Who knows when the draft/free agency/next season happens but here we go
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Who knows when the draft/free agency/next season happens but here we go
[QUOTE][URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/the-utah-jazz-arent-done-inside-donovan-mitchells-night-of-disappointment-144653183.html"]Mitchell and the Jazz will finalize a max extension when free agency opens in mid-October,[/URL] league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Nuggets overcame a 3-1 first-round series deficit by winning Game 7 on Tuesday night. They face the Los Angeles Clippers (+275 to win it all at BetMGM) in the second round of the Western Conference playoffs starting Thursday. “It was a great battle,” Murray said. “I don’t know what to say. I’m speechless. [Mitchell] played so good in every game. He put pressure on our defense to mix it up. He played with that fight, he played with that heart.”
– via [URL="https://sports.yahoo.com/the-utah-jazz-arent-done-inside-donovan-mitchells-night-of-disappointment-144653183.html"]Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports[/URL]
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so much for the Knicks?
[QUOTE]That mostly meant promoting guys up the bench. Niang and Tony Bradley, intended to be deep bench specialists, got regular roles. Around the same time, desperate for second-unit shot creation while Conley sat, they acquired Clarkson.
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Niang the only vet 4 on the team and that is only because he is too slow for the 3. Bradley did well. Should have had a cheap vet behind him
[QUOTE]Clarkson is sort of in his own weird subcategory here; he was far more valuable than the rest of the bench guys and provided something the Jazz desperately needed at that point: just a bucket-getting robot with very little conscience. But because he mostly contributes as a scorer, things get a little tenuous for him when his shot isn’t dropping. He’s fairly average for his positional grouping in terms of points per shot attempt, but he is in just the ninth percentile for assists relative to his usage rate, and he gives up a lot on defense. When he is making shots, the Jazz feel very fortunate to have him. When he isn’t, he doesn’t add a ton else.
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doesn't fit. Thinks he's the only option no matter who is on the floor. Bye bye
[QUOTE]Look, if Clarkson is your 8th best player, you’re probably in pretty good shape, and that’s what he’ll be if Utah makes one more solid addition and also gets Bogdanovic back. But if you need him to be your 6th best, which Utah needed during this playoff run, there are going to be nights he leaves you wanting more. Give him credit: he performed far better this time around than in his only other postseason experience, and he really cleaned up his shot profile after arriving in Utah. But he’s still a bit of a one-skill specialist, and the Jazz aren’t as desperate for that one skill as they were in December. If they can keep him for a price that is commensurate with the 7th/8th-man type of role that he’s best suited for, I think they will. But they have other priorities this offseason that rank far higher on the list, like big man depth and shoring up the perimeter defense.
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be surprised if they didn't keep him given their track record despite their needs
[QUOTE]After Clarkson, the Jazz could probably stand to upgrade just about every rotation spot. Niang had his moments in the regular season and playoffs, but still has a giant target painted on his chest on the defensive end. Bradley improved some, but is still far from being a playoff asset — and Quin Snyder evidently agrees since he phased Bradley out of the rotation as the series went along. Fans clamored for a bigger role for Morgan, but he was relentlessly targeted in his playoff appearances. Jarrell Brantley, Rayjon Tucker and Miye Oni showed flashes, but none cracked the playoff rotation. Mudiay struggled in his brief playoff action, while rookie guards Nigel Williams-Goss and Justin Wright-Foreman barely saw any playing time this season.
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the rookies should have gotten a shot. They'd probably be playing the Clipps.
[QUOTE]It seems pretty clear: Utah needs a couple of bench upgrades to complement their still-improving stars. Most real contenders have seven or eight guys who could start on most teams. The Jazz had six, and with Bogey on the shelf that was more like five this past offseason. They need another grown-up or two for their rotation, specifically in the frontcourt and on the wings.
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Need a starting 4
[QUOTE]Utah doesn’t need another star to turn the corner. They’d take one if one fell into their laps, but a couple of smart upgrades in key rotation roles should be enough. We’ll be speculating in the coming weeks about who they might target for those acquisitions.
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need size, D and depth
[URL]https://saltcityhoops.com/looking-forward-after-utahs-game-7-heartbreak/[/URL]
[QUOTE]What we just saw from Mitchell was incredible. So incredible that he has already secured a max extension from the Jazz, [URL="https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1301177445157154817?s=20"]per reports[/URL].
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You really think that wasn't happening anyway?
[QUOTE]Count this writer among those who have long believed that Gobert has been the Jazz’s most valuable player, and he remains special in his ability to impact games on the defensive end. But in this series the mantle shifted. Mitchell meteoric run was historic and, more importantly, unstoppable. Denver tried so many things to slow him down, and none of those tactics yielded any sustained success. That makes Mitchell pretty close to an unschemable scorer with the ball in his hands, and that is the hardest type of commodity to obtain in the modern NBA. Yes, he’ll still need help, and teaming with a top-15 impact guy will only make his job easier. But Mitchell has moved into a different stratosphere.
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still not convinced he's not sitting at home with Devin Booker without Gobert. We already know Gobert alone makes a team competitive
[QUOTE]He still has things he need to clean up. His handle is lose on some of his pet dribble moves — such as when he pushes the ball through a trap or on that pirhouette move that was poked away in Game 7. But as several tweeps pointed out on Tuesday night, there is no reason to believe he won’t use these next few months to hone his craft. He came back after his first offseason with improved defense. After his second offseason, he was a much-improved pull-up shooter. And he returned from this spring’s lengthy stoppage with better passing and pick-and-roll decision making.
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defense? :lol
[QUOTE]Mitchell’s arrival as a bona fide megastar is enough on its own to justify optimism about Utah eventually finding a way to break through the crowded Western Conference into true contention.
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mega star not getting out of first round despite playing with one of the best layers in the league and a supposedly great coach
[QUOTE]The Croatian forward authored some of Utah’s most exciting moments in the regular season, and he provided a consistent second scorer while Conley was in and out of the lineup. As Conley ages — he’ll be 33 next month — Bogdanovic may be more important to Utah’s long term. As for right now, Utah is fortunately to have two borderline stars flanking their two superstars. That is a 4-man core that would make a lot of teams extremely jealous, especially if Don sustains his recent leap, Conley comes back more healthy and consistent, and the two Europeans keep doing what they’ve been doing.
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The same 4 who lacked size and D all year long. No one is jealous
[QUOTE]When the season started, Ingles was supposed to be the pick-and-roll facilitator in the second unit. But he struggled, in large part because Utah would quickly discover they didn’t really have a logical P&R partner for him. Then Conley got hurt and his role changed again. Then they acquired Jordan Clarkson and his role changed again. Then they reorganized the reserve unit and once again they needed different things from Joe. Then Conley came back and his role changed, and finally Bogdanovic’s absence from the bubble dictated yet another adjustment for Joe. Wow.
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Bradley and Gobert are good in the ick and roll
[QUOTE]O’Neale is a bit more of a specialist than Ingles, but otherwise the two have a similar macro identity: both are consummate glue guys, the type of contributor I’ve always referred to as “role player plus.” They’re better than a generic bench player, and indeed both guys would play starter minutes on the average NBA team. They’re not quite stars, but you still need them to play well to have a chance to beat really good teams.
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they play starter minutes on this team as does Clarkson. That's the problem
[QUOTE]Last year’s version of the Jazz was undoubtedly deeper, but had less firepower at the top of the roster. Utah’s brass knowingly made the tradeoff to acquire Conley and Bogey even at the expense of the back of their rotation, but they thought they could steady thing with the value signings of Jeff Green and Ed Davis. Those signings, to put it mildly, didn’t work out. Dante Exum didn’t grow like they expected either, and Emmanuel Mudiay is [URL="https://twitter.com/danclayt0n/status/1223094872577585152?s=20"]not really a point guard[/URL]. So they had to reconstruct the back half of the rotation on the fly[/QUOTE]
Davis didn't make sense when they needed a 4. Expecting anything from Exum! Mudiay was good. I'd rather have him than Clarkson. Ridiculous to have 6 rookies on a team that is supposed to be playing for a title. No excuses
[URL]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/7/26/21272604/can-the-utah-jazz-keep-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert-supermax-nba-free-agency-coronavirus-nba[/URL]
[QUOTE]“My expectation going forward is that the Millers will fully fund any request that we have regarding player personnel,” Jazz executive vice president of basketball operations Dennis Lindsey said.
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:roll:
[QUOTE]The Jazz’s first order of business this offseason will likely be to get rid of Davis’ contract via trade. In doing so, they’ll want to make it so that whatever they bring back in salary is on a non-guaranteed contract that they can waive so it doesn’t count against the cap and they can open up that $5 million that Davis is currently occupying. The Jazz will probably let Mudiay walk if he wants anything more than a minimum contract, and they’ll deal with Brantley and Wright-Foreman in pretty quick fashion by either waiving or signing them to new two-way deals.
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good luck getting rid of Davis and it not costing you! Got to bring Brantley back. Rather have Wright Forman and Mudiay than Clarkson
[QUOTE]With his contract gone and Clarkson’s cap hold the only one left to worry about, the Jazz agree to a three-year $34 million deal with Clarkson. Since the Jazz have his Bird rights they can stagger each year so that next year’s salary is roughly $10.8 million with 8% increases the next two seasons.
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let's hope they are smarter than I think they are and he's gone
[QUOTE]After next season it’s very likely the Jazz won’t be able to build a contending team without paying some luxury tax so, even if the Jazz have to splurge a little extra to keep Clarkson around while staying under the apron, they should do it. Utilizing the more valuable exceptions in order to bring in some role players is not something the Jazz will be able to do if they become a luxury tax paying team, so getting them on the books now is a good idea.
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wouldn't count on them paying it or contending. Had my hopes up this year and see where that got me again
[QUOTE]The starting unit is not the issue with the Jazz. Once Bogdanovic returns from injury and the Jazz have a full season to really go for it, with Conley having more time to gel with everyone, it’s the bench that needs to be beefed up. Keeping Clarkson is the first step there, and getting some more athletic bodies and firepower could do the trick to keep the Jazz in the upper echelon of the Western Conference.
