[QUOTE]Mr. Trump was silent for most of the weekend after the attack, and his response on Sunday evening was a remarkable [B]tweet that the United States was
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[QUOTE]Mr. Trump was silent for most of the weekend after the attack, and his response on Sunday evening was a remarkable [B]tweet that the United States was
REEEEpumpkins with another L :oldlol:
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[SIZE="4"][B]US Attorney General Barr invokes
Good thing Obama wasn't tight with the Saudis. :rolleyes:
And of course we would wait for Saudi input before proceeding militarily because the attack was against the Saudis, not us. Nor was it directed at American interests or property. :facepalm
Before we go off and send American troops to fight on behalf of the Saudis this information has to become common knowledge.
They put together the attacks on 9/11. That is very clear. We used these attacks to justify making war with Saudi Arabia's regional rival, Iraq. Now, the Saudis are telling the US military that it is time to take out Iran. (Israel is also doing this)
Don't let them send off someone in your family to go fight over there. Resist this BS. Make sure people know the truth.
I would really really LOVE to see the Israelis and the Saudis do their own fighting. Let them take on Iran.
Lock and loaded means prepared. That's all. I don't get what's the big deal.
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Lock and loaded means prepared. That's all. I don't get what's the big deal.[/QUOTE]
Problem is the moron is waiting for Saudi Arabia to tell him what to do as if Saudi Arabia owns us..
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]And of course we would wait for Saudi input before proceeding militarily because the attack was against the Saudis, not us. Nor was it directed at American interests or property. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Why would we proceed militarily given that the attack was neither directed at American interests or property? Why are we looking to Saudi Arabia to tell us what to do?
[QUOTE=senelcoolidge]Lock and loaded means prepared. That's all. I don't get what's the big deal.[/QUOTE]
"Prepared for what" is the real issue. It really means prepared to carry out an attack or assault with weapons... as in "weapons loaded and prepared for firing." At whom are we getting ready to fire, and why?
[QUOTE=bladefd]Well well well, waiting on Saudi Arabia to tell us what to do. We work for Saudi Arabia now, the same assh0les responsible for a huge piece of 9/11.. Draining the swamp :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
I admit I don't follow it closely but don't get how you guys let Saudi or anyone put it over you. Growing up you lot were the bosses of the world.
[QUOTE=nayte]I admit I don't follow it closely but don't get how you guys let Saudi or anyone put it over you. Growing up you lot were the bosses of the world.[/QUOTE]
The US isn't controlled by it's citizens. This is the unfortunate truth that we have to accept. In reality, the US is controlled by the most powerful people in the world....wherever and whoever they are.
People overlook and underestimate exactly how powerful the Saudis have become. The don't owe anybody anything. The Saudi royal family is by far the richest group of people in the world.
[QUOTE=Rolando]The US isn't controlled by it's citizens. This is the unfortunate truth that we have to accept. In reality, the US is controlled by the most powerful people in the world....wherever and whoever they are.
People overlook and underestimate exactly how powerful the Saudis have become. The don't owe anybody anything. The Saudi royal family is by far the richest group of people in the world.[/QUOTE]
I dont disagree but you all could put your foot down like you did in Iraq.or was that more of powerful people deciding shiet
The White House just called the Saudi Oil field attacks "their 911" :facepalm
Just when you think this administration could not be more tone-deaf
So far it looks like we're tightening sanctions on Iran. I hope that's as far as we go at this point.
[QUOTE=MaxFly] Why are we looking to Saudi Arabia to tell us what to do?[/QUOTE]
I would think consultation with them would be the prudent thing to do before galavanting off to war on our own. We would more than likely consult with any ally that has been attacked before acting unilaterally. The fact that it's the Saudis has you all in hysterics. They've been our allies for a long time, including under King God Obama.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]So far it looks like we're tightening sanctions on Iran. I hope that's as far as we go at this point.[/QUOTE]
Problem with that is we have pretty much tightened as much as we can. Not much left to sanction I believe.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]I would think consultation with them would be the prudent thing to do before galavanting off to war on our own. We would more than likely consult with any ally that has been attacked before acting unilaterally. The fact that it's the Saudis has you all in hysterics. They've been our allies for a long time, including under King God Obama.[/QUOTE]
Again, why would we be going to war at all? Saudi Arabia has enough weapons, experience, personnel and wealth to deal with Iran, and as you noted earlier, the attack was neither directed at American interests or property. Why would we need to get involved, especially given that Saudi Arabia is practically in a proxy war with Iran in Yemen? Some of you hammered Obama for wanting to get involved in Syria where all manner of atrocious human rights violations, war crimes, and a refugee crisis were taking place, but now we're ok with consulting with Saudi Arabia as to whether we should get involved in another war. You guys need a refresher on your talking points.
i think it's clear to iran, the taliban, nk, etc now that maga = the ultimate paper tiger.
you can shoot down drones, knock out 5% of the world's oil supply, fire missiles into the ocean to your heart's content and there's nothing to really worry about except maybe the occasional hurtful tweet and catchy empty threat.
fire and fury.
locked and loaded.
etc.
goat era for rogue nations/despots.
