A very important thread popped up in the NBA forum---about the unhappiness of various NBA players.
Feel free to brainstorm ideas ITT to aid the wellbeing of young men in these modern generations
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A very important thread popped up in the NBA forum---about the unhappiness of various NBA players.
Feel free to brainstorm ideas ITT to aid the wellbeing of young men in these modern generations
let me guess.. Islam is the answer?
NOT joining Islam.
The greatest accomplishments throughout the world were done through Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE=coin24]let me guess.. Islam is the answer?[/QUOTE]
The instructions were "brainstorm ideas to aid to the wellbeing of young men"
Awaiting any contributions...
Women have all kinds of programs designed to benefit them. Men don
[QUOTE=Vino24]Women have all kinds of programs designed to benefit them. Men don’t[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That's very unfair.
And then a new thread popped up with teachers encouraging boys to put on dresses.
Academic/professional achievement---falling behind women.
Less time spent with fathers.
And then you've got men undergoing divorces.
And you've got lonely elderly men.
And you've got these whole weird ideas of rape culture.
Very little incentive to be a father or husband.
These issues need to be addressed and solved.
Jordan Peterson seems to be helping out quite a few young men - look to him. No Dads are telling sons these days that life is tough so someone has to.
More male teachers are likely needed but the pay sucks so no men want to do them. I'd do it only if I was rich.
More fathers, grandfathers, and role model type men in a position of responsible power to give a damn about the next generation and make an effort to reach out to them and mold them into positive future contributing members of society. I've drawn influence from my father, my grandfathers, my uncles, my bosses, public figures - etc. It works. To allow me to see what contributes positively to society, to allow me to see what my temperament should be. How to handle adversity. How to work hard.
And a lot less of that feminist crap like Gillette and Disney are trying to push trying to make men seem like weak figures that are no more physically capable and a lot less mentally capable than women. That's pure bullshit. I'm all for equal opportunity - but the nonsense that they spew in a public setting is raising current children to think that men are problematic and weak. I see it in my nephew as he watches modern disney movies and what not with no powerful male leads anymore, they are always submissive. Great men are not problematic nor are they submissive. My grandfathers and father were great people that I learned a lot from. I see young men struggle especially when they've not had an imperturbable patriarchal figure in their lives. I see problems coming in the future as the current generation of kids watching the kind of stuff my nephew watches will likely have confidence issues and never see the potential they have in them.
Patriarchal figures are GOOD. We need more of them to be reported about, or highlighted in movies and stories - more often - in positive light - not less. Anyone else notice the issue I'm talking about where theres less and less male leads in modern storytelling and they often play a submissive role? That shit leaves an impression on the current youth. So anyways I've tried to be a positive influence as often as I can both in business as the younger employees get brought in, and in my personal life for example when I have chances to teach my nephew some things.
Good men will always try to cultivate more good men. I think the entertainment industry is screwing up badly right now cultivating a generation of men that will never assert themselves to succeed.
its too ****ed up to fix at this point
[QUOTE=tpols]its too ****ed up to fix at this point[/QUOTE]
meltdown :roll: :roll: :roll:
I am older and this is what I grew up with:
1. You aren't a man if you hit or rape a woman. No real man would do that.
2. If you feel somehow challenged or threatened by a woman, you aren't much of a man.
The culture that I see happening these days is this:
1. If you rape or assault a woman, you must be really masculine. So much so that you are masculine to a toxic level.
2. A large portion of "men" are completely triggered by a young congresswoman who happens to be intelligent and good looking. She is so threatening that she has become the most prominent Democratic politician in the country. If she were a guy, nobody would give a damn about her. Pitiful.
As an older guy, I can't help but wonder how the hell we have reached this point. Young men have to learn how to get shit done. They have to realize that it is their responsiblity to protect women and children. They should be taught to compete and win against their fellow men.
Young men should be aware that, in a professional environment, gender should play no role and, generally speaking, a "politically correct" behaviour is required. However, this PC behaviour need not extend into non professional situations. When you are out in public you should acknowledge gender. And, thirdly, you may have a private behaviour where the rules are made up by the participants.
