A decent amount of people don't want to admit it because they are Kobe stans or just don't respect Durant as a person.
But Durant is without a doubt a better scorer than Kobe. I think Kobe might be better overall slightly though.
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A decent amount of people don't want to admit it because they are Kobe stans or just don't respect Durant as a person.
But Durant is without a doubt a better scorer than Kobe. I think Kobe might be better overall slightly though.
Durant > Kobe in general
na
but durant's top 3 with kobe and bird in terms of do it all scoring ability
Water is wet.
[QUOTE=scuzzy]Durant > Kobe in general[/QUOTE]
It could end that way.
[QUOTE=scuzzy]Durant > Kobe in general[/QUOTE]
kobe fans like durant. we respect actual talent
you cant win
durant could eventually pass kobe and MJ for the goat spot. i dont think he should due to the current era sucking farts and pulling a lebron with the ring chasing maneuver.. but he could very well end up with 6-7 titles and 6-7 finals mvps
Durant self cucked his entire legacy unless he goes somewhere alone now or with just one other star and builds a title team.
He literally can't crack the top 10 because of how hard he self cucked.
Even if he is a better scorer than Kobe, which I think is a debate, it doesn't matter... there is pretty much a 0% chance at this point that he passes Kobe all time.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk]It could end that way.[/QUOTE]
and i wouldn't be offended if it did
we only discourage frauds from manufacturing phoney legacies
durant can actually make a free throw and not need a push off to score
Ummmm
Durant > pretty much Everybody in History
Sh.tty Leader though. Kobe won 5 rings with a fat Derick Fisher at point Guard, KD had the Oscar 2.0 and did nothing.
[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Durant self cucked his entire legacy unless he goes somewhere alone now or with just one other star and builds a title team.
He literally can't crack the top 10 because of how hard he self cucked.
Even if he is a better scorer than Kobe, which I think is a debate, it doesn't matter... there is pretty much a 0% chance at this point that he passes Kobe all time.[/QUOTE]
you have lebron in the top 10 so who cares about your opinion.
[QUOTE=knicksman]you have lebron in the top 10 so who cares about your opinion.[/QUOTE]
You.
[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]kobe fans like durant. we respect actual talent
[/QUOTE]
nobody cares who dick Kobe'stans are sucking off
Durant is flat out better than Kobe as a player in every metric, plain n simple
[QUOTE=kennethgriffen] lebron:mad: [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Big164]Lebron:mad: [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=knicksman]LeBron:mad: [/QUOTE]
right on cue:applause:
[QUOTE=G0ATbe]right on cue:applause:[/QUOTE]
meanwhile your username. LOL dumbass
[QUOTE=scuzzy]nobody cares who dick Kobe'stans are sucking off
Durant is flat out better than Kobe as a player in every metric, plain n simple[/QUOTE]
more like im mad coz I got owned
[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]You.[/QUOTE]
why would I respect a f@g who fell inlove with stalker?:lol
[QUOTE=scuzzy]
Durant is flat out better than Kobe as a player in every metric, plain n simple[/QUOTE]
ok
[QUOTE=scuzzy]Durant > Kobe in general[/QUOTE]
this
Even IF you believe that ...
Kobe is better.
Both as a two way player, leader, and competitor. Like, it’s not even close. KD needed to join a 73 win former champ and almost back to back champ to win his hollow rings.
Btw even as a scorer? No.
As a starter?
Kobe 1999 - 2016
27 ppg on 45%
Durant 2008 - Now
27 ppg on 49%
Oh and Kobe was the focus of the defense for the vast majority of his career and played 9 years in a vastly more physical and slower paced league.
Very similar players so its a good comparison.. I would say its close to call and we have to see what KD does in the future to make a final determination..
As a scorer KD is better than Kobe because efficiency matters.. But Kobe was a better passer .. I would say both are about similar on defense but Kobe was a bit better on the ball and KD is better as a team defender because of his size.
I want to see KD on a team where the offense is geared around him. I hope he comes to NY and wins a title here.. That would put him top 10 on all lists. :applause:
Guys, I'm just talking about scoring. All these dudes getting their panties in a bunch and freaking out "Kobe's better overall, better defender, rangzzz"
Chill, it's just scoring. Durant > Kobe.
[QUOTE=scuzzy]Durant > Kobe in general[/QUOTE]
/end thread
[QUOTE=kennethgriffen]na
but durant's top 3 with kobe and bird in terms of do it all scoring ability[/QUOTE]
How is he not a better scorer?
Better from midrange. Better at 3's. Better around the basket. Better at free throws.
I won't speculate on the post scoring side of things, but he is 6'11, and even if not true, he is better everywhere else, along with scoring more points on better efficiency.
What are we missing?
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Even IF you believe that ...
Kobe is better.
Both as a two way player, leader, and competitor. Like, it
[QUOTE=plowking]Kobe was the 73 win team for the majority of his career. By that I mean, he was the guy on the best team. Kobe and Shaq Lakers is the team everyone was chasing. Even when he had Gasol and Bynum, and Odom. They were the team to chase. It was Boston for about a season, but then it was them in terms of talent.
Durant never had that until he got to the Warriors. He probably had it when OKC was stacked with him, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, but he certainly wasn't as good as he is now.
Winning may always be equal in what it goes down as, but circumstances are certainly a factor.[/QUOTE]
What you said would apply for the majority of ATG's. Just go through the top 10; Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Bird etc. all played on either the top team in the league, or at minimum, one of the 2-3 best.
I just completely disagree with your comparison. Yes, for their era, the Gasol/Bynum/Odom Lakers were one of the top 2 teams in the league, but that was mostly due to Kobe. You take him off those teams, they're a first round exit at best. You take Durant off the Warriors, they're contending for a championship.
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[COLOR="darkRed"][B]Effective FG% on all jumpshots and midrange for Curry, MJ, Lebron[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR][U]eFG% All Jumpshots[/U][COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR] [U]Midrange[/U]
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2004[/url]: 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2005[/url]: 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2006[/url]: 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2007[/url]: 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2008[/url]: 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2009[/url]: 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2010[/url]: 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2011[/url]: 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2012[/url]: 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2013[/url]: 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2014[/url]: 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2015[/url]: 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2016[/url]: 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2000[/url]: 38.5%, 328/851........... 39.7%, 201/506
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2001[/url]: 43.0%, 460/1141........... 41.5%, 290/698
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2002[/url]: 41.8%, 478/1184........... 40.9%, 321/785
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2003[/url]: 44.1%, 597/1494........... 41.0%, 376/918
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2004[/url]: 40.3%, 282/787............ 38.3%, 151/394
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2005[/url]: 43.5%, 346/947............ 35.5%, 147/414
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2006[/url]: 46.5%, 709/1724............ 42.4%, 414/976
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2007[/url]: 46.7%, 556/1358............ 43.9%, 330/751
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2008[/url]: 44.6%, 468/1217............ 38.8%, 256/660
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2009[/url]: 45.0%, 519/1285........... 42.0%, 319/759
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Jordan 1997[/url]: 51.2%, 727/1528........... 48.9%, 588/1202
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Currry 2015[/Url]: 56.0%, 424/1029........... 41.1%, 117/285
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Currry 2016[/url]: 62.9%, 389/847............. 45.3%, 67/148
Kobe had better capacity to go off for 40+, but I do believe Durant is equal overall as a scorer because Durant is THAT GOOD
[I]Durant will be top 10 all-time not just because of ring count - it's because he'll age very well like MJ did, due to his goat shooting[/I]
People forget that MJ remained the scoring champion at 34 because he started relying heavily on his jumper - he made twice as many jumpers in 97' as curry and lebron's career high, with better efficiency than lebron's best season (see the stats in the previous post above)
So MJ relied on his jumper to remain the best, and Durant has the capacity to do that even more with his focus on the 3-point shot
[QUOTE=G0ATbe]right on cue:applause:[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=plowking]Kobe was the 73 win team for the majority of his career. By that I mean, he was the guy on the best team. Kobe and Shaq Lakers is the team everyone was chasing. Even when he had Gasol and Bynum, and Odom. They were the team to chase. It was Boston for about a season, but then it was them in terms of talent.
Durant never had that until he got to the Warriors. He probably had it when OKC was stacked with him, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, but he certainly wasn't as good as he is now.
Winning may always be equal in what it goes down as, but circumstances are certainly a factor.[/QUOTE]
What?
Katie Durant played with two MVP caliber players in Oklahoma City, and another MVP and two - three other All-Stars in Golden State.
Kobe played with Shaq in
97: Bench
98: Bench
99: Starter
00: Starter - Ring 23/6/5
01: Starter - Ring 29/6/5
02: Starter - Ring 25/6/6
03: Starter - 30/7/6
04: Starter - 24/6/5
8 years with Shaq. 6 as a starter. 3 chips. 12 years without Shaq. The hell you talking about man?!
Then after that he played with a near prime Chris Bosh but not quite level player as his second option. Stay hating.
OP convinced me. durants better
[QUOTE=3ball].
[COLOR="darkRed"][B]Effective FG% on all jumpshots and midrange for Curry, MJ, Lebron[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR][U]eFG% All Jumpshots[/U][COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR] [U]Midrange[/U]
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2004[/url]: 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2005[/url]: 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2006[/url]: 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2007[/url]: 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2008[/url]: 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2009[/url]: 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2010[/url]: 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2011[/url]: 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2012[/url]: 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2013[/url]: 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2014[/url]: 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2015[/url]: 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Lebron 2016[/url]: 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2000[/url]: 38.5%, 328/851........... 39.7%, 201/506
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2001[/url]: 43.0%, 460/1141........... 41.5%, 290/698
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2002[/url]: 41.8%, 478/1184........... 40.9%, 321/785
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2003[/url]: 44.1%, 597/1494........... 41.0%, 376/918
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2004[/url]: 40.3%, 282/787............ 38.3%, 151/394
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2005[/url]: 43.5%, 346/947............ 35.5%, 147/414
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2006[/url]: 46.5%, 709/1724............ 42.4%, 414/976
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2007[/url]: 46.7%, 556/1358............ 43.9%, 330/751
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2008[/url]: 44.6%, 468/1217............ 38.8%, 256/660
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Bryant 2009[/url]: 45.0%, 519/1285........... 42.0%, 319/759
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Jordan 1997[/url]: 51.2%, 727/1528........... 48.9%, 588/1202
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Currry 2015[/Url]: 56.0%, 424/1029........... 41.1%, 117/285
[url=http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season]Currry 2016[/url]: 62.9%, 389/847............. 45.3%, 67/148[/QUOTE]
This is literally the reason why you're a clown and a massive retard. Cherry picking years. FOH, moron. :oldlol:
As for the OP, no shit. KD >> Kobe as a scorer and with one more FMVP, he's going to pass Brick all-time as well.
3ball is so cringe
Anyway Durant easily is a better scorer than Kobe, that offensive repertoire along with the length. Could argue he's the best scorer ever.
Also wasn't there just a thread knocking Bron's single scoring title? Well Kobe has two....Durant has 4
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]What?
Katie Durant played with two MVP caliber players in Oklahoma City, and another MVP and two - three other All-Stars in Golden State.[/QUOTE]
I did say that. And I said at the time, he wasn't quite mature and good enough to take advantage. He had to be the best player on that team. Something Kobe didn't have to do with Shaq there.
[QUOTE]Kobe played with Shaq in
97: Bench
98: Bench
99: Starter
00: Starter - Ring 23/6/5
01: Starter - Ring 29/6/5
02: Starter - Ring 25/6/6
03: Starter - 30/7/6
04: Starter - 24/6/5
8 years with Shaq. 6 as a starter. 3 chips. 12 years without Shaq. The hell you talking about man?![/QUOTE]
Yes. They were the best team in the league talent wise from 99-04. Durant didn't have that aside from those OKC teams at the time when he wasn't ready yet to lead his team. GSW is a different story, and he finally went to the best team in the league.
[QUOTE]Then after that he played with a near prime Chris Bosh but not quite level player as his second option. Stay hating.[/QUOTE]
As a Heat fan who liked Bosh when he came over, I can tell you that Gasol is comfortably a better player than Bosh. I don't think it is even arguable really. A topic for another time.
[QUOTE=Ben Simmons 25]Durant self cucked his entire legacy unless he goes somewhere alone now or with just one other star and builds a title team.
He literally can't crack the top 10 because of how hard he self cucked.
Even if he is a better scorer than Kobe, which I think is a debate, it doesn't matter... there is pretty much a 0% chance at this point that he passes Kobe all time.[/QUOTE]
Might be the first time I've agreed with you. :cheers:
I disagree with posters implying Durant hasn't been on stacked teams his WHOLE career.
Durant has pretty much ALWAYS had all-star/all-nba teammates with good depth as well.
Maybe as a pure scorer. I'll take Kobe as an overall offensive player. His ability to create for others and alter his approach to scoring as dictated by the game is much better. KD also hasn't proven an ability to be a leader and going to GS doesn't allow him to do that.
Among the great scorers, things like killer instinct, efficiency, and scoring skillset can be used as tiebreakers at times. In the case of Kobe, his efficiency is what moves KD past him a bit in my opinion. Kobe's total scoring skillset and killer instinct is on par with anybody. But when u line up killer instinct, efficiency, scoring skillset, and great scoring numbers as a package, MJ, KD, and Bird are the top three perimeter scorers of all time!