He's really underwhelming.
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He's really underwhelming.
27/9/6/2/1 in 32 mpg so far with him starting out cold from 3.
He's never been the best in the world.Winning a championship is a team accomplishment.If you compare his individual stats to several of his peers, they are better than him.
Lets use LeBron as an example.
Remove Bron from the cavs and heat you seen what happened. Remove Kawhi from the spurs (during the season) and the raptors you seen what happened.
"bu bu but lebron makes his team rely on him through years of grooming"....STFU you dont understand basketball...sit the fk down
I have Kawhi under John Wall.I could see a healthy John Wall running through a injuried Warriors just like Kawhi and Vanfleet
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]He's never been the best in the world.Winning a championship is a team accomplishment.If you compare his individual stats to several of his peers, they are better than him.
Lets use LeBron as an example.
Remove Bron from the cavs and heat you seen what happened. Remove Kawhi from the spurs (during the season) and the raptors you seen what happened.
"bu bu but lebron makes his team rely on him through years of grooming"....STFU you dont understand basketball...sit the fk down[/QUOTE]
Kawhi with the Spurs in 2017 - up 25 on the Warriors @GSW, he goes down they get swept :lol , Spurs 1st round exit ever since.
Raptors had not made a single Finals before Kawhi, he comes there for 1 year and carries them to the Finals and they win their first title.
"individual stats"
Kawhi vs Sixers - 35/9/4, game-winning shot in Game 7
Kawhi vs Bucks - 30/10/4/2, shut down Giannis in a backdoor sweep.
Kawhi vs Warriors - 29/10/4/2, shut down Steph for most of the series
He averaged 30/9/4/2 on 62%TS for a title run... he's better than KD/Giannis/Bran defensively and can score just as well as them, now he's evolved his playmaking as well.
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]He's never been the best in the world.Winning a championship is a team accomplishment.If you compare his individual stats to several of his peers, they are better than him.
Lets use LeBron as an example.
Remove Bron from the cavs and heat you seen what happened. Remove Kawhi from the spurs (during the season) and the raptors you seen what happened.
"bu bu but lebron makes his team rely on him through years of grooming"....STFU you dont understand basketball...sit the fk down
I have Kawhi under John Wall.I could see a healthy John Wall running through a injuried Warriors just like Kawhi and Vanfleet[/QUOTE]
Wtf is this sh*t:lol
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Kawhi with the Spurs in 2017 - up 25 on the Warriors @GSW, he goes down they get swept :lol , Spurs 1st round exit ever since.
Raptors had not made a single Finals before Kawhi, [B]he comes there for 1 year and carries them to the Finals and they win their first title.[/B]
"individual stats"
Kawhi vs Sixers - 35/9/4, game-winning shot in Game 7
[B]Kawhi[/B] vs Bucks - 30/10/4/2, [B]shut down Giannis[/B] in a backdoor sweep.
[B]Kawhi[/B] vs Warriors - 29/10/4/2, [B]shut down Steph for most of the series[/B]
He averaged 30/9/4/2 on 62%TS for a title run... he's better than KD/Giannis/Bran defensively and can score just as well as them, now he's evolved his playmaking as well.[/QUOTE]I highlighted every lie, i'm not going back and forth over this.
BTW i like how you just ignored how his teams stay playoff teams every year with or without him and how LeBron/Westbrook/Durant/Giannis/Wall/i could keep going. Immediately fall off when they go down with an injury or leave
keep ignoring that
He took a team who consistently made it to the conference finals only to lose to lebron every year to the finals without having to play lebron :oldlol:
He beat a GSW team that is dead last in the West(without Klay and KD) in the Finals :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]I highlighted every lie, i'm not going back and forth over this.
BTW i like how you just ignored how his teams stay playoff teams every year with or without him and how LeBron/Westbrook/Durant/Giannis/Wall/i could keep going. Immediately fall off when they go down with an injury or leave
keep ignoring that
He took a team who consistently made it to the conference finals only to lose to lebron every year to the finals without having to play lebron :oldlol:
He beat a GSW team that is dead last in the West(without Klay and KD) in the Finals :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Well the Heat had the misfortune with Bosh having career-ending bloot clots but still were a game away from the ECF in 2016 despite that and with Whiteside being injured. Love was injured last season but the Cavs look like they could be an 8th seed or better right now, Lebron joined a 35-win Lakers team and only got them to 37 wins and lost like every game down the stretch when "activating Playoff mode", KD left OKC and they only won 8 less games, Spurs won 67 and 61 games with Kawhi in 2016 & 2017 and were on their way to beating the Warriors before Kawhi's injury, they've won 47 and 49 games the last two seasons and lost in the first round both times.
And let's not act like the Spurs got nothing in return for Leonard, Derozan isn't exactly a scrub, he led the Raptors to multiple 50+ win seasons and ECF.
Raptors are impressive right now but they're in the EC, they look like a 2nd round exit at best, which is a big step down from a title team. They would be favorites in the East with Kawhi.
also, you don't think Kawhi shut down Giannis?
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[QUOTE=ImKobe]Well the Heat had the misfortune with Bosh having career-ending bloot clots but still were a game away from the ECF in 2016 despite that and with Whiteside being injured. Love was injured last season but the Cavs look like they could be an 8th seed or better right now, Lebron joined a 35-win Lakers team and only got them to 37 wins and lost like every game down the stretch when "activating Playoff mode", KD left OKC and they only won 8 less games, Spurs won 67 and 61 games with Kawhi in 2016 & 2017 and were on their way to beating the Warriors before Kawhi's injury, they've won 47 and 49 games the last two seasons and lost in the first round both times.
And let's not act like the Spurs got nothing in return for Leonard, Derozan isn't exactly a scrub, he led the Raptors to multiple 50+ win seasons and ECF.
Raptors are impressive right now but they're in the EC, they look like a 2nd round exit at best, which is a big step down from a title team. They would be favorites in the East with Kawhi.
also, you don't think Kawhi shut down Giannis?
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7SOg-qWsAAUYto.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Do you not understand the concept of a team...Fk no he didnt stop Giannis....I seen Marc Gasol trapping him every single time he touched the ball in the half court.I seen 4 people digging at him every time he drove with a head of steam so he was always uncomfortable.
If kawhi tried to guard him one on one with no help he would be mauled to death...Nick Nurse is a great coach
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]Do you not understand the concept of a team...Fk no he didnt stop Giannis....I seen Marc Gasol trapping him every single time he touched the ball in the half court.I seen 4 people digging at him every time he drove with a head of steam so he was always uncomfortable.
If kawhi tried to guard him one on one with no help he would be mauled to death...[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVHj5tnabBY[/url]
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]He's never been the best in the world.Winning a championship is a team accomplishment.If you compare his individual stats to several of his peers, they are better than him.
Lets use LeBron as an example.
Remove Bron from the cavs and heat you seen what happened. Remove Kawhi from the spurs (during the season) and the raptors you seen what happened.
"bu bu but lebron makes his team rely on him through years of grooming"....STFU you dont understand basketball...sit the fk down
I have Kawhi under John Wall.I could see a healthy John Wall running through a injuried Warriors just like Kawhi and Vanfleet[/QUOTE]
Quality over quantity. Just like teams are willing to give up multiple role players for 1 superstar coz quality > quantity. Same is true for skills. Not every skill is as valuable as each other. Leonard just have the skill that matters the most. The skill that made kobe win 5 rings and jordan 6 rings. So lebron might have more skills but leonard has the most important skill thus making him the better player.
[QUOTE=knicksman]Quality over quantity. Just like teams are willing to give up multiple role players for 1 superstar coz quality > quantity. Same is true for skills. Not every skill is as valuable as each other. Leonard just have the skill that matters the most. The skill that made kobe win 5 rings and jordan 6 rings. So lebron might have more skills but leonard has the most important skill thus making him the better player.[/QUOTE]
Kobe had the skill of playing with shaq for 3 rings and Jordan had the skill of playing with a top 50 player ever for every single one of his rings....Kawhi got to play with a big 3 spurs and who knows what pascal will end up being when its all said and done.....sit down
its a team game....no matter how much you try to spin it
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]He's really underwhelming.[/QUOTE]
Defence?
