Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.
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Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.
They'd go 72-10.
It would be the bulls and the rockets in the finals.
[QUOTE=Real14]It would be the bulls and the rockets in the finals.[/QUOTE]
Whatever the outcome would be of that series, DeRozan should be praised for not being afraid of Hakeem and ducking him (unlike someone else).
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Whatever the outcome would be of that series, DeRozan should be praised for not being afraid of Hakeem and ducking him (unlike someone else).[/QUOTE]
Yea DeRozan would of never done that.
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[size="3"]Derozan is [U]far below[/U] Drexler, let alone Jordan:[/size]
[U]Regular Season[/U]
[I]DREXLER[/I]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 20.4.. 6.1.. 5.6.. 54.7 ts.. 114 ortg.. 21.1 PER.. 0.175 ws/48... 6.0 bpm.. 75.6 vorp
[I]DEROZAN[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.9.. 4.3.. 3.4.. 53.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 17.9 PER.. 0.113 ws/48.. -0.5 bpm.. 10.0 vorp
[U]Playoffs[/U]
[I]DREXLER[/I]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 20.4.. 6.9.. 6.1.. 53.2 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.7 PER.. 0.134 ws/48... 5.9 bpm.. 11.0 vorp
[I]DEROZAN[/I]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.9.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 50.3 ts.. 103 ortg.. 16.7 PER.. 0.052 ws/48.. -1.8 bpm.. 0.1 vorp
[size="3"]and drexler > 07' and 11' Lebron:[/size]
[B]Drexler 1992 PO[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
[B]Lebron' 2011 PO[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
[B]Lebron' 2007 PO[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER
[B]Drexler 1992 Finals[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
[B]Lebron' 2011 Finals[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
[B]Lebron' 2007 Finals[/B]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc
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it takes a player of Kobe or MJ's skill level to get stats within the triangle without hurting the offense
many players of derozan's level used the triangle and failed to win
MJ and Kobe are the only guys to win on the professional level with it.. that isn't coincidence.. (and peak Shaq won with it obv)
So DeRozan is nowhere near the caliber needed to win with it - he was infact far less Drexler, who was actually superior to 07' or 11' Lebron (see all the stats in previous post above) - that's the level drexler was at, and I do think drexler could've won with the 94' Bulls
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Wonder why it's okay for Bran stans to say daily that Demar = MJ :wtf:
Strong shooter guard ability.
I think DeRozan would fair pretty well with Jeff Hornacek being his toughest comp.
1992 ECSF
Jordan... 31.3 ppg
Cast....... 61.1 ppg
1994 ECSF
Pippen... 21.7 ppg
Cast....... 68.3 ppg
more jordan shots = less teammate shots.. so Jordan's 10 point advantage on Pippen cost his cast 7 points - which means his presence adds 3 points to the scoring overall (10 - 7) compared to Pippen
Assuming DeRozan's higher scoring detracts from his cast the same as Jordan's, then DeRozan isn't an adequate scorer to win.. Jordan only added 3 points overall once you account for lesser scoring from the cast, and DeRozan's scoring deficit to MJ is more than 3
That's just 1 way to look at it... It's interesting because Pippen's sidekick performance in 1992 ECSF (16 ppg on 42%) underperformed BJ and Grant's in 94' (17 ppg each on 50% +)
[QUOTE=3ball;13972326]1992 ECSF
Jordan... 31.3 ppg
Cast....... 61.1 ppg
1994 ECSF
Pippen... 21.7 ppg
Cast....... 68.3 ppg
more jordan shots = less teammate shots.. so Jordan's 10 point advantage on Pippen cost his cast 7 points - which means his presence adds 3 points to the scoring overall (10 - 7) compared to Pippen
Assuming DeRozan's higher scoring detracts from his cast the same as Jordan's, then DeRozan isn't an adequate scorer to win.. Jordan only added 3 points overall once you account for lesser scoring from the cast, and DeRozan's scoring deficit to MJ is more than 3
That's just 1 way to look at it... It's interesting because Pippen's sidekick performance in 1992 ECSF (16 ppg on 42%) underperformed BJ and Grant's in 94' (17 ppg each on 50% +)[/QUOTE]
Didn't think you were dumb enough to do this.
Imagine Pippen havd Jordan in 94 to do all the dirty work for him while he was the number one option. How do you think that would look like?
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13972334]Didn't think you were dumb enough to do this.
Imagine Pippen havd Jordan in 94 to do all the dirty work for him while he was the number one option. How do you think that would look like?[/QUOTE]
Actually, MJ was doing all the dirty work as the goat guard defender and getting more dpoy votes basically every year... MJ was 2nd in dpoy voting in 93', while Pippen didn't place at all
And mj matched Pippen in assists, while carrying the goat scoring load... Pippen infact did very little...
MJ even guarded Magic for him most of the series (Magic is always guarded by forwards, but MJ did Pippen a favor to take pressure off in his first Finals - he knew pip couldn't handle the pressure)
[QUOTE=3ball;13972354]Actually, MJ was doing all the dirty work as the goat guard defender and getting more dpoy votes basically every year... MJ was 2nd in dpoy voting in 93', while Pippen didn't place at all
And mj matched Pippen in assists, while carrying the goat scoring load... Pippen infact did very little...
MJ even guarded Magic for him most of the series (Magic is always guarded by forwards, but MJ did Pippen a favor to take pressure off in his first Finals - he knew pip couldn't handle the pressure)[/QUOTE]
You were dumb enough to compare output of MJ with Pip and then Pip without MJ as if that's fair. Put MJ as #2 option behind Pippen in 94. What happens? Fail #1
Every NBA fan knows aboit MJ's 1-9 black mark. He was nothing without that Tree Trunk. Fail # 2
MJ didnt match Pippen in shit but scoring. Pip had more rebs, asts, stls, blk. Fail #3
Pip always had the superior DegRtg every single year eith MJ. MJ was just mediocre level defending, like a JR Smith type. Fail #4
Pip in 94 with MJ as #2option wins easily. MJ is nothing soecial. A solid #2 option. Fail #5
Derozen is the worst defender in the league
Michael is the best
[QUOTE=warriorfan;13972364]Derozen is the worst defender in the league
Michael is the best[/QUOTE]
Pippen was
[QUOTE=warriorfan;13972364]Derozen is the worst defender in the league
Michael is the best[/QUOTE]
MJ is a taller Allen Iverson
Quit it ashy broke boi :lol
[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Hellllll no. Derozan has shot 42%fg and 23% from three in the post season and mj shot 49% fg and 33% from the three in the post season. Mj also got way more assists and rebounds while playing way better defense. Youd have to be a f*cking moron to think that they'd win a chip with DeRozan. Im not surprised so many on here think they would:facepalm
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;13972405]Hellllll no. Derozan has shot 42%fg and 23% from three in the post season and mj shot 49% fg and 33% from the three in the post season. Mj also got way more assists and rebounds while playing way better defense. Youd have to be a f*cking moron to think that they'd win a chip with DeRozan. Im not surprised so many on here think they would:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Think of his 90s competiton too:
•plumbers, mechanics, baggers, etc.
Think of his teammate:
•GOAT #2 option SP (Stimulus Pippen)
not even as good as Drexler. would probably be like a Mitch Richmond without a three.
maybe an Allan Houston ...
[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Easily. You are replacing the worst starting SG in the NBA with an all-star.
[QUOTE=FromDowntown;13972430]Think of his 90s competiton too:
•plumbers, mechanics, baggers, etc.
Think of his teammate:
•GOAT #2 option SP (Stimulus Pippen)[/QUOTE]
Pips not the goat number 2 although he is an atg one.
As far as plumber and mechanics and what not theres no difference between brons and mj's competition skill, athleticism and size wise. Shit brons biggest accomplishment according to yall is beating a trio of steph, klay and dray. All are pretty mediocre and much less athletic than alot of mj's competition.
And then theres the old spurs team and the mavs with dirk and jason terry. Bron with alot of help has been beat 3 times by some of the least athletic players ever dude. Wtf are u talking about?
You are downplaying dynasties. Beating a 73 win team is not the same thing as beating the Blazers or Sonics with 1 Hall of Famer each.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;13919321]Do they win the championship? Derozan's best statistical season in his career. Bulls won 55 games with Pete Myers replacing Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Wow, this MJ doc isn't even 3 episodes in and it's got you completely TRIGGERED. :lol:oldlol::lebroncry:
if you add derozan they become worse. he's a poor defender.
you'd need to give scottie a better second option give him lowry and they're better.
They can survive on defense. Grant left the next year and with no MJ, no Grant, no Rodman they were still the #2 defense. What they lacked was a second scorer alongside Pippen. DeRozan would provide that.
possible since they did 55 with Pete Myers
[QUOTE=LeCroix;13996135]possible since they did 55 with Pete Myers[/QUOTE]
Yup--Pete Myers who is a career 5/2/2 player (in the Bulls' defense, who else could they have signed in October, which is when MJ decided to bail?). :roll: DeRozen is 20/4/4 for his career and 27/5/4 in his peak year.
They prob lose in 5 games to the Knicks instead of in 7. Scottie still quits.
Yes because, Pete Myers>>>>>DeRozan, right? :facepalm
DeMar would fit really well in the 90s because of his mid-range game. If he was on the Bulls in 93-94, in place of Pete Myers at SG, they'd definitely be a better team. I think they probably would've even gone to the finals, considering how close they got to beating the Knicks, the team that eventually made it out of the East that year.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13996604]Yes because, Pete Myers>>>>>DeRozan, right? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
This is the hard-nosed Knicks defense we're talking about, Derozan would be a net negative.
The Bulls get worse in the playoffs against good teams with Derozan than without him, I have no doubt about it.
LOL, so many insecure LeBron jock riders in this thread.
[QUOTE=imdaman99;13997266]This is the hard-nosed Knicks defense we're talking about, Derozan would be a net negative.
The Bulls get worse in the playoffs against good teams with Derozan than without him, I have no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
The Bulls would get worse with DeRozan in place of Pete Myers? That is crazy.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13972878]Easily. You are replacing the worst starting SG in the NBA with an all-star.[/QUOTE]
They don't win shit, Derozen is trash in the playoffs.
the Milicic curse continues, i.e. when the coaching staff does more work than the head coach because they don't get the blame from public.
Phil Jackson always said team wins with Jeff Horacek at two guard
Pip gets MVP and FMVP
[QUOTE=aceman;13997383]Phil Jackson always said team wins with Jeff Horacek at two guard[/QUOTE]
They almost traded for prime Hornacek at the deadline but Krause screwed it up.
The people saying DeRozan wouldn't help are ridiculous. The Bulls would go from the worst starting SG in the league to an all-star. Somehow that wouldn't help. :biggums: