankings are quite solid and justified well:

MJ, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Mikan

#2 to MJ

not top 15


this year exposed him pretty hard


i rank these guys ahead of him


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#1 Kareem/jordan/russell

#4 Kobe/Duncan/Magic

#7 Shaq/Bird/Wilt/Hakeem

#11 Oscar/West/Moses/Dr J

#15 Garnett/Pettit/Mikan[/B]

#18 Lebron/Durant/Baylor

[QUOTE=red1]I had him top-5.

After single-handedly dismantling the lakers franchise he moves up to a firm #2 all-time.[/QUOTE]
:lol

amazing answer

Weigthed avreage after 24 votes in number 8.

He’s top 5 and if/when he gets the all time scoring title, especially if he’s able to squeeze out another ring, he will probably be top 3.

He’d probably be on his way to another MVP this year if he hadn’t gotten hurt.

All time rankings are a combination of accomplishments and peak play/sustained prime play... he’s not going to suddenly be a better player in 4 or 5 years but his accomplishments may or may not push him higher.

We’ve seen the best of him already... he can’t go down anyone’s list that isn’t a moron.

Oscar, Isiah Thomas,Moses, and Dr J >> lebron

not top 15 ... Honest answer

[QUOTE=zizozain]Oscar, Isiah Thomas,Moses, and Dr J >> lebron

not top 15 ... Honest answer[/QUOTE]

Look I’m not trying to be a dick but you’re a bit of a moron if you honestly believe gun to your head sure that LeBron isn’t one of the 15 best basketball players of all time...

Like you’re either legitimately a borderline moron or your Kobe/Lakers bias has been so incredibly deep for so long that you can’t put together a rational thought...

You can’t find a single player, GM, coach, scout or media member that will honestly tell you in their heart of hearts that he isn’t top 15.

goat man! goat man!....goat man! goat man!

Lebron is Top 5-7. I think most ATG's rank him there.

Weigthed avreage after 30 votes in number 9.


GOAT: 4 votes for 4 points (each vote 1 point)
TOP 3: 2 votes for 4 points (each vote 2 points... top 3 --> avg: 2)
Top 5: 7 votes for 28 points (each vote 4 points... top 5 but not top 3 --> avg:4 etcetc.)
Top 10: 5 votes for 40 points
Top 15: 4 votes for 52 points
Not top 15: 8 votes for 144 points


Total points: 272
Total answers: 30

Average: 9,07

If he quits on this Laker team and ends up sitting out a good portion of the rest of this season with another "injury", he's outta my top 5.

Average after 35 votes is number 8.

Top 3 without a doubt with a solid case for goat.

On a side note i see people here say someone moves down their list. How is that logically possible? You move up through accomplishments and move down only by virtue of being surpassed, that's the way things always worked i thought.....You Can't un-accomplish something :oldlol:

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]Top 3 without a doubt with a solid case for goat.

On a side note i see people here say someone moves down their list. How is that logically possible? You move up through accomplishments and move down only by virtue of being surpassed, that's the way things always worked i thought.....You Can't un-accomplish something :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


But it happens all the time.

Shaq is losing ground for example. And no player besides LeBron has a legit case over him in the last 5 years. Still...

[QUOTE=elementally morale]But it happens all the time.

Shaq is losing ground for example. And no player besides LeBron has a legit case over him in the last 5 years. Still...[/QUOTE]
Only with kobestans it happens

[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Look I

I can

I have LeBron as the goat. This is coming from a big time Kobe fan. He is 16-6 vs my idol :(

[QUOTE=elementally morale]But it happens all the time.

Shaq is losing ground for example. And no player besides LeBron has a legit case over him in the last 5 years. Still...[/QUOTE]
i guess it's people being all over the place with these narratives and inconsistency. Russell actually moved up the argument past Wilt 20 years later without playing a single minute, it's ridiculous.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Average after 35 votes is number 8.[/QUOTE]


you have to factor in the fact that simons alts voted at least 10+ times


:lol

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]i guess it's people being all over the place with these narratives and inconsistency. Russell actually moved up the argument past Wilt 20 years later without playing a single minute, it's ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


It's not a problem though. Different times, different people, different values.

The public's perspective of best music, best movie, best whatever changes all the time. And it's not overtaking by newcomers.

Ranking is not fact. It's opinion. Subject to change. You can change your opinion on Larry Bird any time. Why not?

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]you have to factor in the fact that simons alts voted at least 10+ times


:lol[/QUOTE]


Been there, done that. If I exclude the extremes (GOAT and Not top 15), the result is:

21 votes
147 ponts
average: 7

So this poll is not that skewed.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]It's not a problem though. Different times, different people, different values.

The public's perspective of best music, best movie, best whatever changes all the time. And it's not overtaking by newcomers.

Ranking is not fact. It's opinion. Subject to change. You can change your opinion on Larry Bird any time. Why not?[/QUOTE]
I've seen Magic sneak past Bird on most people's ranking strictly in the last 20 years. It's nice being in the limelight.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Been there, done that. If I exclude the extremes (GOAT and Not top 15), the result is:

21 votes
147 ponts
average: 7

So this poll is not that skewed.[/QUOTE]
Except he's much closer to GOAT than not top 15. So realistically, at worst top 5.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Weigthed avreage after 30 votes in number 9.


GOAT: 4 votes for 4 points (each vote 1 point)
TOP 3: 2 votes for 4 points (each vote 2 points... top 3 --> avg: 2)
Top 5: 7 votes for 28 points (each vote 4 points... top 5 but not top 3 --> avg:4 etcetc.)
Top 10: 5 votes for 40 points
Top 15: 4 votes for 52 points
Not top 15: 8 votes for 144 points


Total points: 272
Total answers: 30

Average: 9,07[/QUOTE]
ur counting doesnt make any sense, show me any real article who ranked lebron outside top10, than ill be ok with that.

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Except he's much closer to GOAT than not top 15. So realistically, at worst top 5.[/QUOTE]


In a day or two when this vote end... if we have 100 answers I can create a real statistical analysis. At this point, there aren't enough votes for it to be representative.

Yes, I can see your point.

[QUOTE=zeerghit]ur counting doesnt make any sense, show me any real article who ranked lebron outside top10, than ill be ok with that.[/QUOTE]


It's pretty damn simple math. Based on votes being cast in this thread. It will not mirror any 'article' and it shouldn't. We want to know what this board thinks not what a certain media outlet pushes.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]It's pretty damn simple math. Based on votes being cast on in this thread. It will not mirror any 'article' and it shouldn't. We want to know what this board thinks not what a certain media outlet pushes.[/QUOTE]
so u can put lets say top50, numbers is getting inflated, i really dont know is this correct word im saying but i think u get the point?

[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]you have to factor in the fact that simons alts voted at least 10+ times


:lol[/QUOTE]
And vice-versa.

[QUOTE=zeerghit]so u can put lets say top50, numbers is getting inflated, i really dont know is this correct word im saying but i think u get the point?[/QUOTE]


Yes. The not top 15 votes are weighted 18 points in the aggregate. If I put it at 16... not much of a change.

From 8.54 to 8.05. And 16 is the minimum value you can set for 'not top 15'.