In Basketball terms Michael Jordan is the Sun - Everything revolves around him

You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That’s more than 4 points higher than Lebron’s current career average. [B][COLOR="Navy"]Jordan didn’t need the extra 1 or 2 rebounds an assists. What is he supposed to do? Play off the ball less so he could stat pad and get an extra 2 assists? [/COLOR][/B]

But the point I’m making is Jordan already proved he can get more than 7 rebounds and assists when he wants to. [I]But rings don’t care about those numbers[/I][/QUOTE]
Great thread

MJ proved he could play Lebron/Harden-ball, and it proved more dominant than theirs - lebron/harden never took a low seed to a deep playoff run or 6 games with the champs

[QUOTE=Walk on Water]You talk about how Lebron is this assist and rebound machine. When Jordan had to play the more dominant role he averaged 32.5 points and 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. So he proved he can get 8 rebounds and 8 assists while leading the league in scoring.

Then he averaged 31.5 points for his career on the Bulls. That

imagine if Jordan was capable of this :eek:
[IMG]https://pics.me.me/leading-everyone-in-everything-lebron-james-in-nba-finals-finals-11327105.png[/IMG]

Needed MJ more than ever

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4XRUIdqHY[/url]

Was that the season Jordan and the Bulls were tied 2-2 with the NBA Champs in the Eastern Conference Finals and MJ threw the game by attempting a merely 8 field goal attempts?

[QUOTE=Vino24]

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That approach loses more than being the goat scorer, and actually requires equal scoring contributions from sidekicks to win..

MJ's approach allowed the sidekick to do less (score 10-20 less).. and MJ led the bulls in assists most playoff runs, so his sidekick only needs to get defensive boards, which forwards do anyway

[QUOTE=3ball]That approach loses more than being the goat scorer, and actually requires equal scoring contributions from sidekicks to win..

MJ's approach allowed the sidekick to do less (score 10-20 less).. and MJ led the bulls in assists most playoff runs, so mj's approach only makes his sidekick get defensive boards, which forwards do anyway[/QUOTE]
The thing is that year required LeBron to carry the biggest load ever while simultaneously elevating teammates. Goat teamwork

[QUOTE=Vino24]The thing is that year required LeBron to carry the biggest load ever while simultaneously elevating teammates. Goat teamwork[/QUOTE]
If that were true he'd be a lot better than 3/9

3/9 proves that it was a fluke, where Kyrie hit the shot and Dray got suspended - one-offs that enabled victory.. heck, we know lebron ain't hittin' the last shot in the championship

Again, lebron's ball-dominant assists are easily replaced by ball movement, and he sacrifices perimeter defense for interior rebounds.. this normally loses in the championship, but even bad teams win once in a while, 3/9

[QUOTE=Vino24]imagine if Jordan was capable of this :eek:
[IMG]https://pics.me.me/leading-everyone-in-everything-lebron-james-in-nba-finals-finals-11327105.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Because he has the ball more.. it's that simple.

MJ was also double and triple teamed while Bron literally gets single coverage for most of his career.

MJ also played in a team and offence that allowed for more ball movement. So his passes didn't directly lead to a shot. His passes usually led to another pass as the Triangle was more ball movement oriented and inclusive. Whereas Bron turns people into spot up shooters and his ball dominant style of play takes away time off the clock and forces less passing.

And MJ actually played GOAT level defence.

The goat did goat things.

That’s with only playing the last 20 or so games as a point combo guard. Where he brought the ball up and dominated the rock / time of possession and made all decisions.

Now just extrapolate that for an entire season or career of ball dominance and high usage rate like Westbitch, Harden and Le3/9, but with elite perimeter defense.

Instead he was trying to win, was more selfless, allowed other people to touch the ball, and became a high-volume scorer and play finisher.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fXMbgJgMM[/url]

it's ok

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]Lebron in the playoffs averages more activity all around.[/QUOTE]

MJ never had the freedom of playing with a 27 ppg finals performer. He also never had a teammate put up 40+ ppg on 71.5% in a finals game.

He did so much more with so much less help.

MJ had to be the league's top scorer and 1st team all-defense for all his rings.. i.e. harden + 1st team defense

That's bigger than any burden lebron ever had - even in 1998, MJ was scoring champ and #4 in dpoy voting

And only MJ carried this burden - MJ is the only perimeter player that was scoring champ while winning a ring (6 times)

30.4/9.2/10.7/2.5 in 24 games as a PG, averaged 35/7/8 in the POs.

He was also close to a 50 pt triple-double in many games that season.

MJ's career numbers would look a lot better in a different system.

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]The goat did goat things.

That

[QUOTE=ImKobe]30.4/9.2/10.7/2.5 in 24 games as a PG, averaged 35/7/8 in the POs.

He was also close to a 50 pt triple-double in many games that season.

MJ's career numbers would look a lot better in a different system.[/QUOTE]

His numbers would have been astronomical. Remember he also led the league in steals 3 times and had 2 seasons of 200 steals/100 blocks.

But he wouldn't have won like he did if he continued to play such a ball-dominant role. Not back then. It's only because that style failed to win a championship that MJ evolved into the ultimate offensive weapon we know him as today.

It is easier to win playing that way today. I don't think MJ would have been quite as great if he played today because he would have been stuck in late 80's mode his whole career -- winning titles here and there. We may never have seen the complete arsenal that MJ displayed in the 90's because the game wouldn't have forced it out of him.

Michael Jordan is the biggest name in basketball and probably always will be. He's also probably the biggest, most popular athlete in the history of team sports in North America. As great and as influential as LeBron James has been even he can't really measure up to Jordan. Every argument starts with MJ,when fans and the media compare a great NBA player or any great athlete to legends, Jordan is always the name that comes up. He's the standard and he'll continue to be the standard even after LeBron retires. When LeBron ultimately hangs it up I think his reputation will be similar to Wilt, except he'll be more highly regarded. He will have a segment of fans and media members that will believe he's the best ever but the general opinion of the public will be that he ultimately lies in the 2-5 range, falling just short of the mountaintop.

[QUOTE=AngelEyes]Michael Jordan is the biggest name in basketball and probably always will be. He's also probably the biggest, most popular athlete in the history of team sports in North America. As great and as influential as LeBron James has been even he can't really measure up to Jordan. Every argument starts with MJ,when fans and the media compare a great NBA player or any great athlete to legends, Jordan is always the name that comes up. He's the standard and he'll continue to be the standard even after LeBron retires. When LeBron ultimately hangs it up I think his reputation will be similar to Wilt, except he'll be more highly regarded. He will have a segment of fans and media members that will believe he's the best ever but the general opinion of the public will be that he ultimately lies in the 2-5 range, falling just short of the mountaintop.[/QUOTE]
I'd just wait and see how things play out 1st personally, and I'm a fan of both so i won't be bothered either way.

Kobe = Mercury (closest to the sun)
Bill Russell = Saturn (most rings)
Lebron = Pluto (not even a planet anymore)

He was just a basketball player and he retired(3 times). You gotta move on with your life.

The sun is 98.8 to 98.9% of the total mass of the entire solar system. Planets, asteroids, dust, etc. Some speculate that mercury used to be a gas giant, due to having a little bit less craters than the moon, and that Jordan eventually stripped away its atmosphere due to mercury being so close to it.

Despite its mass, it's mostly empty space.

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream]He was just a basketball player and he retired(3 times). You gotta move on with your life.[/QUOTE]

This so f*cking much. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream]He was just a basketball player and he retired(3 times). You gotta move on with your life.[/QUOTE]

interesting take

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Kobe = Mercury (closest to the sun)
Bill Russell = Saturn (most rings)
Lebron = Pluto (not even a planet anymore)[/QUOTE]

:cheers:

Don't you mean everybody surpasses him?

Rings: Bill Russell
Stats: Bron

Yikes

[QUOTE=Rico2016]Don't you mean everybody surpasses him?

Rings: Bill Russell
Stats: Bron

Yikes[/QUOTE]

If there was a donut shaped planet, that'd be LeBron; a fat ZERO. 6 losses earns you that title. Glorified loser.

What’s a king or a serpent to a God?

[QUOTE=Rico2016]Don't you mean everybody surpasses him?

Rings: Bill Russell
Stats: Bron

Yikes[/QUOTE]
Using the accumulative stats theory of yours LOL ...

Thar means Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant are better than Michael Jordan?

Interesting.

One of them was defeated by MJ in two straight finals. Proving he was the superior player.

The other? A coverband 85% version of the man himself.

[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]Lebron in the playoffs averages more activity all around.[/QUOTE]


I already proved to you that Jordan could do Lebron ball but average more points.

So are you saying Jordan should tell his teammates to let him do more passing so he could stat pad some extra assists?

[QUOTE=Vino24]imagine if Jordan was capable of this :eek:
[IMG]https://pics.me.me/leading-everyone-in-everything-lebron-james-in-nba-finals-finals-11327105.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]


What happened against KD?

Yes, Jordan should had played off the ball less, dominate the ball more for more stats, even though it will lead to less team success, less championships.

The game now is judged on spreadsheets.

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Kobe = Mercury (closest to the sun)
Bill Russell = Saturn (most rings)
Lebron = Pluto (not even a planet anymore)[/QUOTE]

:roll: :cheers: :applause:

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Kobe = Mercury (closest to the sun)
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its really sad what the kobe family has turned into.9 years ago they would never bow to jordan.They would never call any player better than kobe.I guess those last 5 or 6 years really broke them :( .Now they are nothing but stand up comedians.Going from player to player, trying to cling onto any relevance since kobe is freefallin' down the rankings because of harden,westbrook,durant,giannis,curry,ect


Wonder if that will happen with the lebron or dingo family.....probably not :lol

will never put a guy who played in the stone age over someone who plays now.Wing players shooting 11% from 3 winning rings :oldlol: not being allowed to play zone defense :roll:

[QUOTE=Akeem34TheDream]He was just a basketball player and he retired(3 times). You gotta move on with your life.[/QUOTE]


perhaps I should watch the GOAT l39ron james on tv today

maybe james floppin from the rockets to satisfy my bball needs










































































oh wait :roll:

On Pluto gravity is 3/9 of one on Earth.

[QUOTE=Rico2016]Don't you mean everybody surpasses him?

Rings: Bill Russell
Stats: Bron

Yikes[/QUOTE]

Wilt surpasses Lebron in stats, so it's either Russell or him.

[QUOTE=Mask the Embiid]its really sad what the kobe family has turned into.9 years ago they would never bow to jordan.They would never call any player better than kobe.I guess those last 5 or 6 years really broke them :( .Now they are nothing but stand up comedians.Going from player to player, trying to cling onto any relevance since kobe is freefallin' down the rankings because of harden,westbrook,durant,giannis,curry,ect


Wonder if that will happen with the lebron or dingo family.....probably not :lol

will never put a guy who played in the stone age over someone who plays now.Wing players shooting 11% from 3 winning rings :oldlol: not being allowed to play zone defense :roll:[/QUOTE]

Your lack of knowledge about the familias is disturbing. Please study the ISH lore before writing this stuff again..

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon]I'd just wait and see how things play out 1st personally, and I'm a fan of both so i won't be bothered either way.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing to play out. We've seen enough of what MJ did and we've seen enough of what LeBron didn't do and could not do. Nothing LeBron does from this point on can make up for what he hasn't done.

Writing is on the wall

[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Kobe = Mercury (closest to the sun)
Bill Russell = Saturn (most rings)
Lebron = Pluto (not even a planet anymore)[/QUOTE]
:roll:


Chamberlain = Jupiter ( Biggest And baddest Planet with the most records in the SolarSystem)

Steph = Venus ( A Bright Beige object thats always getting overlooked)