Young dudes. Please learn to be real men. Thanks.
[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous]More fathers, grandfathers, and role model type men in a position of responsible power to give a damn about the next generation and make an effort to reach out to them and mold them into positive future contributing members of society. I've drawn influence from my father, my grandfathers, my uncles, my bosses, public figures - etc. It works. To allow me to see what contributes positively to society, to allow me to see what my temperament should be. How to handle adversity. How to work hard.
And a lot less of that feminist crap like Gillette and Disney are trying to push trying to make men seem like weak figures that are no more physically capable and a lot less mentally capable than women. That's pure bullshit. I'm all for equal opportunity - but the nonsense that they spew in a public setting is raising current children to think that men are problematic and weak. I see it in my nephew as he watches modern disney movies and what not with no powerful male leads anymore, they are always submissive. Great men are not problematic nor are they submissive. My grandfathers and father were great people that I learned a lot from. I see young men struggle especially when they've not had an imperturbable patriarchal figure in their lives. I see problems coming in the future as the current generation of kids watching the kind of stuff my nephew watches will likely have confidence issues and never see the potential they have in them.
Patriarchal figures are GOOD. We need more of them to be reported about, or highlighted in movies and stories - more often - in positive light - not less. Anyone else notice the issue I'm talking about where theres less and less male leads in modern storytelling and they often play a submissive role? That shit leaves an impression on the current youth. So anyways I've tried to be a positive influence as often as I can both in business as the younger employees get brought in, and in my personal life for example when I have chances to teach my nephew some things.
Good men will always try to cultivate more good men. I think the entertainment industry is screwing up badly right now cultivating a generation of men that will never assert themselves to succeed.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this.
legalize cannabis, free pr0n, free hat and lower the drinking age to eighteen.
[QUOTE=Rolando]2. A large portion of "men" are completely triggered by a [B]young congresswoman who happens to be [I][U]intelligent[/U][/I] [/B]and good looking. She is so threatening that she has become the most prominent Democratic politician in the country. If she were a guy, nobody would give a damn about her. Pitiful.[/QUOTE]
You've gotta be ****ing kidding me, right?
Haha.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous]More fathers, grandfathers, and role model type men in a position of responsible power to give a damn about the next generation and make an effort to reach out to them and mold them into positive future contributing members of society. I've drawn influence from my father, my grandfathers, my uncles, my bosses, public figures - etc. It works. To allow me to see what contributes positively to society, to allow me to see what my temperament should be. How to handle adversity. How to work hard.
And a lot less of that feminist crap like Gillette and Disney are trying to push trying to make men seem like weak figures that are no more physically capable and a lot less mentally capable than women. That's pure bullshit. I'm all for equal opportunity - but the nonsense that they spew in a public setting is raising current children to think that men are problematic and weak. I see it in my nephew as he watches modern disney movies and what not with no powerful male leads anymore, they are always submissive. Great men are not problematic nor are they submissive. My grandfathers and father were great people that I learned a lot from. I see young men struggle especially when they've not had an imperturbable patriarchal figure in their lives. I see problems coming in the future as the current generation of kids watching the kind of stuff my nephew watches will likely have confidence issues and never see the potential they have in them.
Patriarchal figures are GOOD. We need more of them to be reported about, or highlighted in movies and stories - more often - in positive light - not less. Anyone else notice the issue I'm talking about where theres less and less male leads in modern storytelling and they often play a submissive role? That shit leaves an impression on the current youth. So anyways I've tried to be a positive influence as often as I can both in business as the younger employees get brought in, and in my personal life for example when I have chances to teach my nephew some things.
Good men will always try to cultivate more good men. I think the entertainment industry is screwing up badly right now cultivating a generation of men that will never assert themselves to succeed.[/QUOTE]
I dont know what your nephew’s parents views are, but one of the biggest problens is parents who say all the things you just said, but STILL take their kids to see all the agenda-driven drivel when it comes out. People who consume the same things from the same companies THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT.
It happens everywhere. Even traditionalists are often massive hypocrites. We all are to some extent, myself included. Nobody is perfect. But if everyone complaining put for a LITTLE effort to do more than just complain it would add up huge.
But people... dont.
@bensimmons :roll:
[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]You've gotta be ****ing kidding me, right?
Haha.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Triggered
This account gon' get banned but no worries , its just one alt...
TheBitch gonna snitch :lol :lol
This is one way of seeing if there is actually anyone moderating the forum. :lol
Anyway, I will mention further that the Republicans are falling into the same trap that the Democrats and the Media fell into with Trump: They could not ignore him.
Mass work projects. Power plants, water pipelines, high speed transit systems, redesign of the interstate system, sustainable local organic farming, urban hydroponic vertical farming projects, desalination plants, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
[QUOTE=Rolando]This is one way of seeing if there is actually anyone moderating the forum. :lol
Anyway, I will mention further that the Republicans are falling into the same trap that the Democrats and the Media fell into with Trump: They could not ignore him.[/QUOTE]
And then doesn't that go against your 2nd point about "If it was a man, he would be ignored. Pitiful."
Arguably, being a man is standing up to bad ideas which AOC is full of.
Bernie has received just as much if not more attention than AOC so again, that sorta exposes your argument a bit further.
[QUOTE=Rolando]I am older and this is what I grew up with:
1. You aren't a man if you hit or rape a woman. No real man would do that.
2. If you feel somehow challenged or threatened by a woman, you aren't much of a man.
The culture that I see happening these days is this:
1. If you rape or assault a woman, you must be really masculine. So much so that you are masculine to a toxic level.
[B]2. A large portion of "men" are completely triggered by a young congresswoman who happens to be intelligent and good looking. She is so threatening that she has become the most prominent Democratic politician in the country. If she were a guy, nobody would give a damn about her. Pitiful.[/B]
As an older guy, I can't help but wonder how the hell we have reached this point. Young men have to learn how to get shit done. They have to realize that it is their responsiblity to protect women and children. They should be taught to compete and win against their fellow men.
Young men should be aware that, in a professional environment, gender should play no role and, generally speaking, a "politically correct" behaviour is required. However, this PC behaviour need not extend into non professional situations. When you are out in public you should acknowledge gender. And, thirdly, you may have a private behaviour where the rules are made up by the participants.
Young dudes. Please learn to be real men. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I really hope you are not talking about Cortez. :facepalm She is dumb as hell.
EDIT: WTF at the picture.. We may open this website at work, do your ****ing jobs mods.
[QUOTE=highwhey]@bensimmons :roll:[/QUOTE]:oldlol:
:roll:
It all comes down to parents and education. In school, boys are taught by women and told all kinds of negative bs about them(toxic masculinity nonsense, how fathers aren
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Join the FBI = you can get fringe bene's
I believe every girl/woman should be armed at all times. Would fix a lot of society.
[QUOTE=Dinosaurus]I believe every girl/woman should be armed at all times. Would fix a lot of society.[/QUOTE]
ya, no.
[QUOTE=diamenz]ya, no.[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate more? It would help curb all the toxic stuff males do and help even the playing field. They would be forced to mature and act like human beings not walking penises.
[QUOTE=Dinosaurus]Care to elaborate more? It would help curb all the toxic stuff males do and help even the playing field. They would be forced to mature and act like human beings not walking penises.[/QUOTE]
because women belong in the kitchen. they're lucky they can even vote.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]NOT joining Islam.
The greatest accomplishments throughout the world were done through Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE]
Amen!!
Most young men have issues due to their "fathers" being nothing more than sperm donors to their mothers. Any young man coming from a single parent household with a father who is MIA from the beginning has a few strikes against them before they ever come up to bat. The best thing anyone coming from this type of environment an do is to not repeat the cycle. Unlike their sorry ass sperm donor father they should take responsibility for their lives. If they get a woman pregnant they should be a part of the child's life as a role model as well a financially. Be a man. Marry and support any woman who is pregnant with your child. Be everything that your sorry ass absentee sperm donor father was not.
kennedy had a famous quote: ""ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
well, i'm going to change that a little bit to:
"Ask not what society can do for you; ask what you can do for yourself."
if you're young and you have this mentality, you're already ahead of the game.
[QUOTE=Hawker]Jordan Peterson seems to be helping out quite a few young men - look to him. No Dads are telling sons these days that life is tough so someone has to.
More male teachers are likely needed but the pay sucks so no men want to do them. I'd do it only if I was rich.[/QUOTE]
It's funny how much closer to the truth your second point is than your first point.
Do you really believe that you could have saved yourself any trouble if only some grizzled figure had given your kid self an earnest lecture on the hard knocks of life? A guy can talk truth without having any impact. What kid has the incentive to listen to that sort of talk? If they haven't already discovered that life is hard, it's because they haven't had to. Lucky them. And anyone putting on the sort of airs it takes to drum up a lecture like that? They only want attention for the tough luck they've seen around themselves. They don't give more than a shrug for the real, minute, detailed, circumstantial problems going on in the day to day of a living breathing individual.
Kids who are stuck in the hamster wheel of public schools and average trajectories don't need the whip. They need inspiration. And that only comes from close relationships with inspiring figures who have discovered, for themselves, from some prior mentor of their own, that even the most boring and idle and luxurious and sentimental lifestyle has contained within it all the necessary clues to lead a life worth living. But they need fresh perspective. They have to see someone else, so much like them, with the same biological limitations and unrealistic expectations, plugging away on the same old project, over and over again, regardless of the material rewards or the potential recognition coming back. It takes a rare closeness, between two individuals, who happen to meet. Not a speech from a father figure, or the same speech a hundred times, after each and every failure, from a real live father, who regrets his own ineptitude or inertia and desperately wants to scream his son into the habitual work ethic he always lacked. That's dumb. Leaders lead by example. Not generic preaching popularizing words.
Jordan Peterson was a good example of that, leading by example I mean, until he gave up his psychological practice and found fame in giving speeches. He's got a whole story for why he had to but I don't find it very convincing.
And I should say that there are alternatives. I'm not trying to suggest that the whip won't [I]work[/I]. The same goes for constant stern judgments from a father who never sees his kid as good enough, which is a whip in itself. A psychopath devoted to denying his child due credit is just as bad as a pushover who denies his child constructive criticism.
You can make young man work harder and longer. If you want them to get more done, to be more productive, whipping them into shape will work wonders. It's not exactly easy, but there's a roadmap and a prototype for that kind of parenting. Tough talk. Serious business. Shape up, bucko. Life ain't a walk in the park. Get out there and accomplish something. Ascend the hierarchy of structural society and show me you're worthy of my respect. Prosper why don't you? None of that is new, nor are those tropes very much forgotten, and at this very moment, they are already making a ferocious comeback into vogue, as they always do. They represent the oldest common sense of mankind. They don't need your help. They aren't even second nature. They come easily and first.
Your second point is much closer to the truth... and pretty much the opposite of your first, which is awesome that your perspective is spread across such a broad domain, but odd that you're still stuck on the stick and afraid of the merits of the carrot. Yes, male teachers. Yes, not enough money, not enough prestige. Plus it's just too damn hard. And there's a really tricky niche to the whole terrain, a paradox of sorts, which is something like... the best teachers will waste themselves on the many, while the few are lost in the crowd. How do you connect a promising lost young apprentice with the right mentor? It's sheer dumb luck in my experience. But then probabilities enter the picture. How do we improve those odds? By increasing the pools and accommodating one-on-one relationships between the young and the odd, so that some accident of fortune can maximize the potential of some poor kid and give meaning to the life of some poor schmuck.
Not easy questions, these. Good thing JEFFERSON MONEY is on the case.
[QUOTE=RidonKs]It's funny how much closer to the truth your second point is than your first point.
Do you really believe that you could have saved yourself any trouble if only some grizzled figure had given your kid self an earnest lecture on the hard knocks of life? A guy can talk truth without having any impact. What kid has the incentive to listen to that sort of talk? If they haven't already discovered that life is hard, it's because they haven't had to. Lucky them. And anyone putting on the sort of airs it takes to drum up a lecture like that? They only want attention for the tough luck they've seen around themselves. They don't give more than a shrug for the real, minute, detailed, circumstantial problems going on in the day to day of a living breathing individual.
Kids who are stuck in the hamster wheel of public schools and average trajectories don't need the whip. They need inspiration. And that only comes from close relationships with inspiring figures who have discovered, for themselves, from some prior mentor of their own, that even the most boring and idle and luxurious and sentimental lifestyle has contained within it all the necessary clues to lead a life worth living. But they need fresh perspective. They have to see someone else, so much like them, with the same biological limitations and unrealistic expectations, plugging away on the same old project, over and over again, regardless of the material rewards or the potential recognition coming back. It takes a rare closeness, between two individuals, who happen to meet. Not a speech from a father figure, or the same speech a hundred times, after each and every failure, from a real live father, who regrets his own ineptitude or inertia and desperately wants to scream his son into the habitual work ethic he always lacked. That's dumb. Leaders lead by example. Not generic preaching popularizing words.
Jordan Peterson was a good example of that, leading by example I mean, until he gave up his psychological practice and found fame in giving speeches. He's got a whole story for why he had to but I don't find it very convincing.
And I should say that there are alternatives. I'm not trying to suggest that the whip won't [I]work[/I]. The same goes for constant stern judgments from a father who never sees his kid as good enough, which is a whip in itself. A psychopath devoted to denying his child due credit is just as bad as a pushover who denies his child constructive criticism.
You can make young man work harder and longer. If you want them to get more done, to be more productive, whipping them into shape will work wonders. It's not exactly easy, but there's a roadmap and a prototype for that kind of parenting. Tough talk. Serious business. Shape up, bucko. Life ain't a walk in the park. Get out there and accomplish something. Ascend the hierarchy of structural society and show me you're worthy of my respect. Prosper why don't you? None of that is new, nor are those tropes very much forgotten, and at this very moment, they are already making a ferocious comeback into vogue, as they always do. They represent the oldest common sense of mankind. They don't need your help. They aren't even second nature. They come easily and first.
Your second point is much closer to the truth... and pretty much the opposite of your first, which is awesome that your perspective is spread across such a broad domain, but odd that you're still stuck on the stick and afraid of the merits of the carrot. Yes, male teachers. Yes, not enough money, not enough prestige. Plus it's just too damn hard. And there's a really tricky niche to the whole terrain, a paradox of sorts, which is something like... the best teachers will waste themselves on the many, while the few are lost in the crowd. How do you connect a promising lost young apprentice with the right mentor? It's sheer dumb luck in my experience. But then probabilities enter the picture. How do we improve those odds? By increasing the pools and accommodating one-on-one relationships between the young and the odd, so that some accident of fortune can maximize the potential of some poor kid and give meaning to the life of some poor schmuck.
Not easy questions, these. Good thing JEFFERSON MONEY is on the case.[/QUOTE]
No, a lecture won't work but Jordan Peterson isn't just a singular lecture is he? He's a body of work. There's numerous anecdotes of individuals improving themselves and while he's gone onto finding fame with his speeches...his lectures are still being shown on youtube and watched by many. So, due to technological progress fueled by men, he can do both. I'm not a huge worshipper of him...I haven't read his books or watched numerous lectures of his but whenever I listed to him on Joe Rogan or his popular interviews, he makes a lot of sense. I learned, "life is hard" and "you obtain satisfaction by overcoming obstacles" on my own but many Dads never instilled this in dudes who grew up without having to worry about difficulty. They saw their big house and great life without acknowledging the first two, five, ten years of his working life to accomplish all that. To get to the point of raising a kid satisfactory.
So I disagree that they come easily and first. Otherwise his tropes wouldn't be so popular as they are.
Similarly to raising a son, it isn't one stern talking to but 18 years of work. Academia was naturally hard for me and I generally had an idea that things would get better for me...wasn't necessarily instilled to me within my parents. My Dad is very pollyanna. Further to that, sometimes a talking to from someone who isn't your Dad is also very helpful.
A lot of people like to ridicule J Peterson for just repeating stuff that's been told to sons numerous times but I'm not sure if that's really been the case. He's still leading by example and from what I know his kids are mainly grown? He's done a good job obviously.
Note: I've had the blessing of teaching children from ages 3 - 17 over the past few months, primarily 12-13 year olds; as well as undergoing a similar stage of life. Most of these kids are WELL-OFF financially, but they suffer from many things humans need.
Pretty standard advice that takes time and renewal to truly internalize.
[B]Spiritually[/B]
Having a firm, unshakeable belief in the Hereafter. I can not reiterate this enough---knowing without a doubt that this worldly life is a test for something much grander, much better to come. As long as you do what's right, your heart WILL BE AT PEACE. You and I and the rest of mankind were made for much more and much better than what this world's got to offer.
[B]Socially[/B]
Cultivate empathy. Just opening your ears and listening and being present for others and smiling works wonders.
I don't even have to say anything special or witty or hilarious or deep---all I do is just stand and stay attentive and just read people's feelings and acknowledge them and bam you guys are soon best buddies.
You could see someone raging and instead of passing judgment on them say in a gentle voice---you seem angry. May I ask what's bothering you? and that demonstration fo care works wonders.
I know for a fact that I go on ISH as a copout because I feel really lonely and don't really connect with people at my local area at the moment---and I reckon a bunch of others suffer from similar situations. Instead of calling each other degenerates or losers or LeBron d!ckriders or whatever (this may motivate a certain personality but it discourages another)---just simply show care. I have a feeling a lot of you guys have had very unfulfilling relationships with friends and family and community.
Be a good brother to your fellow brethren.
[B]Mindset[/B]
Taking complete personal responsibility. I am horrible at this--but have started to try.
Things happen that are out of your control. People abuse you. You work hard and you fail. Dreams diminish. Women disappoint you. Your feelings/emotions are all over the place. You go bankrupt during business. Whatever. Conditions don't seem favorable. Just focus on what you can do--your thoughts, feelings, actions and be more internally oriented.
No regrets if you try your best.
[B]Emotionally[/B]
You got to find a way to release these. Look up emotional release technique.
They are inside you and trapped in your body.
Unfulfilled because of a lack of love from a parent
Depression due to your heart being broken from females
Guilt at some of the actions you've done
Rage at the goings on in the world
Sadness at how life isn't what you hoped it would be
Whatever it is, don't bottle it in---Address it and just intend to... let go..release.
Acknowledge that they are there... release.
Acknowledge the pain... release.
ACknowledge the fear... release.
It feels like exorcising demons ---seriously. And you feel lighter after.
[B]Poisons you got to get rid of[/B]
Excessive screen time
Seeing only the negatives in yourself/others
Hang-ups about your past
Not getting to know yourself and your feelings and motivations
Believing people or objects can fulfill you
Some of you sound like some snowflake libtards with these comments. Young men don’t need Jordan Peterson lectures LOL. They also don’t need all this emotional and spiritual advise. They need productive freaking jobs for Christ’s sake!!!!!! The question is “what can society do to help young men?” Society could organize massive works projects to help young men find productive employment to make a living.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Some of you sound like some snowflake libtards with these comments. Young men don
[QUOTE=warriorfan]TheBitch gonna snitch :lol :lol[/QUOTE]
Actually no, I don't snitch ever, but somewhat surprised he didn't get banned nor that image deleted :oldlol: Then again, its ISH
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Some of you sound like some snowflake libtards with these comments. Young men don’t need Jordan Peterson lectures LOL. They also don’t need all this emotional and spiritual advise. [B]They need productive freaking jobs for Christ’s sake!!!!!! The question is “what can society do to help young men?” Society could organize massive works projects to help young men find productive employment to make a living.[/QUOTE]
Well said. The average millenial enters the workforce already holding tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and these kids earn ~25% less than their uneducated parents did at the same age.
The best way to help young men is to take steps to address income inequality... something like partial student debt amnesty or a newdeal-esque infrastructure jobs program would probably be a good places to start.