And although clippers play him on ball a little to much his ability to be effective off ball makes him more like mj than anyone right now. All of the other stats other than Steph are only effective if they have the ball in there hands alot
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]Kobe had the skill of playing with shaq for 3 rings and Jordan had the skill of playing with a top 50 player ever for every single one of his rings....sit down[/QUOTE]
I know brah. It takes higher IQ to analyze skills and know which skills are important and not. Thats why youd rather read stats. :lol
[QUOTE=knicksman]I know brah. It takes higher IQ to analyze skills and know which skills are important and not. Thats why youd rather read stats. :lol[/QUOTE]
I'm not reading any stats....i've watched both players play for years...I can clearly see who's better
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]Kobe had the skill of playing with shaq for 3 rings and Jordan had the skill of playing with a top 50 player ever for every single one of his rings....Kawhi got to play with a big 3 spurs and who knows what pascal will end up being when its all said and done.....sit down
its a team game....no matter how much you try to spin it[/QUOTE]
Its a team game is just forlosers. You really think its just a coincidence that kobe who copied jordans moves won 5 rings and leonard who is regarded as the closest to jordan won right away in his first try? LOL
[QUOTE=Im so nba'd out]I'm not reading any stats....i've watched both players play for years...I can clearly see who's better[/QUOTE]
"If you compare his individual stats to several of his peers" . Youre definitely not comparing stats dummy.
True, but he's not the best. Maybe top 3
we'll circle back during the playoffs.
I would take Kawhi to win a Finals 10/10 over Lebron.
OP can keep being a pressed lil b1tch. Enjoy the show from afar.
Right now there is no definite best player.
Harden and Giannis are definitely the best for the regular season but we will see come playoff time.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk]Right now there is no definite best player.
Harden and Giannis are definitely the best for the regular season but we will see come playoff time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. There's no definitive best atm, at least not to me. In terms of regular season it seems like Giannis and Harden.
In terms of what I think, it's Kawhi, Harden, Giannis, and LeBron. LeBron ain't playing as good this year offensively, but defensive he is as good since the possibly the Miami days. Kawhi hasn't been as efficient. We'll see by the playoffs.
Dude aint winning shit without FVV/Siakam/Lowry/Gasol.
[QUOTE=knicksman] leonard who is regarded as the closest to jordan won right away in his first try? LOL[/QUOTE]
He lost to Lebron on his first try.
[QUOTE=superduper]Dude aint winning shit without FVV/Siakam/Lowry/Gasol.[/QUOTE]
except he already won before...
[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]He lost to Lebron on his first try.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
got em.
[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]He lost to Lebron on his first try.[/QUOTE]
what i mean is his first season playing in another team while lebron couldnt do it miami brah
[QUOTE=knicksman]what i mean is his first season playing in another team while lebron couldnt do it miami brah[/QUOTE]
TBF, Kawhi didn't have to face Terry and Barea.
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Kawhi with the Spurs in 2017 - up 25 on the Warriors @GSW, he goes down they get swept :lol , Spurs 1st round exit ever since.
Raptors had not made a single Finals before Kawhi, he comes there for 1 year and carries them to the Finals and they win their first title.
Kawhi vs Warriors - 29/10/4/2, shut down Steph for most of the series
He averaged 30/9/4/2 on 62%TS for a title run... he's better than KD/Giannis/Bran defensively and can score just as well as them, now he's evolved his playmaking as well.[/QUOTE]
Kawhi is great but he never shut down steph. Matter of fact Steph did very good when Kawhi tried to guard him.. It was van fleet that did the best job on Steph. Yes Kawhi carried the Raptors to a title but he had an easy road with all the superstars hurt or injured during last seasons playoff push.. With KD injured I would still put Kawhi over Lebron though. Lebron isnt the same ole bron... Still bron is a top 5 player in the league..
[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]He lost to Lebron on his first try.[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll:
I don't think anyone has an ironclad BITW case at the moment. Durant was finally building before his Achilles injury tipped the scales, and Kawhi was the only other superstar that's truly answered the bells that postseason.
The BITW title will probably be in a flux for years to come (unless Giannis makes even more strides), and it'll be hard to anoint anyone for [i]this[/i] season until the playoffs unless someone really outdistances the pack, but I think Kawhi deserves the benefit of the doubt until then after a title run for the ages—even if his load management might militate against whatever MVP candidacy he has.