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their D sucked and they don't have a starting 4 and are too small
[QUOTE][B]Isaac[/B]: It’s hard to ignore the last three games but those first four were fantastic. Mitchell showed his ceiling is higher than we imagined, which has me optimistic. Conley was great throughout his time in the series. But I was disappointed in O’Neale and Joe Ingles, two role players who didn’t produce at the levels I usually expect. The Jazz are about where I thought they were, able to compete in the playoffs but not able to go far.
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role players playing huge minutes is the problem. 6 rookies no PF no size little D
[QUOTE][B]Mark[/B]: Other than health luck, the Jazz bench desperately needs defensive chops. Acquiring Clarkson was a move to simply boost the offense of a bricktastic bench, but the defense still made the Jazz bench a sore, sore weakness. Don’t forget, the Jazz bench defense was a relative strength when Utah had the luxury of keeping defensive stalwart Derrick Favors on the floor as a rim protector. Contending teams typically are able to have star power on the floor at all times, and at the very least the Jazz should make it more difficult to score for those stars than its current iteration.
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their starters D sucked as well
[QUOTE][B]Isaac[/B]: It would be great if the Jazz could catapult their way into contention the same way the LA teams did, by getting the best players in the league to sign with them in free agency and force trades there. Since neither of those is likely to happen, the Jazz’s most pressing need is the same type of player every team is trying to find: multi-talented wings who can defend multiple positions and are a threat on offense. Luckily, they have the same MLE as many other teams entering free agency and the NBA in its infinite wisdom gave the Jazz the losing tiebreakers for the playoffs and the losing tiebreakers for the upcoming draft. (Sorry, not feeling great about the team right now.)
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don't expect immediate help from the draft. The 6 rookies maybe
[QUOTE][B]Trevor[/B]: The answer should be obvious that the Jazz’s number one need is length and size, without sacrificing shooting if possible. If they do need to sacrifice shooting, they’ll need to be an elite defensive team once again. The power forward position is screaming for a change for this reason. It’s just really tough to not get killed on the boards with a shooting guard sized player at the power forward position, and it hurts defensively even if that guy is your defensive specialist. The Jazz need to do everything in their power to get Derrick Favors back on the team. It would help Ingles a ton, and that’s basically a guarantee as we have already seen plenty of film on his chemistry with Favors. We also have a good idea that the Jazz can be an elite defensive team with Gobert and Favors sharing the floor. If you couple that with the superstar offensive power of Mitchell, I’d like to see what would happen.
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God no on Favors. They finally fixed the offense. Why screw it up again?
[QUOTE][B]Clark[/B]: The Jazz need one to two more guys that can play two way ball in the playoffs. One of them should be a wing/guard defender. One of them is Bogdanovic.
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Bojan is a two way guy?
[QUOTE][B]Jake[/B]: Assuming the Jazz keep Conley and Clarkson, they need to shore up their bench with a solid backup center and an athletic wing that can guard a variety of positions. I don’t think the G League players are there yet. That was pretty apparent over the last few weeks. And like many Jazz fans, I can’t stop thinking about bringing Favors back. He would be a perfect fit.
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Definitely think some of the rookies can help. They actually defend! Bradley is fine.
[URL]https://saltcityhoops.com/staff-scrimmage-bubble-burst-in-game-7-where-the-jazz-go-from-here/[/URL]
[QUOTE][URL="https://twitter.com/Kincade12"]Kincade Upstill[/URL]: This post season will be remembered as the time Mitchell exploded. He went from being a border-line All-Star, to the verge of superstardom. His two, fifty point performances in a playoff series were so impressive that only two other players have ever accomplished it, Michael Jordan and Allen Iverson. Game two of the series might have been one of his best performances ever, as he completely controlled every aspect of the entire game. The Disney Bubble will hold a special place in Jazz fans hearts, despite the round one loss, as being the time Mitchell became their next elite franchise player.
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they lost
[QUOTE][B]2. Only 12 teams have lost a series after being up 3-1. What one factor most changed the trajectory of the series in Denver’s favor?[/B]
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they went big. Made adjustments. Snyder didn't
[QUOTE][B]Isaac[/B]: Murray going super nova to a degree I doubt he will ever replicate. That is what won Denver games 5 and 6 and once it went to game 7 it was anybody’s series. I also think that the officiating got in Royce O’Neale’s head in game 5 – the Jazz had a solid lead and let up, and Royce was over aggressive to a fault, especially on screens.
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Murray will never replicate and Mitchell is superstardom
[QUOTE][B]Clark[/B]: There were so many issues that led to the comeback, but I’d say the Jazz’s mental immaturity in not closing out the Nuggets in game 5 was the biggest factor. That’s something you learn and the Jazz aren’t a veteran playoff team yet. They are coming though.
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6 rookies no PF and no size and little D
[QUOTE][B]Mark[/B]: I think the Jazz offense would have been so unstoppable that they would have either handled Game 1’s business with relative ease — even without Mike Conley — or they would have done enough in Games 5-7 to get one more win. The blowouts would have been arguably worse. Bogdanovic would replace virtually all Georges Niang minutes, relegate Clarkson to a tertiary offensive role, and certainly would have been a more capable than Juwan Morgan at filling in the middle once the Jazz went away from Tony Bradley. Even if just for that fateful last possession — where O’Neale was left completely unguarded in the corner, allowing Jerami Grant to make Mitchell hesitate and turn it over — Bogey in the corner would cause Grant to instead be glued to him to give Mitchell a more decisive opportunity. Alas.
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Bojan at the 5 :roll:
[QUOTE][B]Trevor[/B]: Much different. While most people see Bogdanovic as just a lethal three point shooting threat, he is also basically the Utah Jazz’s only post up threat in mismatches. Had Bogdanovic played, the Jazz would have likely targeted Jamal Murray and forced him to battle Bogdanovic in the post quite a bit. That would take a heavy toll on his body and I don’t think he would have put up superstar numbers if he had to play that type of defense. In addition, Mitchell would have been able to take a lot more plays off and save his energy for the stretch runs of games. There is also something to be said about replacing the minutes of end-of-rotation players with a player of Bogdanovic’s caliber.
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Niang is a better post up player. Jazz don't post up
[QUOTE][B]Kincade[/B]: Bogdanovic would have completely changed the series, giving the Jazz another offensive weapon to help out score the Nuggets. The Nuggets were without two of their better defensive players in Barton and Harris (until game six) and couldn’t stop the Jazz. Imagine how unguardable Jazz offense would have been with Bogdanovic in the mix. The Jazz, without Bogdanovic, were a pretty small team, starting O’Neale as the power forward and he is only 6-foot-4. Even though he isn’t known for his defense, a little more size and length would only have helped the Jazz defense out.
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needed more D not less and Bojan gives them less
[URL]https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/1/21409090/2020-utah-jazz-donovan-mitchell-still-carrying-utah-jazz-one-year-later[/URL]
[QUOTE][I]Despite an active offseason, Donovan Mitchell still shoulders the burden of Utah’s offense.[/I]
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:facepalm
[QUOTE]Juwan Morgan. That Fesenko-like surprise in Games 1 and 2 allowed Utah to put forward a bruising defensive identity. When he’s on the floor, Utah’s defensive rating drops to below 90Utah’s success right now rests on Donovan Mitchell’s shoulders. Just his. The offensive help? A slight upgrade over what they had before and as dependable as before. One year later, Donovan Mitchell still has to carry Utah on his own in the playoffs. Win or lose tonight, Utah can’t put Donovan in this situation for the fourth time in four seasons. He can almost do it by himself, but he shouldn’t have to.
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Morgan, Brantley, Tucker and Oni all play D. Where were they?
[QUOTE]points per 100 possessions. Moving Ingles to the bench and Morgan to the starting lineup could allow Utah the first minutes of the game to disrupt Denver’s flow and prevent them from getting in rhythm. But that still may not be enough to slow down [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276646/jamal-murray"]Jamal Murray[/URL]’s next level scoring.
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and yet it was Rudy that once again carried them
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/3/21420002/utah-jazz-news-jordan-clarkson-contract-nba[/url]
[QUOTE]Despite the uncertainty of next season’s salary cap, start date and a lack of big money to be spent by the league no matter how everything pans out, Clarkson’s time with the Jazz will earn him multiple suitors this offseason.
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hope to see you elsewhere!
[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2020/09/04/utah-jazz-positive-takeaways-donovan-mitchell/2/[/url]
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-jazz-expected-to-finalize-a-rookie-max-extension-when-free-agency-opens-per-report/"]Rumors have begun to circulate[/URL] that Donovan Mitchell and the Jazz plan to agree on a max extension come free agency in mid-October. Any Jazz fan has to be ecstatic that they’ll be seeing Mitchell as the face and leader of the franchise for the indefinite future.
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still Rudy's team. Lottery without him
[QUOTE]Without Bojan, Mitchell didn’t get a ton of help on the scoring end, with only defensive-minded [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-"]Rudy Gobert[/URL], Mike Conley, Joe Ingles, and sixth man Jordan Clarkson being the key contributing scorers alongside him. Although some of the numbers put up by the supporting cast weren’t terrible, Bojan’s scoring ability exceeds anyone else on the team behind Mitchell and was definitely missed badly during the restart.
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Conley was arguably better 2nd option
[QUOTE]Tony Jones: [URL="https://podbay.fm/p/game-notes-a-show-about-the-utah-jazz"]Sources tell me that if Derrick Favors came back to the Jazz, he knows he wouldn’t be a starter[/URL].
– via [URL="https://podbay.fm/p/game-notes-a-show-about-the-utah-jazz"]podbay.fm[/URL]
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That's good anyways long as it's strictly at the 5 though I guess Bradley could camp in the corner while Favors dives to the rim. They have a good cheap option in Bradley anyway. Get a vet to be the 3rd center
[QUOTE]The bi-annual exception was slated to be $3.8 million, it too will slip as a result of the cap decrease. But it allows the Jazz to add a fringe rotation player to the roster. Boban Marjanovic, Stanley Johnson, and Markieff Morris were among the players added using the bi-annual exception last season around the NBA.[/QUOTE]
wing/guard
[QUOTE]Nigel Williams-Goss, Miye Oni, Juwan Morgan, Georges Niang, and Rayjon Tucker are all under contract for next season, but all are non-guaranteed. The Jazz could waive any of them this offseason to use their roster spots.[/QUOTE]
you sure none of them are partial?
[QUOTE]That extension has the plus of locking in the Jazz’s franchise player for the foreseeable future, but it does come with a downside: tying up cap room that would otherwise be open in the offseason of 2021. Because Mitchell’s cap hold is just $15.9 million, the Jazz might be giving up $12 million or so in cap space that summer. They could use that to improve the team.[/QUOTE]
need to wait!
[QUOTE]Rudy Gobert is also eligible for an extension, his at the supermax level of approximately 5-years, $221 million. But at this point, both parties know that Gobert is worth somewhat less than the supermax — he isn’t going to get that huge number. They could still work out an extension that reflects a lesser but still very real value to the team, at some large percentage of the cap but short of the supermax level. If they don’t work out an extension at some point, Gobert will be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2021, able to go wherever he pleases.[/QUOTE]
goodbye playoffs!
[QUOTE]Mike Conley also has a choice to make, but it’s a relatively easy one: whether to make $34.5 million in 2020-21 or to become a free agent. Conley’s next contract would be far smaller than that, so he should opt in. Conley can’t be traded until he opts in to next year.[/QUOTE]
and he Bojan and Ed need to be shopped as well as the non/partial guarantees. Sign and trade of Clarkson if it makes sense. Starting PF/vet 3rd center/vet backup or 3rd pf depending on if Mudiay is back/vet wing or forward. Don't expect much to change though. Sign Clarkson, 1st round pick, and maybe the exceptions.
[url]https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/05/utah-jazz-are-headed-big/[/url]
[QUOTE]Most mock drafts are still a ways away, but The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie and ESPN’s Jonathan Givony both have the Jazz taking Josh Green, a wing from Arizona, with the No. 23 pick as things stand.[/QUOTE]
need to look center than pg
[QUOTE]The biggest is Jordan Clarkson, who played a huge role off the bench after being acquired in a Christmas Eve deal with the Cavaliers. Now, though, he’s an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career. The Jazz have his Bird rights, which means they can offer any amount in order to keep him. But Clarkson also has the right to go anywhere he chooses, and may choose to either stay in Utah or leave. Even if he leaves, the Jazz would have no additional cap room to sign other free agents, so signing Clarkson is going to be a top priority for Utah if he’s willing.[/QUOTE]
let him go!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE]Backup point guard Emmanuel Mudiay is also a free agent, but because he signed just a one-year deal with the team, they don’t have Bird rights for him. Instead, the Jazz can only sign him to 120% of last year’s minimum contract. Will the Jazz want to do that for the mercurial point guard? Will Mudiay get other offers elsewhere greater than that? We’ll see.[/QUOTE]
rather have him than Clarkson
[QUOTE]Two-way players Jarrell Brantley and Justin Wright-Foreman are also free agents, though both are restricted. That means that the Jazz can match offers for both from other teams if they were to come in. Wright-Foreman hasn’t shown much, and was even sent home for the playoffs so that the Jazz could add another coach. Brantley, though, has a lot of potential thanks to his size, length and skillful versatility, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him come to terms with the Jazz on a deal that makes him a full roster player this season.[/QUOTE]
Wright Forman was all GLeague the first part of the year. He showed he can score. Rather have him than Clarkson as well
Brantley should be in the mix for the rotation
[QUOTE]Beyond that, the Jazz have two mechanisms to add players to the roster via free agency: the mid-level exception and the bi-annual exception. The mid-level exception was supposed to start at $9.7 million, though the cap havoc that the pandemic created means it’ll end up being lower. Still, it represents a valuable chunk of change that the Jazz can use to add a rotation player to the roster. It will be interesting to see what Dennis Lindsey and company consider to be the most pressing need with that MLE: do they go with a big man to back up Rudy Gobert? Do they add a defensive wing player? A guard? Or just the best player that they can sign with that money?[/QUOTE]
starting PF. Did no one else watch this team play this year with their 6'4" PF?
[QUOTE]the only serious strike against q is his connection to coach k
so if the jazz fire him, fire him for that
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/letter%20to%20the%20Corinthians"]letter to the Corinthians[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531286182"]Sep 7, 2020 | 8:52 AM[/URL]
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That has certainly been an issue with both Hood and Allen.
[QUOTE]When somebody suggests dumping a player, they usually also suggest a player they’d like to see instead and how to go about getting them, not to mention how they think it would improve things.
I think the same level of detail should go into suggesting a coaching change.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Benjamin%20A.%20Sorensen"]Benjamin A. Sorensen[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531286465"]Sep 7, 2020 | 9:08 AM[/URL]
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Why? Who thought Stevens would be a great coach? College coaches have mostly failed. Lots of people can coach. Quin has been hyped a lot but without Rudy the franchise has sucked including Lindsey as well
[QUOTE][B]Also, the Jazz just didn't have a wing defender who could slow down Murray--other than O'Neale (who was pretty ineffective overall) or Mitchell (whose energy was needed on offense).[/B]
Perhaps Oni could have played that role, but there was probably a reason Quin didn’t have enough confidence to play Oni in a playoff game. It was interesting to me that Donovan was the player who was finally able to slow down Murray on the defensive end, but I think that affected his offensive ability by the end of the 4th quarter when he seemed absolutely gassed.
I think the Jazz need at least one more wing defender on this team. Perhaps the Jazz can develop that player from within—in Oni. However, just like good stretch-4 PFs, good wing defenders are very difficult to find, and generally must either be obtained through the draft, or signed in free agency for a lot of money (but even that is difficult, whereas since they are in high demand, they get to pick and choose their team).
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Fesenko%20for%20President"]Fesenko for President[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531287176"]Sep 7, 2020 | 9:45 AM[/URL]
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we don't know that that. Tucker, Oni and Brantley have all shown the ability to defend
[QUOTE]The biggest thing the article did not say was where the team salary is in relation to the Luxury Tax.
If the numbers don’t change too much it is already BAD. Right now it’s (LT) at $139,000,000.
IF the Jazz use the MLE and B-AE, bring back the same core that are committed and have
the max 15 contracts the total 2020-21 Jazz Payroll will be $143,000,000!!!! That is over the Luxury Tax
This is before any DM or RG extensions. I have a hard time thinking the Jazz FO will want to pay the Luxury tax for the "This" team that is on the books. Something will be done to get the salaries down. What improvements can be done without major changes???
The other topic to consider is how the Western Conference will be stacked and 10-14 teams fighting for 8 spots.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/AdMan59"]AdMan59[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531280595"]Sep 6, 2020 | 9:39 PM[/URL]
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yep. Shop Bojan, Conley and Davis. Let Clarkson go. Shop the non guarantee/partial guarantees Starting pf. Vet backup center. Vet pg either behind Mudiay and Mitchell or behind Mitchell. Maybe one more end of the bench vet. Draft a center, then pg if they get another pick
[QUOTE]Well when you don’t like and support nba athletes you settle for Joe ingles and Niang and prospects from Yale. So horrible how Utahs discrimination holds it back from real contention every year.
Then Donovan Mitchell. We sign Conley,Foreman/Clarkson/Nigel Gross/Mudiay/Rajon Tucker/
All smaller and similar to him for what?
I hate watching my Jazz team live this way.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/muLLet%20astronaut%20gaNg%20khef%20thugn%2055"]muLLet astronaut gaNg khef thugn 55[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531287378"]Sep 7, 2020 | 9:56 AM[/URL]
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I like all those guys. The question is why a team that says they are contending went into the season without a starting 4. Spent their money on a backup 5 instead. Carried 6 rookies that didn't get a chance to play instead of more vets?
[QUOTE]At what point should we have gotten rid of Sloan for his over-reliance on Stockton and Malone that kept on getting them booted out of the playoffs for fifteen years?
I’ll honestly take that over a coaching carousel like we see in some other franchises.
A more substantial question would be:
If they got rid of Quin, who could they get that would unquestionably do a better job?
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Benjamin%20A.%20Sorensen"]Benjamin A. Sorensen[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531275903"]Sep 6, 2020 | 6:45 PM[/URL]
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Sloan should have been gone the first time he went from 1st to 3rd if not sooner. I think their Gleague coach was better. Maybe Jensen? Lots of people out there that can coach defense. I certainly don't think he's some defensive genius. Rudy made him look like one at times
[QUOTE]But I might be in the minority in saying that we should have gotten rid of Sloan earlier than we did. He was very stubborn and old school and still operating on the assumption that you should basically ignore the 3 ball on both ends of the floor. Obviously the 3 ball in 2005-2011 wasn’t what it is now but it was still an important – and growing – part of the game then.
(Also, I love Jerry. So many good memories. Please don’t misinterpret this comment as Jerry hate.)
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531277830"]Sep 6, 2020 | 7:57 PM[/URL]
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one of Jerry's problems sure. Let the other team dictate things. Never kept up with the times. His way or the highway. Had guys that could have helped that he wouldn't let play. Liked to foul!. His best coaching job was when he got away from the flex and built around the players he had.
[QUOTE][B]A lot of the problem with Sloan's teams was that Larry Miller didn't have the resources to put the right players around Stockton and Malone.[/B]
Out of financial necessity, the Jazz put together teams on the cheap for most of the careers of Stockton and Malone. Those teams were a lot like this year’s team for the Jazz—2 superstars/all stars, another 4-5 competent starters and/or rotation players, and then a bunch of G-League players. I remember Sloan talking about how the Jazz needed to play with the "next man up" mentality, but that was impossible with a bunch of "stiffs" in the starting lineup and on the bench. It was only when the Jazz got Hornacek and Antoine "Big Dawg" Carr, along with 3 or 4 other competent players that the team was able to get to the finals.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Fesenko%20for%20President"]Fesenko for President[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531286975"]Sep 7, 2020 | 9:34 AM[/URL]
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Miller had the resources. Didn't use them. Carr should have been gone after season 2. Was great for 1 year. Another problem they had was sticking with guys past their usefullness
[QUOTE]Who could they get that’s indisputably better? Who would we choose that’s a definite upgrade on Quin Snyder?
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Benjamin%20A.%20Sorensen"]Benjamin A. Sorensen[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531280849"]Sep 6, 2020 | 9:55 PM[/URL]
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anyone? What makes him so great? Without Gobert they have sucked! The hated Corbin did more with less
[QUOTE]Also – the minutes Niang was getting? C’mon…
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531283285"]Sep 7, 2020 | 4:15 AM[/URL]
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putting Niang back at the 3 especially. I love George too. He's had no problem playing rookies when they weren't ready before why did he not give those guys a look when defensively they might have made a difference.
[QUOTE]The series changed after Game 3 when [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/98772/michael-malone"]Mike Malone[/URL] moved [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/291442/torrey-craig"]Torrey Craig[/URL] and [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/299911/michael-porter-jr"]Michael Porter Jr.[/URL] to the bench and started [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246141/jerami-grant"]Jerami Grant[/URL] and [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/295647/monte-morris"]Monte Morris[/URL]. With those adjustments, [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/98772/michael-malone"]Malone[/URL] improved on one of their weaknesses and was able to attack the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Jazz[/URL] with a bigger focus on the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/295663/jamal-murray"]Jamal Murray[/URL]/[URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/295635/nikola-jokic"]Nikola Jokic[/URL] pick and roll.
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and they got bigger which was a Jazz weakness all year. Need a starting PF! Need a bigger guard next to Mitchell! Need more D. Need more depth! Need a new coach!
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/denver-nuggets"]Denver[/URL] used that pick and roll incessantly till it got them the come from behind series victory. Not only did [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/111859/quin-snyder"]Quin Snyder[/URL] resist any real changes to the lineup, he also should have played his starters for longer minutes. Outside of [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Rudy Gobert[/URL], [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/111859/quin-snyder"]Snyder[/URL] played all the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Jazz[/URL] starters below 40 minutes until Game 7. For context, in the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/toronto-raptors"]Raptors[/URL] Game 4 win over the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/boston-celtics"]Celtics[/URL], [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/199151/nick-nurse"]Nick Nurse[/URL] had [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/296659/kyle-lowry"]Kyle Lowry[/URL] play 43 minutes, [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/319732/fred-vanvleet"]Fred VanVleet[/URL] play 44 and [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276639/pascal-siakam"]Pascal Siakam[/URL] play 45.
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He should have looked to his young guys more. They add size and D
[QUOTE]It’s very unlikely [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Utah[/URL] makes any sort of change at coach, but this rigid refusal to adapt and game to game has got to change. I mean, maybe there will be a point where the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Jazz[/URL] could even make substitutions for a single possessions. One can dream.
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yeah Jerry even made changes even if he let the other team dictate those changes
[QUOTE][B]I have said that we should give him whatever necessary to keep him, and I stand by that.[/B]
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Kira%20Argonova"]Kira Argonova[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531277489"]Sep 6, 2020 | 7:43 PM[/URL]
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That's tough. Supermax is a lot but it's hard to imagine the Jazz being any good without him or getting enough in trade for him
[QUOTE]In reality I still hope for a Gobert trade, get some new offensive blood into it.
Get a team that has some cap space and a good #4, the pickup DFaves as the Starting Center on the MLE.
And strengthen the 6-10 rotation spots. Royce and Joe are not starters that the Jazz can contend for better things with.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/AdMan59"]AdMan59[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2020/9/6/21424566/nba-whats-next-for-the-utah-jazz-in-the-2020-offseason-free-agency-draft#531280921"]Sep 6, 2020 | 9:59 PM[/URL]
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They don't need more offense and Rudy is one of the best offensive players in the league! Royce and Joe can start or come off the bench. They shouldn't play as big of a role as they are though
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[QUOTE]It may very well have been scheming from the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/denver-nuggets"]Nuggets[/URL], along with some insane three point shooting from [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246131/nikola-jokic"]Jokic[/URL], that lessened [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert’s[/URL] impact, but it was hard not to see an up and down effort from [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL]. For multiple games [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL] looked invisible and then in Game 7 he dominated. If he had not played like he did in that Game 7, the narrative would have been that [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL] had checked out. That type of up and down production makes things tricky for the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Jazz[/URL].[/QUOTE]
scheming of the Jazz as well. They were giving Jokic room so they didn't get the 2 man thing going with Murray. Needed a PF. I liked when they had Morgan spend some possession on him and Gobert was able to roam more and protect the weak side
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Utah[/URL] faces an important offseason decision with [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL]. [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL] is eligible for a supermax extension after next season which Utah is not likely to offer. If it’s supermax or bust for [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297108/rudy-gobert"]Gobert[/URL], then we could see some sort of trade.[/QUOTE]
can't imagine that is the case. They can pay him more than other teams rather it's the full super max or not. Good luck without him
[QUOTE]Against elite defenders, [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246165/jordan-clarkson"]Clarkson[/URL] struggled at times to positively impact games, especially Game 6 and 7. How much of that was his fault is the question.[/QUOTE]
I like him fine when he's spotting up and plays within the offense. Unfortunately that is rare and mostly he thinks he is the only option n the floor no matter who else is out there. See ya!
[QUOTE][URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/298014/tony-bradley"]Tony Bradley[/URL] was not ready for the playoffs this season, and may never be. On top of that, [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Utah’s[/URL] offseason signing of [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/296641/ed-davis"]Ed Davis[/URL] was a massive disappointment. It’s a hole Utah has to fill. [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/utah-jazz"]Utah[/URL] could go after [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297094/derrick-favors"]Derrick Favors[/URL] this offseason to become the full time second-unit center. That may be the move that fixes the entire bench. Signing [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297094/derrick-favors"]Favors[/URL] would allow the second offense to center around the [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297999/joe-ingles"]Joe Ingles[/URL]/[URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297094/derrick-favors"]Derrick Favors[/URL] pick and roll that was so deadly the year before. [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297094/derrick-favors"]Favors[/URL] would also be a huge defensive upgrade.[/QUOTE]
I think Bradley held his own against Plumlee. He is the youngest guy on the team and improving. He can run the pick and roll. Was the best offensive rebounder in the league. Can shoot. Need a vet center to play behind him for insurance. It's what they needed this year not Davis
[QUOTE]Utah’s offense was not the problem against the Denver Nuggets. It was Utah’s defense that never found a way to consistently stop the Nuggets outside of two blowout victories.[/QUOTE]
exactly. Bojan fixes that?
[QUOTE][URL="https://theathletic.com/2043836/2020/09/04/this-wont-happen-again-painful-defeat-doesnt-shake-jazz-cores-confidence/"]Sources tell The Athletic the front office will likely bring the entirety of the core back for a second run next season.[/URL] Bogdanovic, Ingles and O’Neale are signed to longterm deals. Conley is very very likely to opt into the final season of his contract. Mitchell and the Jazz are likely to come to a max contract extension, once free agency hits.
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/2043836/2020/09/04/this-wont-happen-again-painful-defeat-doesnt-shake-jazz-cores-confidence/"]Tony Jones @ The Athletic[/URL]
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as expected since this is the Jazz unfortunately.
[QUOTE]Derrick Favors registered an 8-year low in scoring average in his only full pro season away from the Jazz. Reports are that he missed his teammates and role with the Jazz, who had to move him last summer to accommodate Bogdanovic’s signing. He’s interested in reprising his role as one of the league’s very best backup centers, and the Jazz could certainly use someone with his skill set. His paint protection numbers are among the league’s best — he has even edged ahead of Gobert some seasons — and he’s also an excellent rim finisher in P&R situations and from the “dunker.” In particular, he had excellent P&R chemistry with Ingles, a tandem that kept the bench unit’s offense afloat.
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no!
[QUOTE]If a Favors reunion doesn’t pan out, Mason Plumlee, Nerlens Noel and Willie Caulie-Stein will all be free agents. All three have excellent D-PIPM numbers and have already been playing a similar role of reserve bigs on playoff teams. Any of them would be a massive upgrade for Utah as backup bigs, and would probably come in a similar price range or cheaper. Christian Wood is another free agent big who can play both ends, although he might have expectations for a bigger role after being a part-time starter for Detroit last season.
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Wood could be their starting 4 which should be their main priority
[QUOTE][URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/"]Jacob[/URL] says:
[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-i-finding-a-paint-protecting-rim-finishing-big/#comment-99471"]September 8, 2020 at 3:18 pm[/URL]
I thought Tony played well most of the time – he is inexperienced and certainly made mistakes but his young legs seemed to get a lot of touches for the offense in the Denver series by tipping out rebounds. Getting Favors for 14 minutes at Center and 8 as a lane clogger is too much for the exception. I propose a trade between the 76ers and the Jazz should be the focus. Mike Conly for Tobias Harris – Conley and Harris match up well for salaries – the 76ers have a need for a better 1 and maybe looking to get out from under the Tobias experiment before having to be stuck for the next 4 years. Mitchell continues to play well with the ball in hand and defends the size of a 1 Better than most 2’s. Harris gives a better rebounder and proficient defender at the 4 AND stretches the floor more than Favors.[/QUOTE][URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-i-finding-a-paint-protecting-rim-finishing-big/?replytocom=99471#respond"]REPLY[/URL]
I've thought about that trade too. Makes a lot of sense. I'd also look to trade Bojan. Need a starting 4! A capable vet behind Bradley as should have been the case this year. O'Neale and Ingles could start or come off the bench depending on who else you get. A vet 1 to back up Mitchell or behind Mudiay if they keep him which I wouldn't mind. Goss wouldn't be bad 3rd pg if they get a vet behind Mitchell. Oni, Tucker and Brantley in the mix on the wing and possibly Wright Forman who has 6th man type potential and also the backup 4 for Brantley/Morgan/Niang
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[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-i-finding-a-paint-protecting-rim-finishing-big/#comment-99473"]September 8, 2020 at 3:43 pm[/URL]
Any chance we could package Connelly and some pics for Blake Griffen or Kevin Love
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Like the idea of Griffin too offensively he's a great fit. Injuries worry me with him and maybe D. D has to improve!
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-i-finding-a-paint-protecting-rim-finishing-big/[/url]
[QUOTE]With Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic as secondary stars and a couple of starter-caliber role players in Joe Ingles and Royce O’Neale, Utah’s core is good enough to compete with anybody. In their series against the No. 3-seeded Nuggets, the Jazz dominated whenever their best five players were involved (Bogdanovic missed the series with an injured wrist), but struggled to keep up when they had to rely on bench help.
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I don't think so. Need a starting 4. More size, D and depth
[QUOTE]Ideally, the Jazz would find someone to back up Gobert who can still affect shots in the paint. And as they learned through the failed Ed Davis experiment, it needs to be someone who can still finish on rim dives, or else their bench offense will rely far too much on iso scorers going 1-on-5. Bonus points if it’s someone who can score a little outside the paint, because that means you could buy them a few minutes each game next to Gobert.
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Bradley. A vet behind him for insurance. Not Davis
[QUOTE]That’s not all they need. They also were light on defensive wings to guard dudes with bigger bodies. They had to cross-match with smaller guys guarding bigger bodies in the playoffs, and Denver consistently attacking mismatches was a big key to how they erased Utah’s 3-1 lead to win the series. Especially as O’Neale was tasked with guarding Nuggets point guard Jamal Murray, it left Utah somewhat exposed on the wings defensively.
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If you have a real starting 4 O'Neale is covering the guy he is supposed to and Conley isn't guarding a PF
[QUOTE]If the Jazz can get a F.A.V.O.R.S. and a Big Wing, they would have a pretty solid 9-man rotation:
C: Gobert (34), F.A.V.O.R.S. (14)
PF: Bogdanovic (32), O’Neale (8), F.A.V.O.R.S. (8)
SF: O’Neale (18), Big Wing (20), Ingles (10)
SG: Mitchell (34), Ingles (14)
PG: Conley (28), Clarkson (20)
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Bojan and Ingles are even less of PF's than O'Neale. Need someone new there starting. Niang, Morgan and Brantley fighting to back him up. Clarkson at pg? :roll:
[QUOTE]Even if chasing a F.A.V.O.R.S and a Big Wing makes it harder for Utah to retain Clarkson, they should be OK. Clarkson was a godsend in December and January when the Jazz desperately needed shot creation, but if everybody’s healthy next year, Clarkson would be a fourth ball-handling guard, and that’s a spot you can generally fill pretty cheaply with a net positive guy to soak up a few minutes. The Jazz would prefer to keep Clarkson, but if the math gets tough, there are alternatives out there.
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better without Clarkson. Rather have Mudiay and Wright Forman cheap than him
[QUOTE]This would give the Jazz a similar construct to what other contending teams have: starpower at the top, with a couple of complementary quasi-stars, but also the ability to go 8 or 9 deep with quality, rotation-caliber players Quin Snyder could trust in a playoff series. Guys like Georges Niang and Tony Bradley would still get opportunities here and there, but they’d return to the 10th/11th man type roles they’re probably better suited for on a contending team.
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Bradley is 22! He got better all year. He is cheap. Great offensive rebounder. Can shoot the 3. Run pick and roll. You don't sit a young guy like him on the end of the bench. He should be with the Stars, rotation or another team. Love Niang but Morgan and Brantley might be better. Tucker and Oni should be in the mix on the wing as well as Brantley too. They all play D!
[QUOTE]The Bucks would likely face competition in any pursuit of Paul. [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/9/21429212/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency"]League sources say the Sixers front office has seriously debated the idea of chasing CP3.[/URL] The Knicks, in desperate need of a player to lure prospective free agents, could also make a run at him after his former agent, Leon Rose, took over as team president. But there likely won’t be a lot of suitors for Paul. Not many teams need a point guard, nevermind an old one with an injury history making $41.4 million in 2020-21 with a player option to make $44.2 million in 2021-22. Paul proved this season he’s still a damn good player, but that doesn’t mean many teams want him.
– via [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/9/21429212/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency"]Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer[/URL]
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Would one of them want Conley instead?
[QUOTE]It’s more likely that the Bucks will explore the trade market. But Milwaukee lacks trade assets—it has first-round picks only in 2020 (no. 24, via Indiana), 2024, and 2026, and the only promising young player on the team younger than 30 (besides Giannis, 25, and Khris Middleton, 29) is Donte DiVincenzo, who projects as a likely role player. [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/9/21429212/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency"]League sources also expect a quiet trade market.[/URL] Could Mike Conley be acquired from the Jazz? Or Jrue Holiday from the Pelicans? Maybe in NBA 2K, but not for what the Bucks can offer.
– via [URL="https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/9/21429212/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency"]Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer[/URL]
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The trade that was shown earlier makes some sense. Maybe get a 3rd team involved for Bledsoe?
[QUOTE]Let’s bring in Captain Obvious to discuss one possibility: Paul to the Bucks. A package from Milwaukee might be the Thunder’s best case with the Point God, despite his awesome 2019-20 season, simply because he’s making such a huge number (over $41 million next year) at an advanced age. [URL="https://*********.com/2020/09/09/nba-rumors-giannis-antetokounmpo-mike-budenholzer-bucks-future/"]Even with Paul’s giant salary and the Bucks’ luxury tax concerns (if they remain concerns after what last year’s penny-pinching brought them), a deal is possible if the Bucks guarantee Ersan Ilyasova’s contract.[/URL] Eric Bledsoe, Ilyasova, Robin Lopez (presuming he opts in), D.J. Wilson and the Bucks pick at 24 in the first round would form the salary match, with the fine print being haggling over additional assets and/or Donte DiVincenzo.
– via [URL="https://*********.com/2020/09/09/nba-rumors-giannis-antetokounmpo-mike-budenholzer-bucks-future/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]
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Ilasova could start and Lopez(I'd guess he'd opt out and want to play though?) could play behind Bradley. If you get DiVencenzo it would look real good
Trade machine doesn't work but if you include Hill instead of Bledsoe and Giannis's brother it's over 28 million to Conley's 32 . Illasoya starts. Hill starter at 2 or backup at 1 and 2. Donte in the mix at the 2. I'd think O'Neale takes one spot and maybe Oni or Brantley with Ingles off the bench might make sense. Lopez as backup or 3rd center. Wilson could fight Niang/Brantley/Morgan for the backup minutes at the 4. Looks like Matthews, Korver, Brown and Connaughton could opt in and be part of it to. Bucks keep Bledsoe to possibly trade elsewhere in this scenario. two firsts could maybe move up? Jazz would have a lot of players and look to do more hopefully with Bojan and Ed Davis and also a bunch of partial/non guaranteed contracts and no more need for Clarakson not like there should be anyway.
[URL]https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/09/dennis-lindsey-justin/[/URL]
[QUOTE]“The only thing that I would emphasize is that going from good to great is really hard. And there’s a lot of other teams that are trying to do the same thing,” said general manager Justin Zanik. “We just can commit to our fans and to our groups that support us that we will stop at nothing to try and reach that goal.”
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It's really tough when you try to do it without a PF and 6 rookies who you won't play
[QUOTE]A year ago, the Jazz were pretty thoroughly dismantled by the Rockets, to the point that it was apparent that Utah’s elite-defense/manufactured-offense organizational approach had run its course and was due for an overhaul.
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whoever thought Ricky and Favors spotting up in the corner was a good idea to begin with shouldn't have a job
[QUOTE]Of course, not having Conley for the first two games of the Nuggets series ([URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/08/16/utah-jazz-point-guard/"]as he attended to the birth of his child[/URL]) and not having Bogdanovic for any of those seven games (as [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/05/18/utah-jazzs-bojan/"]he recovered from season-ending wrist surgery[/URL]) proved an impediment to such progress. Still, while Lindsey noted that, in particular, Bogey’s absence deprived the Jazz of “another person to help us close those close games,” he was not about to play the woe-is-me card.
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Problem was defense, size, depth and coaching. Other than depth not sure how Bojan helps?
[QUOTE]“Those aren’t excuses why we lost the series. We had more than enough to compete with,” Lindsey added.
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probably too bad your handpicked coach refused to use them. Maybe if they'd went to Duke!
[QUOTE]While [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/01/donovan-mitchell-jamal/"]All-Star guard Donovan Mitchell took a transcendent leap into superstardom[/URL] during the series, and while big man Rudy Gobert had his moments, and while [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/11/30/bojan-bogdanovic-has-been/"]Bogdanovic was every bit the secondary offensive option the front office hoped for[/URL], and while Conley eventually found his way into being a solid contributor, the depth that the organization envisioned when it brought in Ed Davis, Jeff Green, and Emmanuel Mudiay last summer never really materialized — to the point that coach Quin Snyder was effectively playing a seven-man rotation by the end of the Denver series.
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Don't forget the 6 rookies! They needed a starting 4 not Ed Davis. Green could have been alright in a minor role as Mudiay was when he got the chance. Depth? :roll:
[QUOTE]“We lost some defensive integrity, some activity, some deflections,” Lindsey said. “… So it’s an adjustment, and we’ll see. But anybody who has defensive integrity at their position, can be an active, athletic defender will be someone that would be of interest to us, especially if they don’t compromise the spacing.”
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exactly! Bojan, Conley and Clarkson might not fit that though
[QUOTE]Given Conley’s likely decision to opt in to the final year of his contract, plus sizable extensions due Mitchell and Gobert, not to mention the cost of potentially retaining [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/12/24/jazz-trade-dante-exum-two/"]midseason acquisition and bench sparkplug Jordan Clarkson[/URL], the Jazz are probably not in position to make the same kind of big-swing, all-in moves they made a year ago.
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all in with 6 rookies and no PF!
[QUOTE]Which means that, unless they do something unexpected and drastic, they’ll have the NBA Draft, the midlevel exception, the bi-annual exception, veteran minimum deals and internal improvement as the primary options to try and put together a more passable supporting cast for 2021.
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have the partial/non guaranteed contracts. Sign and trades for their free agents. Plenty of ways to get better. But it's the Jazz and they will remain pat for the most part and talk a lot
[QUOTE]“We’ll exhaust all of those possibilities,” Lindsey said.
“What we need to do is look everywhere,” Zanik agreed.
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of course! :lol
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/9/21429037/rudy-gobert-donovan-mitchell-contract-extension-utah-jazz-dennis-lindsey-justin-zanik-nba[/url]
[QUOTE]“I’m limited on what I can say in regards to extensions and renegotiations per NBA rules. With that said, we’re extremely pleased at who both of those players are as people,” Lindsey said. “It’s really, really hard to get core franchise-level talent in any market, big or small, but it’s exponentially hard to get that level of talent that has a high level of character and competitiveness. As I’ve mentioned before, we’re working to add players of Rudy and Donovan’s physical talent and competitive makeup and so by definition we’re going to want to keep those type of players moving forward.”
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Wish that had been the philosophy when Millsap was here. Who knows where the team would have went :cry:
[QUOTE]There is a level of understanding regarding the Jazz roster in Orlando and the fact that missing Bojan Bogdanovic for the postseason and Mike Conley for the first two games of the series against the Denver Nuggets was a blow to continuity.
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excuses
[QUOTE]The bubble experience has led to a lot of interesting data, but none so interesting to the Jazz front office as the physical fitness and well-being of the players when travel is reduced. Lindsey noted that using that information for the future and moving toward an MLB-series style of play, where teams stay in one market to play multiple games, could be beneficial.
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interesting
[QUOTE]Personally, I’d stick to option 1. A Favors-level acquisition up front does more to bump Utah’s title odds than the difference between Holiday and (for example) Harrison or Lee in the 8th man role. If the Jazz struck out with impact bigs, they could rethink and pivot toward Holiday or the split-MLE option.
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I'd stick with Bradley and get him a cheap mentor
Need a starting 4. That should be the main goal for the off season. Everything after that is gravy
[QUOTE]Whatever way they do it, a rim-finishing, paint-protecting big and one more big bodied defensive wing would make all the difference for Utah. Let’s say for the sake of argument that they added Favors as Gobert’s backup and then staggered the two for 3-4 minutes together per half, and also added Harrison as their defensive wing.
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They fixed the offense finally and we want Favors spotting up in the corner again?
[QUOTE]But some version of that rotation works. That roster has everything. Size. Defense. Playmaking. Shooting. 48 minutes of P&R finishing and rim protection. Multiple guys who excel at guarding the ball. They can go big or go small. They can go defense-heavy or put five scorers on the court together.
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It doesn't have a starting PF. Defense? Maybe? Shooting with Favors wide open and his man doubling Mitchell or Gobert again?
[QUOTE]And most importantly, they can compete with anybody when healthy.
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not without more size, D and depth. You haven't answered it. you went back in time again. Maybe they can get Ricky too!
[QUOTE]LKA says:
[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-ii-big-wings-who-can-defend-shoot/#comment-99478"]September 9, 2020 at 10:52 am[/URL]
Again great post. They have changed dates so much when does free agency start? I would go for Favors and Clarkston first in that order. With some work I think Jazz SLC guys would be the best fit and cheapest too. With that Bradley, Williams, Niang, Davis should be expendable. Should be interesting. Jazz fans should not feel so bad about the playoffs. I think Bucks and maybe Toronto are sheding big tears. Dont want Boston or either LA teams. Heat are the surprise team. In this pandemic please keep the articles comming.Thanks again.
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Bradley is expendable if he's not going to be playing. Stupid! Davis needs to go somehow. Niang and Goss in the right scenario. They are depth pieces at worst. Niang is one of their best offensive players. He can actually spot up in the corner and make the shot!
[QUOTE]Dan Clayton says:
[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-ii-big-wings-who-can-defend-shoot/#comment-99485"]September 9, 2020 at 12:44 pm[/URL]
That is a rumor and nothing more. That would be a terrible trade for Utah. Randle doesn’t do any of the things that teams with a modern mindset (like Utah) want from their bigs. And it wouldn’t “save cap space” anyway. Either way, the Jazz will be over the cap and operating with their salary cap exceptions, so it doesn’t really matter from a $ perspective.
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Favors has the modern mindset? Too bad he can't hit an open 3!
[QUOTE]Michael Brown says:
[URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-ii-big-wings-who-can-defend-shoot/#comment-99486"]September 9, 2020 at 1:26 pm[/URL]
1. Serge Ibaka (FA)
2. Marcus Morris (FA)
3. Danillo Gallinari (FA)
4. Nemanja Bjelica (NG)
5. Christian Wood (FA)
6. Jerami Grant (FA)
7. Montrezl Harrell (FA)
8. Derrick Favors (FA)
9 David Bertans (FA) (the best defense is the best offense >;) )
10. Bobby Portis (FA)
These should be our only options if we are gonna go after someone. Stretch 4 is the key and pushes us to the next lvl.
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Wow I'm not the only one paying attention. Need a starting 4. Worry about the rest when that is taken care of. If it means dealing Conley or Bojan do it! No again on Favors though
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-ii-big-wings-who-can-defend-shoot/[/url]
[QUOTE]The remaining list is a who’s who of the league’s best two-way talents and/or top 3-and-D prototypes. The list features All-Stars like (in descending D-PIPM order) Kawhi Leonard, Pascal Siakam, Khris Middleton, James Harden, Gordon Hayward and LeBron James. It also features known 3-and-D weapons like Wesley Matthews, O.G. Anunoby, Trevor Ariza and Gary Harris. Then there are up-and-comers like Matysse Thybulle, Bruce Brown and Brandon Clarke. It’s an impressive group.
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2 former Jazzmen
[QUOTE]But only one person from that list of two-way difference-making wings is a 2020 free agent: Milwaukee’s Sterling Brown. (Note: he’s a restricted free agent.)
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didn't hit 3's though he's been decent in the past
[QUOTE]Teams with title aspirations often focus their search on the veteran specialists in any given role. Matthews is the best of the aging 3-and-D options, with an elite D-PIPM and excellent on-ball numbers. But he will only decline his $2.7 million option if it means more money elsewhere, and I’m not sure how high Utah would bid for the 34-year-old. Similarly, the 35-year-old Ariza will hit free agency only if Portland decides to cut costs — only $1.8 million of his $12.2 million salary is guaranteed. If he winds up on the market, he’ll have other suitors.
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Jazz should be in line. Ariza could start at the 4
[QUOTE]Justin Holiday fits the 3-and-D prototype perfectly, and is younger than Matthews and Ariza. But Holiday plays starter-type minutes for Indiana. It would probably require the full MLE — and a reallocation of wing minutes — to get him. Kent Bazemore is overpaid on his current deal, but he’ll be a free agent after another nice defensive season (+1.91 D-PIPM) in a limited role. Courtney Lee is an established 3-and-D guy who played with Conley in Memphis, but he’s about to turn 35 and has played sparingly the last two season.
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look good
[QUOTE]There are plenty of younger wings who have shown defensive abilities, too. That’s where Sterling Brown comes in, but two other semi-realistic RFA wing options are Wesley Iwundu and Shaquille Harrison. Both are solid defenders with NBA size, length and builds, with improving 3-point shots (38% for Harrison last year, 34% for Iwundu). Their NBA bodies and defensive peskiness intrigue me, and yet both have had inconsistent roles with their current teams, which could indicate that they might be gettable. (More reading on [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/how-bulls-shaq-harrison-impacts-games-even-limited-playing-time"]Harrison[/URL] and [URL="https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2020/01/08/wesley-iwundu-stayed-ready-orlando-magic-needed/"]Iwundu[/URL]‘s defense.)
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no on 34 % unless he's cheap depth
[QUOTE]Other RFA wings are less realistic. Taurean Prince is an above-average defender and a decent outside shooter, but Brooklyn will match reasonable offers. Same goes for Kris Dunn, a wing stopper whose wingspan somewhat makes up for his 6-foot-3 height and shaky shooting, but who Chicago would prefer to keep. Fellow Bull RFA Denzel Valentine is a little small too, but has shown some defensive ability off and on, and he’s a better spot-up shooter.
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Dun was available for a long time. Who knows with a new coach. Prince didn't shoot great but has done in the past. Same with Valentine
[QUOTE]If Utah wants to avoid the RFA drama, there are other UFA veterans with positive defensive value. Moe Harkless and Wilson Chandler are hybrid forwards with experience, but they’re not exactly 1-on-1 stoppers, and both in the low 30s on catch-and-shoot 3s. Andre Roberson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and DeMarre Carroll are plus defenders, but all are occasionally left alone by defenses because they’re not outside threats. Evan Turner, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Jakarr Sampson and Corey Brewer have all seen their roles decline for the same reason. Jae Crowder is not really a wing and not really a stopper, but he knows Utah’s philosophy — if they could afford him after a stellar postseason.
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problem with Jae is he might end up starting and shooting 8 3's a game again. Can't trust Snyder
[QUOTE]Utah could also look at drafting someone who they felt filled the profile of a solid defender with catch-and-shoot skills, although very few rookies contribute meaningfully in year one. Or they might feel as though Miye Oni or Jarrell Brantley could slide into that role, but so far there is limited evidence that either is ready to be the 8th or 9th best guy on a title-contending outfit.
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I think them, Tucker and Morgan should all be in the mix for sure. They defend and have shooting ability. Might have beat Denver if they'd been in the mix
[QUOTE]Basically, the options are:
[/QUOTE]There's plenty of options. These are probably most likely for a team without vision
[QUOTE]Utah Jazz coach [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]Quin Snyder gave two donations worth $500 each to Burgess Owens, the Republican candidate in Utah’s tight 4th Congressional District race.[/URL] The donations are likely to surprise some given the public stances of the two men.
– via [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]Salt Lake Tribune[/URL]
Owens has criticized those stances. [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]He’s called Black Lives Matter a “Marxist organization,” and told Fox News that “We need to fight for our country against these Marxists and these bullies and cowards that are destroying everything they touch.”[/URL] Owens also spoke out against the NBA’s protests.
– via [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]Salt Lake Tribune[/URL]
[URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]The Salt Lake Tribune learned that Snyder and Owens met Feb. 21, when a nonprofit founded by Owens, Second Chance 4 Youth, attended a Jazz game against the Spurs.[/URL] Later, Owens asked Snyder for a donation, which he delivered twice: one $500 donation on May 3, and another $500 on June 3, according to campaign disclosures.
– via [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/11/utah-jazzs-quin-snyder/"]Salt Lake Tribune[/URL]
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Can you fire his ass now?
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/11/21432622/julius-randle-trade-rumors-utah-jazz[/url]
[QUOTE]But come on, the Utah Jazz did not trade two 1st round picks for [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/297138/mike-conley"]Mike Conley[/URL] just to turn around and trade him for [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/298523/julius-randle"]Julius Randle[/URL]. I mean, Dennis Lindsey literally just said in an interview that they are looking for guys with defensive integrity and athleticism. Does that sound like [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/299607/julius-randle"]Julius Randle[/URL] to you?
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Does it sound like Conley or Bojan? Randle isn't my first choice but they need a 4 so Id rather have him than Conley at this stage
[QUOTE]I really like the idea of Gordon on the jazz (he’s the player I wanted UTA to target last year) but I don’t know if ORL will trade him for what UTA could offer. Maybe ORL would want Conley for a year to further Fultz’s development but I doubt it. Matching salaries would also be tricky.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Palmetto%20Bug"]Palmetto Bug[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/11/21432622/julius-randle-trade-rumors-utah-jazz#531440647"]Sep 11, 2020 | 11:22 AM[/URL]
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makes more sense for Bojan. His shooting worries me. If they think they can improve that than sure. Tobias than Portis would probably be my first two choices
[QUOTE][h=4]Any team that doesn’t want Bertan on their roster is stupid[/h]
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/J-Note"]J-Note[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/11/21432622/julius-randle-trade-rumors-utah-jazz#531441410"]Sep 11, 2020 | 11:42 AM[/URL]
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does he improve the defense? The offense isn't a problem. Need to fix the D and not give up spacing. Lindsey even seems to get it. Be surprised if he fixes it though
[QUOTE]It ain’t going to happen because NYK isn’t that dumb. Conley and his contract have negative value right now. The only way we are getting out of having to pay him another $34.5m is if we give up a bunch of assets (i.e. picks/young players) to convince someone to take him. Not worth it.
Just ride this puppy out. If anything, his value in the trade market will be more valuable (less negative) at the trade deadline. By then, teams that know they aren’t going to make the playoffs anyway will be willing to take him on just to dump salary at the end of the season. Also, at that point we will have a better idea of the value of this year’s draft picks because they will be actual players by then.
If the Jazz really want to trade Conley, wait until the trade deadline to do it.
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Kira%20Argonova"]Kira Argonova[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/11/21432622/julius-randle-trade-rumors-utah-jazz#531442261"]Sep 11, 2020 | 12:04 PM[/URL]
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expiring contract.
[QUOTE][h=4]crowder really is the only one to miss[/h]
and everyone hated him anyway lol
hes also the only one you can really call a back court player
tho the jazz prolly woulda drafted a backcourt player if they kept the pick (just not clarke cuz he woulda been gone)
Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/letter%20to%20the%20Corinthians"]letter to the Corinthians[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/2020/9/11/21432622/julius-randle-trade-rumors-utah-jazz#531447754"]Sep 11, 2020 | 2:44 PM[/URL]
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Didn't miss Crowder's 8 2's a game and yes he isn't really a 4 either
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/15/21436850/utah-jazz-nba-quin-snyder-justin-zanik-dennis-lindsey-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert[/url]
[QUOTE]“The one thing we were missing was Bojan’s ability to score over the top of the defense in a simple and very efficient way,” Lindsey said.
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offense isn't the issue!
[QUOTE]Some questions will have to be answered during the offseason about the back half of the rotation, but those aren’t generally factors that vault a team from good to great. A big X-factor that can, though, is luck. Whether fortunate or unfortunate, a lot of things have to break right for a team to be great once it has good enough players in place to be successful.
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can't hope for luck with 6 rookies and no PF
[QUOTE]Green has value on both ends of the court because of his versatility to guard multiple positions. On offense, he is an ideal bench option, averaging 6.8 points on 38.7% from 3. [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/29887390/next-la-clippers-paul-george-future-three-key-free-agents"]Don’t be surprised if Green sees offers for all or most of the $9.3 million midlevel exception. He would be a good fit in Portland, especially if Carmelo Anthony does not return[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/29887390/next-la-clippers-paul-george-future-three-key-free-agents"]Bobby Marks @ ESPN[/URL]
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Makes sense for the Jazz but they haven't seemed interested in the past
[url]https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/16/analysis-with-nuggets/[/url]
[QUOTE][h=1]Analysis: With Nuggets’ conquest of Clippers, are the Utah Jazz closer to next level than we thought?[/QUOTE][/h]
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Who knows? A starting PF and some vets instead of rookies the coach won't play might have made all the difference in the world. A new coach and front office might as well. You've got one of the few guys in the league that has been able to single handedly carry a team the past 5 plus years
[/CENTER][QUOTE]After all, the Jazz held a 3-1 lead over the Nuggets and a 15-point advantage in the second half of Game 5, they were [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/01/live-utah-jazz-take/"]a Mike Conley 3-pointer at the buzzer of Game 7 away from salvaging the surrendered advantage[/URL]. And they did it all without their second-best offensive player, as Bojan Bogdanovic missed the entire seven games due to wrist surgery.
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2nd leading scorer not 2nd best offensive player though he might be after Rudy
[QUOTE]Meanwhile, with the Clippers employing the traditional paint-bound Ivica Zubac and the rim-running Montrezl Harrell as their two primary bigs, Rudy Gobert would theoretically have had more of a defensive impact, given his increased ability to patrol the lane, rather than chase another 5-out center around the 3-point line.
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and less impact on the offensive end with those guys defending him instead of Jokic?
[QUOTE]Certainly, it’s no stretch to say that the Lakers would have been an exceedingly difficult matchup for Utah. Los Angeles' length and sized proved problematic for the Jazz in both regular-season games and the one restart seeding matchup they faced off in — all of which were won by the Lakers.
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Maybe small ball could have hurt the Lakers too?
[QUOTE]That’s not a terribly compelling résumé for being legit contenders. Also, let’s not forget that this roster has certifiable deficiencies in terms of perimeter defense, [URL="https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2020/09/12/analysis-might-utah-jazz/"]a consistent backup for Gobert[/URL] and a dearth of depth — factors that played a significant role late against Denver.
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Again no mention of a starting PF. Quit blaming their problems on the youngest guy on the team who lead the league in offensive rebound % and is improving rapidly. They need defenders. They Need size. They need depth
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/15/21436850/utah-jazz-nba-quin-snyder-justin-zanik-dennis-lindsey-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert[/url]
[QUOTE]The queries have come as the Jazz have made the leap from bad to good under Snyder and Lindsey, improving from a 38-44 record in the 2014-15 season — Snyder’s first — to 51-31 two seasons later. In addition to more wins, Utah made the second round of the playoffs in 2017 and 2018.
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Trying helps. After that first season where they were the 6th best team in the league after Kanter was traded and it officially became Rudy's team though that started in December they added Neto and Pleiss. Not the veteran pg they desperately needed though rookie Neto was better than Burke as we knew from the first time he stepped on the court in summer league and Exum. Finally added 3rd stringer Mack who made a huge difference but it was too little too late! With Hayward becoming a free agent they finally add some help for Rudy and thanks to Favors injury and Hood sucking we finally got a glimpse of what they could be with 4 guys spacing the floor around Rudy. So what do they do? Trash that and replace Hill with Rubio and put Favors and Hood back in the starting lineup! After two years of that they finally fix the offense with guess what 4 shooters around Rudy! Unfortunately they did it with no PF, little D, depth, vets and the same coach! :facepalm
[QUOTE]So, first and foremost, the Jazz’s most likely path to greatness is that Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert take more steps forward after being named All-Stars this season. Mitchell needs to be among the NBA’s elite scorers and Gobert needs to remain among the top defenders in the league.
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Mitchell needs to be one of the best players in the league like Rudy which means becoming more efficient and playing at least some D
[QUOTE]“The one thing we were missing was Bojan’s ability to score over the top of the defense in a simple and very efficient way,” Lindsey said.
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offense wasn't the problem. How are these guys in charge?
[QUOTE]Some questions will have to be answered during the offseason about the back half of the rotation, but those aren’t generally factors that vault a team from good to great. A big X-factor that can, though, is luck. Whether fortunate or unfortunate, a lot of things have to break right for a team to be great once it has good enough players in place to be successful.
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giving the money to Ed instead of a starting pf and carrying 6 rookies instead of vets who Snyder wouldn't play because they didn't go to Duke has nothing to do with luck!
[url]https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/09/17/nba-draft-2020-biggest-needs-western-conference-franchise/15/[/url]
[QUOTE][h=5]Biggest needs: Point guard/shooting guard and power forward[/h][/QUOTE]
got one of them right anyway. starting PF PF PF PF PF!!!!!!
[QUOTE]Considering that Conley had his struggles fitting in this past season, it won’t be surprising if Utah goes for another ball-handler. That was a major problem in the Denver series, with the Jazz not having many players who can create their own offense.
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how can anyone watch and think they need more offense?
[QUOTE]Upgrading the frontcourt could also help but when your star guard averaged 37 ppg and your team still loses, giving Mitchell help should be of huge priority for Utah. Maybe Utah can find another gem to propel themselves to the western conference finals, and eventually, get their revenge on Denver.
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and Conley over 20, Rudy at 17 and whatever Clarkson put up. D fense D fense D fense!!!
[QUOTE][URL="https://theathletic.com/2075676/2020/09/18/from-the-nba-draft-to-free-agency-a-primer-for-the-utah-jazz-offseason/"]This is Utah’s main use of finding a guy who can slide into its rotation. Obviously, there is significant Derrick Favors speculation here. Here’s the deal. There is mutual interest.[/URL] Favors would not mind a return to Utah, even if it means coming off the bench as Gobert’s primary backup. But, at this point, that’s all it is … interest. The Jazz have to decide whether Favors would be the right place to spend their most significant chunk of offseason money, especially considering finding a 3-and-D wing is of greater priority. Favors will have multiple suitors on the market, including his incumbent team, the New Orleans Pelicans. So, there’s a lot that can happen between now and the opening of free agency.
– via [URL="https://theathletic.com/2075676/2020/09/18/from-the-nba-draft-to-free-agency-a-primer-for-the-utah-jazz-offseason/"]Tony Jones @ The Athletic[/URL]
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starting PF or STFU!!!!!!!!
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/18/21444607/how-the-utah-jazz-can-bolster-their-bench-this-offseason-2020[/url]
[QUOTE]SALT LAKE CITY — Entering the 2019-2020 season, one of the narratives surrounding the Utah Jazz was the notion that they would have good depth after signing players such as Jeff Green and Ed Davis in free agency.
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that's the narrative every year and it's rarely true. This year they especially looked thin and that was before Green and Davis didn't work out and they ended up with 6 rookies not playing
[QUOTE]That proved to not be the case, as Green and Davis were an utter failure. Additionally, a third offseason signee, Emmanuel Mudiay, had a few good moments but nothing great and returnee Dante Exum was traded at Christmastime after once again not being impactful because of injury.
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Exum sucks. could e stop with the narative it was because of injury! Mudiay was fine for a minumum wage end of the rotation guy. Needed more of them not 6 rookies not from Duke
[QUOTE]The good news for the Jazz was that the unit of Donovan Mitchell, Joe Ingles, Royce O’Neale, Bojan Bogdanovic and Rudy Gobert [URL="https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season"]was arguably the best 5-man unit in the entire league[/URL] with a net rating of 13.7 in 570 minutes, and the one replacing Ingles with Mike Conley wasn’t too far behind, with a net rating of 9.7 in 381 minutes.
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I bet the rating wasn't that good against the best competition. They beat up on crappy teams again
[QUOTE]Yes, Bogdanovic, Conley, Ingles, Mitchell, Gobert and O’Neale will all be back next season barring a wholly unexpected shakeup, but the Jazz could still stand to improve their second unit this offseason. The good news for them is that they have a couple of avenues to do so.
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starting PF!
[QUOTE]While not an improvement per se, the most important step for the bench surely is bringing back Clarkson, who is an unrestricted free agent. The marriage between he and Utah was a good one for both sides after the trade, and the Jazz will be able to offer him more money than any other team (they hold what is known as his Bird rights).
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2nd step is letting him go!
[QUOTE]While the hope of Utah’s front office surely would be that they can add a few quality free agents using the exceptions, there are also a bevy of players who could provide internal improvement. Tony Bradley came out of nowhere this season to be a relatively productive backup center, but can he continue to get even better?
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youngest guy on the team who got better all year. Why wouldn't he?
[QUOTE]Additionally, there are a whole bunch of guys [URL="https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/7/31/21345012/in-the-nba-bubble-the-young-players-at-the-end-of-the-utah-jazz-bench-are-more-important-than-ever"]who played mostly with the Salt Lake City Stars[/URL] who could theoretically improve to the point of becoming a rotation regular next season. Morgan is certainly the most likely candidate after filling in well enough for Bogdanovic in the playoffs, but could players such as Jarrell Brantley and Miye Oni take steps forward?
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Brantley seems most likely and Tucker should be in the mix as well. Could improve their D!
[QUOTE]The last item in reshaping the bench is figuring out what needs are left after the seeming likelihood that Mudiay will depart in free agency and that the Jazz could look to trade Davis for a bit of salary relief, even if all they get in return is something like a second-round draft pick.
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They aren't getting anything for Davis. they are giving something to get rid of him!
[QUOTE]The Jazz certainly signed those end-of-bench rookies with the hope that at least of them would turn into a rotation player over time, but I’d probably suggest more patience here. Going from a 15th-man type role to being in the rotation is a big jump. If they felt like any of those guys was close to helping a contender, then at least one of them would have hit 200 minutes at some point. None did, even with extra minutes as Utah began resting rotation players down the stretch. (In Brantley’s case, he didn’t even reach 100 season minutes.)
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they can help
[QUOTE]Brantley will become a RFA if the Jazz first offer him a second two-way contract with $50,000 guaranteed salary. Then, he can either accept that contract offer and return on a two-way, or enter free agency and see if he can get an offer from someone for a standard NBA deal that the Jazz could decide whether to match. Oni and Tucker are both under contract for next season, but without full guarantees. Oni is reportedly fully non-guaranteed, while $340,000 of Tucker’s salary is already locked in.
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1st team all gleague. He's done what he can there. Needs a shot at a rotation somwhere
[QUOTE][I][B]If you could teleport one previous non All-Star Jazz man from before 2010 onto this team, who would it be and why? @jarommoore[/B][/I]
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Millsap
[QUOTE]I love Harrison (as stated above), but I think of him more as a wing. If we’re talking about the third string, cheap backup point guard options are relatively easy to come by. D.J. Agustin, E’Twaun Moore, Yogi Ferrell, Shabazz Napier, or frankly even Raul Neto. Or yeah, to your point, they could use the 11th through 15th man spots on some young guys who have potential, so that if one of them hits they might get a future rotation player out of it. That’s how Utah has been using its deep bench roles recently.
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Neto wasn't appreciated first time around
[QUOTE]The Jazz had a miss-matched roster last year with three starting non-shooters but panicked and swung way too far in the other direction. Now they have too many ball-dominant guards and not enough defense. Had we simply signed Bogdanovic and let Rubio go then made the Clarkson trade we would have had great balance and complementary skills.
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They didn't panic. They waited 2 years to do what was obvious. Did a horrible jobe filling in the rest of the roster
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-qa-gobert-extension-more/[/url]
[QUOTE]That said, forking over the supermax (a contract starting at 35% of the team salary cap) for someone who’s not a perennial MVP candidate can be pretty limiting. So what does Utah do with all of that? I have no clue. I wouldn’t fault them for erring on the side of rewarding their player. I also wouldn’t fault them if they were able to give him a little less without making him feel unappreciated. It doesn’t sound as though Gobert himself is obsessed with the supermax as a validation of his worth.
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Pay him more than other teams can offer and hope it's enough. If he's smart he leaves and goes where they will put a team around him
[QUOTE]So to answer your broader question here: I quite like Utah’s core. They are entering a period where they’ll be capped out for the foreseeable future and their only way to get better will be smart upgrades on the margins. That’s difficult, but every team deals with that as they rise to contender status, because great players get paid. They’re in good shape, but nailing those complementary roster moves is going to become increasingly important. Hopefully the Jazz can become a destination for useful veterans, the way other small markets like Milwaukee and San Antonio did once they became elite.
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they never have been able to fill the margins. Doesn't sound like this off season will be any different either
[QUOTE]I hear you. I am [URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-targets-part-i-finding-a-paint-protecting-rim-finishing-big/"]pro-Favors[/URL], too, and the possibility of him returning is real. That said, if Gobert gets anything close to the supermax and Favors gets the full MLE, then you’re spending $45 million on the center position. So I get why it’s worth thinking about how that move fits in the broader prioritization of things. Really what it comes down to is this: the Jazz have a couple different needs to address and a finite number of tools they can use to address them. Favors at the full MLE might wind up being the right answer, but it depends on how the market plays out relative to their other needs. Which leads right into the next couple of questions…
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Bradley and a cheap vet behind him. **** Favors!
[QUOTE]They’d probably need to buy Favors 3-4 minutes per half alongside Gobert, just to get his minute total to a range where he’d be satisfied. But it certainly wouldn’t need to be during the opening minutes of halves. A few nightly minutes at power forward would bring Favors’ average to 20-22 (more if Gobert misses any time), and that’s probably appropriate.
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no thanks!
[QUOTE]As for Davis, he just didn’t work out, and I don’t think he has a future role with the Jazz. If they can’t move him, they’ll just eat his remaining $5 million and either let him hang at the end of the bench or let him walk. They’ll try to move off that $5 million, but if they’re able to move him, it will probably be for someone else’s distressed asset. For example, Toronto isn’t really using Stanley Johnson, a big wing who hasn’t lived up to his defensive reputation and who doesn’t shoot well. If Johnson opts into his $3.8 million next season (which he almost surely will), the Raptors might want to move him. And who knows, maybe they’d prefer a deep bench center at $5M over a deep bench wing at nearly $4M. It’s hard to say. But that’s the best case scenario in a Davis trade: swapping Utah’s non-rotation veteran for somebody else’s non-rotation veteran.
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or throwing in assets for someone to take him or eating his contrat which is unlikely
[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259635/Jazz-Could-Buy-Into-Second-Round-Of-2020-Draft-Have-Interest-In-Derrick-Favors-Reunion[/url]
Yay more 2nd rounders that won't play and probably won't even have a gleague to play in!
Hopefully someone wants to pay Favors more
[url]https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/9/21/21445954/utah-jazz-mike-conley-paul-george-derrick-favors-quin-snyder-adam-silver-nba-bubble[/url]
[QUOTE]If the Jazz use part of the MLE on a guy like Baynes, who by the way would give the Jazz a frontcourt perimeter threat, or are able to free up enough cap money to use on him, they could use the rest or all of the MLE and the biannual exception to find versatile defending wings that they desperately need to fill out the roster.
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They are in desperate need of a starting 4! Did anyone watch the team this year at all? After that you can talk about whatever and whoever but that's where it needs to start
[QUOTE]That being said, I can’t say what the Jazz would do. But, I can say what I would do. I wouldn’t make the deal. I’d be looking forward to the possibility of getting away from Mike Conley’s $34 million contract and freeing up some space for younger players and I wouldn’t want to break up chemistry and continuity for George, who was kind of a dud in the postseason and has not lived up to expectations, all the while being tied to him through the 2021-22 season for $37 million.
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Starting 4. Superstar. D. Pass! :facepalm
[QUOTE]Sam Amick: [URL="https://*********.com/2020/09/22/*********-podcast-michael-scotto-sam-amick-nba-coaching-rumors-sacramento-kings/"]“You’ve got the Buddy Hield situation. He does not see himself as a sixth man. He’s not happy as a sixth man. That problem is not going away, and you gave him starter money. Do you test the market on Buddy? Can you get anything back?”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://*********.com/2020/09/22/*********-podcast-michael-scotto-sam-amick-nba-coaching-rumors-sacramento-kings/"]Michael Scotto @ *********[/URL]
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Hield for Bojan? Conley for Tobias? Ed Davis flller? Goodbye Clarkson?