:applause:
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Again, why would we be going to war at all? Saudi Arabia has enough weapons, experience, personnel and wealth to deal with Iran, and as you noted earlier, the attack was neither directed at American interests or property. Why would we need to get involved, especially given that Saudi Arabia is practically in a proxy war with Iran in Yemen? Some of you hammered Obama for wanting to get involved in Syria where all manner of atrocious human rights violations, war crimes, and a refugee crisis were taking place, but now we're ok with consulting with Saudi Arabia as to whether we should get involved in another war. You guys need a refresher on your talking points.[/QUOTE]
Obama drew a line in the sand and did nothing when it was crossed. He royally f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cked up no matter how you sugarcoat it. And you know if this incident had happened under his watch he would be consulting with the Saudis too. Quit letting TDS cloud your vision.
And btw no one is calling for war with Iran.
[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]i think it's clear to iran, the taliban, nk, etc now that maga = the ultimate paper tiger.
you can shoot down drones, knock out 5% of the world's oil supply, fire missiles into the ocean to your heart's content and there's nothing to really worry about except maybe the occasional hurtful tweet and catchy empty threat.
fire and fury.
locked and loaded.
etc.
goat era for rogue nations/despots.
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"Line in the sand" anyone? anyone? :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]"Line in the sand" anyone? anyone? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
barry hussein shoulda had a summit with brother bashar.
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too bad the taliban trip to camp david to commemorate 9/11 was axed.
:lol
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Again, why would we be going to war at all? Saudi Arabia has enough weapons, experience, personnel and wealth to deal with Iran[/QUOTE]
they pay cash, max.
[URL="https://theweek.com/speedreads/865446/trump-suggests-could-back-saudi-arabia-war-iran-because-kingdom-pays-cash"][B]they pay cash[/B][/URL].
i'd really love to hear what was so urgent that [URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-maguire-acting-dni-blows-past-intel-committee-deadline-to-turn-over-whistleblower-complaint/"][B]the whistleblower[/B][/URL] from the ic had to spill last month. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Obama drew a line in the sand and did nothing when it was crossed. He royally f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cked up no matter how you sugarcoat it. And you know if this incident had happened under his watch he would be consulting with the Saudis too. Quit letting TDS cloud your vision.
And btw no one is calling for war with Iran.[/QUOTE]
Obama should not have drawn a red line on Syria. It was foolhardy and premature given that he was looking for political cover to do so from war weary electeds. Obama has acknowledged as much. But let's take a full assessment of what happened... what was the response from Republicans in the House and Senate when Obama wanted to get involved in Syria? I can start trotting out the quotes if you'd like. Even better, do you recall what Trump's response was? If not, can you guess?
So again, if no one wants war with Iran, why is Trump talking about being "locked and loaded" and the possibility of military action in support of "The Kingdom" and "under what terms we would proceed!
[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]they pay cash, max.
[URL="https://theweek.com/speedreads/865446/trump-suggests-could-back-saudi-arabia-war-iran-because-kingdom-pays-cash"][B]they pay cash[/B][/URL].
i'd really love to hear what was so urgent that [URL="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-maguire-acting-dni-blows-past-intel-committee-deadline-to-turn-over-whistleblower-complaint/"][B]the whistleblower[/B][/URL] from the ic had to spill last month. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Oh, I know the answer... my statements are rhetorical. These guys are wishy-washy and desperate to deflect.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Oh, I know the answer... my statements are rhetorical. These guys are wishy-washy and desperate to deflect.[/QUOTE]
i see.
any updates on our [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/25/g7-trumps-demands-for-russias-readmission-causes-row-in-biarritz"][B]national effort to get rusher back into the g-8[/B][/URL] as a reward for their annexation of crimea? :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=nayte]I dont disagree but you all could put your foot down like you did in Iraq.or was that more of powerful people deciding shiet[/QUOTE]
...We were in Iraq for the benefit of Saudi Arabia.
Just to recap: Saudi Arabians financed and executed the attacks on Sept. 11 2001. The United States responded by attacking Iraq which happened to be Saudi Arabia's main concern at the time.
Now, the Saudis realize that with Trump in office, this is the best time to bring down Iran. They absolutely have to make this happen before Trump leaves office because they might have to deal with a Democrat...which would only be a tiny bit more difficult....Actually, I bet Hillary Clinton would have already got this war going with Iran. She's actually in deeper and more corrupt than Trump.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]I would think consultation with them would be the prudent thing to do before galavanting off to war on our own. We would more than likely consult with any ally that has been attacked before acting unilaterally. The fact that it's the Saudis has you all in hysterics. They've been our allies for a long time, including under King God Obama.[/QUOTE]
Exact quote..
[QUOTE=bladefd]Exact quote..
I just remembered something from my past. My dad was career army, special forces, etc. When he retired from active duty he doubled dipped as a civilian and taught courses at the special warfare school at Fort Bragg. Foreign governments would send officers to attend this school, Saudi Arabia being one of them. My dad said he had some very talented guys go through there but he always hated the Saudis. He said they were lazy and pretty much terrible students. No wonder they can't handle the situation in Yemen even with our help.
[QUOTE=bladefd]Exact quote..
“Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!”
Big difference between consulting and having Saudi Arabia tell us what terms WE should proceed under. Why should they tell us what to do? Can't we collect the facts and determine for ourselves what to do or not to do?[/QUOTE]
LMAO. Saudi is not telling us what to do. Our mission is to protect their oil and the flow of their oil on seven seas. This is one of the vital factors that make us powerful and have so many leverages both politically and economically. This is why our politicians have all the brains to seal the deal with Saudi. If you think them using us like a security blanket for free then you should think again and deeper.
[QUOTE=Rooster]LMAO. Saudi is not telling us what to do. Our mission is to protect their oil and the flow of their oil on seven seas. This is one of the vital factors that make us powerful and have so many leverages both politically and economically. This is why our politicians have all the brains to seal the deal with Saudi. If you think them using us like a security blanket for free then you should think again and deeper.[/QUOTE]
So you are telling me we are beholden to protecting THEIR interests and holding up their d!cks because we desperately need that oil. Same country that had a part in screwing us over on 9/11.
[QUOTE=bladefd]So you are telling me we are beholden to protecting THEIR interests and holding up their d!cks because we desperately need that oil. Same country that had a part in screwing us over on 9/11.[/QUOTE]
LMAO. Are you insinuating that this is a one sided favor and Saudi benefits from all of this:roll: . Our national interest align with our foreign policy with Saudi . This is too complicated for you. You're like playing checkers in a game of chess.
[QUOTE=bladefd]So you are telling me we are beholden to protecting THEIR interests and holding up their d!cks because we desperately need that oil. Same country that had a part in screwing us over on 9/11.[/QUOTE]
Moreover, we are now far less beholden to the Saudis or any of the other OPEC nations given that the US is top 5 in oil production and petroleum exports and with our friends Canada and Mexico helping to support our markets. The new state of affairs is a stark reversal from what the Saudis have been used to and it terrifies them that the US is exceptionally energy independent. They can no longer court us with oil (in fact, they have been forced in the past to artificially lower production to keep prices up), so now it's Iran.
[QUOTE=rufuspaul]That's Trump being Trump, acting tough on Twitter. He did the same with North Korea. In reality he doesn't want a war with anyone, including Iran.[/QUOTE]
There must be a drinking game for when Trump is "acting tough on Twitter" or "threatening opponents on Twitter" or "being a dotard on Twitter."
It falls short as an excuse, though.
[QUOTE=MaxFly]Moreover, we are now far less beholden to the Saudis or any of the other OPEC nations given that the US is top 5 in oil production and petroleum exports and with our friends Canada and Mexico helping to support our markets. The new state of affairs is a stark reversal from what the Saudis have been used to and it terrifies them that the US is exceptionally energy independent. They can no longer court us with oil (in fact, they have been forced in the past to artificially lower production to keep prices up), so now it's Iran.[/QUOTE]
Lol. We do have our own oil . We are just copying how the Dutch got rich without having actual natural resources . But hold on, the last time I look, since the Gulf war, our government have spent over 4.5 trillion dollars ( could
[QUOTE=Rooster]LMAO. Are you insinuating that this is a one sided favor and Saudi benefits from all of this:roll: . Our national interest align with our foreign policy with Saudi . This is too complicated for you. You're like playing checkers in a game of chess.[/QUOTE]
Saudi benefits if America forces Iran to leave the picture. Saudi Arabia and Iran hate each other because their interests collide.. Israel and Saudi were threatened by Iran and Iraq. We took out Iraq for them and now they want us to take care of Iran. It's very obvious what they want without having to play chess. I can play Go Fish and figure out what they want from us.
[QUOTE=bladefd]Saudi benefits if America forces Iran to leave the picture. Saudi Arabia and Iran hate each other because their interests collide.. Israel and Saudi were threatened by Iran and Iraq. We took out Iraq for them and now they want us to take care of Iran. It's very obvious what they want without having to play chess. I can play Go Fish and figure out what they want from us.[/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding...