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[quote]The Dallas Cowboys answered the offseason's largest looming question with a simple announcement Monday.
Dallas announced Monday the franchise has agreed to terms on a new contract with franchise quarterback Dak Prescott. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Prescott signed a four-year, $160 million deal to stay in Dallas.
The deal has a maximum value of $164 million, including $126 million in guaranteed money, and includes two key details: A no-trade clause, and a no-tag provision. Prescott's deal averages to $42 million a year over the first three seasons with $75 million in the first season and a $66 million signing bonus.[/quote]
If we're ever going to get the job done, it's gonna be through the Offense.
Maybe, just maybe we can have a rebuilt defense by the year 2022... but we're gonna have to hit on more than one draft pick this year.
I suspect we will go with a cornerback at #10... but would prefer a defensive lineman.
Crazy money and terms for a good not great QB.
I'm a bit torn TBH...the money is not as bad as it looks as it's set up to spread over 6 years and the cap hit is only $22m this year.
BUT...it really is a LOT of money
Here's the deal though...the alternative is Andy Dalton...Cowboys basically put in the position of overpaying Dak or moving forward without a QB and restarting the search completely which can take years.
Ton of money? I mean what the hell were you expecting for a franchise QB in the NFL? That’s the going rate for a franchise QB. He deserves every penny.
The list has officially been updated with Prescott's salary cap figure. An estimated $5 million left in cap space left
[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/[/url]
[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/[/url]
The way I see it, We have our star players set for the next 3-4 years.
Prescott & Zeke with Tyron, Z.Martin, L.Collins on the O-line and Cooper & Lamb as the weapons at WR.
You can't ask for much more than that on offense going into the next 3-4 years. I try to have faith in Tyron Smith's health, but have lost faith in LVE. LVE can no longer be depended on, so a LB is still needed on this roster.
We're not going to be able to resign any of the players we develop, so our window of opportunity is short.
Chidobe Awuzie, Jourdan Lewis, Xavier Woods will sign elsewhere which is why we should go CB at #10. Anthony Brown and Donovan Wilson should be solid in the secondary for 2021 but are UFAs after that.
Just build around D-Law, Jaylon Smith, T.Diggs best we can. Randy Gregory should be a beast in 21' if everything works out, just wish we could get Aldon Smith back. Also... more will be expected from Neville Gallimore (DT).
Still got a year left of Michael Gallop and two years of Pollard. We will see if Jarwin can hold up at TE, but Dalton Schultz is a solid back up.
All that said... I just can't imagine the Cowboys drafting anything but Defense with pick #10 and #44
DE, DT, CB, S, LB .... we will need help at all 5 spots going into 2022.
2022 will most likely be the only year in Dak's 4 year contract where he competes for that #1 seed.
I think it's possible he gets to the NFC championship game if all goes well in the next two drafts.
2021: 9-7
2022: 12-4
2023: 8-8
2024: 8-8
record over 4 year contract: 37-27, NFC championship game appearance
If Dak can do something like that, it will be money well spent imo.
They were unwilling to sign him when he was healthy, but now that he’s damaged goods they sign him to an elite contract? :roll:
[QUOTE=Duderonomy;14269015]They were unwilling to sign him when he was healthy, but now that he’s damaged goods they sign him to an elite contract? :roll:[/QUOTE]
I'm okay with it I guess... everyone got hurt last year.
Injuries aside, We will be a top 5 offensive juggernaut in the league for the next 3-4 years.
We just need to scrape together a defense that can play worth a $hit... that will be the challenge here.
DeMarcus Lawrence DE $25,000,000
Dak Prescott QB $22,200,000
Amari Cooper WR $22,000,000
Zack Martin G $17,018,000
Tyron Smith LT $14,025,000
Ezekiel Elliott RB $13,700,000
La'el Collins RT $12,050,000
Jaylon Smith ILB $9,800,000
Anthony Brown CB $5,750,000
Blake Jarwin TE $4,546,875
Leighton Vander Esch OLB $3,769,748
CeeDee Lamb WR $3,184,094
Connor Williams G $2,960,998
Greg Zuerlein K $2,833,333
Michael Gallup WR $2,665,495
Chris Jones P $2,500,000
Dalton Schultz TE $2,296,092
Jamize Olawale FB $1,750,000
Trevon Diggs CB $1,436,570
Trysten Hill DT $1,328,175
Darian Thompson FS $1,293,750
Dorance Armstrong DE $1,087,499
Neville Gallimore DT $1,063,739
Tony Pollard RB $1,016,945
Connor McGovern G $1,000,527
Randy Gregory DE $1,000,000
Reggie Robinson CB $962,318
Tyler Biadasz C $903,600
Donovan Wilson S $881,839
Brandon Knight RT $851,668
Terence Steele LT $783,333
Desperately need help on the Defensive Line and Secondary.
#10 - CB
#44 - DT
#75 - DE/LB
resign Aldon Smith.
resign Joe Looney
10-6 record is possible.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14269084]DeMarcus Lawrence DE $25,000,000
Dak Prescott QB $22,200,000
Amari Cooper WR $22,000,000
Zack Martin G $17,018,000
Tyron Smith LT $14,025,000
Ezekiel Elliott RB $13,700,000
La'el Collins RT $12,050,000
Jaylon Smith ILB $9,800,000
Anthony Brown CB $5,750,000
Blake Jarwin TE $4,546,875
Leighton Vander Esch OLB $3,769,748
CeeDee Lamb WR $3,184,094
Connor Williams G $2,960,998
Greg Zuerlein K $2,833,333
Michael Gallup WR $2,665,495
Chris Jones P $2,500,000
Dalton Schultz TE $2,296,092
Jamize Olawale FB $1,750,000
Trevon Diggs CB $1,436,570
Trysten Hill DT $1,328,175
Darian Thompson FS $1,293,750
Dorance Armstrong DE $1,087,499
Neville Gallimore DT $1,063,739
Tony Pollard RB $1,016,945
Connor McGovern G $1,000,527
Randy Gregory DE $1,000,000
Reggie Robinson CB $962,318
Tyler Biadasz C $903,600
Donovan Wilson S $881,839
Brandon Knight RT $851,668
Terence Steele LT $783,333
Desperately need help on the Defensive Line and Secondary.
#10 - CB
#44 - DT
#75 - DE/LB
resign Aldon Smith.
resign Joe Looney
10-6 record is possible.[/QUOTE]
If Jerry is serious about getting #4 before he kicks the bucket. He should have made a play for Deshaun or Wilson. Dak plays ok with he has help ,he's a borderline game manager. If the team is dogsh** he's gonna play awful. I cant see him having 3 good/great playoff games in a row to make or win a Superbowl.
[QUOTE=GOBB;14268654]Ton of money? I mean what the hell were you expecting for a franchise QB in the NFL? That’s the going rate for a franchise QB. He deserves every penny.[/QUOTE]
Tag him and prove he's worth the price coming off a big injury. I think someone from Philly would understand this concept seeing as their team had to swallow the biggest dead cal hit in a trade ever by giving Wentz a big extension prematurely.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14269132]Tag him and prove he's worth the price coming off a big injury. I think someone from Philly would understand this concept seeing as their team had to swallow the biggest dead cal hit in a trade ever by giving Wentz a big extension prematurely.[/QUOTE]
Wentz deal wasn’t bad. The team built around him was. The friction between him and Doug was.
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press conference w/ Jerry
[QUOTE=Carbine;14269132]Tag him and prove he's worth the price coming off a big injury. I think someone from Philly would understand this concept seeing as their team had to swallow the biggest dead cal hit in a trade ever by giving Wentz a big extension prematurely.[/QUOTE]
They tagged him last year, if they tagged him again and he had a good season he would have been preposterously expensive to keep next year.
IIRC in reading the other day, tagging Dak was not an option for Dallas as it would have been his 2nd tag year and would have cost mid-$40M which is a number they couldn't possibly fit into this year's salary cap.
So the options were giving Dak this current contract, or moving forward with Andy Dalton and/or using up a high draft pick on a QB
I do think this is to much money for a QB coming off an injury like Dak's...BUT I do favor this direction as opposed to the alternative.
Tag and trade him for a bunch of picks then.
This roster would have been nice on a rookie QB contract. The offensive supporting cast is already in place for the QB, and those picks plus all that money they wouldn't have to give Dak could have been used to build a good defense before the rookie QB deal is up.
Probably could have built the defense up as soon as this year considering you could have went out and got two big time starters with Daks cap hit.
The problem with this Cowboys team isn't Dak, he's a good QB. It's the fact they don't have a defense and probably can't build one unless they hit the jackpot in the draft like the Seahawks did in the Richard Sherman draft where you are getting HOF type players in the fifth round.
IMO they're better off with an expensive but promising QB and zero cap room to improve their shitty defense, versus having a shit QB and enough cap space to sign two or three high end defensive free agents.
Last season one the biggest issues believe it or not was the offensive line. Actually last season was a disaster from top to bottom pretty much, I really can't even think of anything positive, I guess CeeDee Lamb looks like the stud he is supposed to be, that's about it.
DeMarcus Lawrence is likely to be cut, if not cut it is a 100% certainty his contract will be restructured...he is $25m in cap space this coming year which is actually more than Dak will be.
The offensive line was hurt last year, they are presumably healthy to start this year.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14269960]IMO they're better off with an expensive but promising QB and zero cap room to improve their shitty defense, versus having a shit QB and enough cap space to sign two or three high end defensive free agents.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that, of course Dalton isn't the answer.
But had they traded Dak to Carolina for example for the #8 and future first round and taken a guy like Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. Thats enticing.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14269958]Tag and trade him for a bunch of picks then.
This roster would have been nice on a rookie QB contract. The offensive supporting cast is already in place for the QB, and those picks plus all that money they wouldn't have to give Dak could have been used to build a good defense before the rookie QB deal is up.
Probably could have built the defense up as soon as this year considering you could have went out and got two big time starters with Daks cap hit.
The problem with this Cowboys team isn't Dak, he's a good QB. It's the fact they don't have a defense and probably can't build one unless they hit the jackpot in the draft like the Seahawks did in the Richard Sherman draft where you are getting HOF type players in the fifth round.[/QUOTE]
What team is going to pay a bunch of picks for Dak? Its a buyers market. The Eagles couldn't even get a guaranteed first for Wentz.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14269994]
But had they traded Dak to Carolina for example for the #8 and future first round and taken a guy like Justin Fields or Zach Wilson. Thats enticing.[/QUOTE]
its def possible that a trade like that works out in their favor, and it could ultimately put them over the top ... but its gotta be pretty damn hard to take that dive when you already have a young QB like Dak who has shown some flashes of greatness
[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14270016]What team is going to pay a bunch of picks for Dak? Its a buyers market. The Eagles couldn't even get a guaranteed first for Wentz.[/QUOTE]
Thats because the eagles destroyed Wentzs trade value
The Rams just traded away 2 firsts, a third, and Goff to get Matt Stafford... plenty of teams will give up a bunch of picks for a good QB
[QUOTE=Nanners;14270026]Thats because the eagles destroyed Wentzs trade value
The Rams just traded away 2 firsts, a third, and Goff to get Matt Stafford... plenty of teams will give up a bunch of picks for a good QB[/QUOTE]
The Rams and the Colts are out of the bidding. The Panthers would be bidding against who by offering this year's #8? Dak would enter a trade market where teams like Bears and Raiders are in a holding pattern Watson or Wilson to become officially available.
[QUOTE=~primetime~;14269979]
DeMarcus Lawrence is likely to be cut, if not cut it is a 100% certainty his contract will be restructured...he is $25m in cap space this coming year which is actually more than Dak will be.[/QUOTE]
They restructured the offensive line's contract (Smith, Martin, and Collins)
[quote]Cowboys offensive linemen Zack Martin, Tyron Smith and La'el Collins have agreed to restructure their contracts ahead of the 2021 season, according to ESPN's Todd Archer. The restructures will clear roughly [b]$17 million in salary cap space.[/b] [/quote]
I think D-Law would be on the chopping block next year if he doesn't give us double digit sacks.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;14269084]
DeMarcus Lawrence DE $25,000,000
Dak Prescott QB $22,200,000
Amari Cooper WR $22,000,000
[b]Zack Martin G $17,018,000[/b]
[b]Tyron Smith LT $14,025,000[/b]
Ezekiel Elliott RB $13,700,000
[b]La'el Collins RT $12,050,000[/b]
Jaylon Smith ILB $9,800,000
Anthony Brown CB $5,750,000
Blake Jarwin TE $4,546,875
Leighton Vander Esch OLB $3,769,748
CeeDee Lamb WR $3,184,094
Connor Williams G $2,960,998
Greg Zuerlein K $2,833,333
Michael Gallup WR $2,665,495
Chris Jones P $2,500,000
Dalton Schultz TE $2,296,092
Jamize Olawale FB $1,750,000
Trevon Diggs CB $1,436,570
Trysten Hill DT $1,328,175
Darian Thompson FS $1,293,750
Dorance Armstrong DE $1,087,499
Neville Gallimore DT $1,063,739
Tony Pollard RB $1,016,945
Connor McGovern G $1,000,527
Randy Gregory DE $1,000,000
Reggie Robinson CB $962,318
Tyler Biadasz C $903,600
Donovan Wilson S $881,839
Brandon Knight RT $851,668
Terence Steele LT $783,333
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DeMarcus Lawrence DE $25,000,000
Dak Prescott QB $22,200,000
Amari Cooper WR $22,000,000
[b]Zack Martin G $9,968,000[/b]
[b]Tyron Smith LT $7,350,000[/b]
Ezekiel Elliott RB $13,700,000
[b]La'el Collins RT $6,800,000[/b]
Jaylon Smith ILB $9,800,000
Anthony Brown CB $5,750,000
Blake Jarwin TE $4,546,875
Leighton Vander Esch OLB $3,769,748
CeeDee Lamb WR $3,184,094
Connor Williams G $2,960,998
Greg Zuerlein K $2,833,333
Michael Gallup WR $2,665,495
Chris Jones P $2,500,000
Dalton Schultz TE $2,296,092
Jamize Olawale FB $1,750,000
Trevon Diggs CB $1,436,570
Trysten Hill DT $1,328,175
Darian Thompson FS $1,293,750
Dorance Armstrong DE $1,087,499
Neville Gallimore DT $1,063,739
Tony Pollard RB $1,016,945
Connor McGovern G $1,000,527
Randy Gregory DE $1,000,000
Reggie Robinson CB $962,318
Tyler Biadasz C $903,600
Donovan Wilson S $881,839
Brandon Knight RT $851,668
Terence Steele LT $783,333
[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/[/url]
$20 million in cap space.
Although the salary cap limit is suppose to be lowered to $182.5 million so idk how much space we have.
2022
Dak Prescott QB $33,200,000 15.00 %
DeMarcus Lawrence DE $27,000,000 12.20 %
Amari Cooper WR $22,000,000 9.94 %
Zack Martin G $20,209,000 9.13 %
Tyron Smith LT $17,505,000 7.91 %
Ezekiel Elliott RB $16,500,000 7.45 %
La'el Collins RT $15,250,000 6.89 %
Jaylon Smith ILB $11,800,000 5.33 %
$161 million, 73.85% of the cap.
[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cap/2022/[/url]
Meanwhile the Pats got Cam for 14 mil and
About $6 million of the deal is tied to incentives
Give Cam all the weapons Dak has had plus 25 mil to spend on other players. [url]https://giphy.com/gifs/nfl-newton-cam-cameron-L3oTUQIDkDJzRu6mzF[/url]
[QUOTE=Carbine;14269132]Tag him and prove he's worth the price coming off a big injury. I think someone from Philly would understand this concept seeing as their team had to swallow the biggest dead cal hit in a trade ever by giving Wentz a big extension prematurely.[/QUOTE]
And what if he does prove himself? I'm assuming that the Cowboys worked him out and don't have any major concerns about his long-term health. If Dallas tags him in 2021 he counts 37.68 million against the cap, fully guaranteed. After the season, the Cowboys can either let him walk as an unrestricted free agent and get into bidding wars with every other team that thinks they're a QB away from being a contender, or they could franchise for the third season in a row. The cost of that third tag would be a little over $54 million. All fully guaranteed, and all counting directly against the 2022 cap.
Jerry Jones screwed up by not getting a deal in place with Dak after the 2019 season. He kept trying to "win" the negotiations by insisting on a five year deal, but Dak had all the leverage and wasn't going to budge off of four years. A deal signed after the 2019 season would have saved the Cowboys a few million.
[QUOTE=Duderonomy;14270967]Meanwhile the Pats got Cam for 14 mil and
About $6 million of the deal is tied to incentives
Give Cam all the weapons Dak has had plus 25 mil to spend on other players. [url]https://giphy.com/gifs/nfl-newton-cam-cameron-L3oTUQIDkDJzRu6mzF[/url][/QUOTE]
The Patriots got Cam for that price because he had a terrible year in 2020. He finished 30th out of 33 eligible players in QBR, and that's a statistic that takes into account his running yards. He threw for 8 TDs and 10 interceptions. He was so ineffective that he was actually pulled in the middle of a few games and replaced with his backup. If you put him on the Cowboys he'd be better, sure. But not that much better. He's still not taking them to the playoffs unless the rest of the East is as pathetic as it was last season.
[QUOTE=baudkarma;14272354]And what if he does prove himself? I'm assuming that the Cowboys worked him out and don't have any major concerns about his long-term health. If Dallas tags him in 2021 he counts 37.68 million against the cap, fully guaranteed. After the season, the Cowboys can either let him walk as an unrestricted free agent and get into bidding wars with every other team that thinks they're a QB away from being a contender, or they could franchise for the third season in a row. The cost of that third tag would be a little over $54 million. All fully guaranteed, and all counting directly against the 2022 cap.
[B]Jerry Jones screwed up by not getting a deal in place with Dak after the 2019 season. [/B] He kept trying to "win" the negotiations by insisting on a five year deal, but Dak had all the leverage and wasn't going to budge off of four years. A deal signed after the 2019 season would have saved the Cowboys a few million.[/QUOTE]
This 100%
Jerry should have signed Dak a long time a ago....would have been a big deal at the time but overall would have been a much better deal for Dallas.
The deal was for $175 for 5 years. Dak said no deal. ($35 per year)
We end up getting him for $160 over 4 years... ($40 per year) + the $31 million he was franchised for in 2020.
$191 over 5 years is what Dak will make out with compared to the $175 mil that was offered.
Dak did about $15 - $16 million better than the original offer... Idk if his contract being spread out over 6 years is that much of a benefit to Jerry, or if that was structured in the original deal, but it should help us maneuver around the cap a little better.
I suppose Jerry could've offered him $180-$185 million and saved himself $5-$10 million.... but rumor was Dak was wanting a 4 year deal (in 2020) so he could get an even bigger contract in 2024, now he has to wait until 2025.
Damn. A lot of money to the Cowboys triplets just to go 8-8. You Cowboys fans have low standards.
[QUOTE=baudkarma;14272354]And what if he does prove himself? I'm assuming that the Cowboys worked him out and don't have any major concerns about his long-term health. If Dallas tags him in 2021 he counts 37.68 million against the cap, fully guaranteed. After the season, the Cowboys can either let him walk as an unrestricted free agent and get into bidding wars with every other team that thinks they're a QB away from being a contender, or they could franchise for the third season in a row. The cost of that third tag would be a little over $54 million. All fully guaranteed, and all counting directly against the 2022 cap.
Jerry Jones screwed up by not getting a deal in place with Dak after the 2019 season. He kept trying to "win" the negotiations by insisting on a five year deal, but Dak had all the leverage and wasn't going to budge off of four years. A deal signed after the 2019 season would have saved the Cowboys a few million.[/QUOTE]
If he proves himself he probably goes for the same amount. They didn't get any kind of discount on this one. They paid the absolute most for someone of his caliber. He's the second highest paid player in the NFL right?
My whole thing is - and it's not wrong to disagree with me - but the history of Superbowl winners with these big QB deals as the foundation of the team is rare.
At the end of the day winning the chip should be all that matters. Im going to take out Brady because he routinely has taken way below market value for a player of his value.
Teams that have won on a rookie QB deal since they've changed the payout structure for rookies.
Flacco
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Wilson
Wentz (even though the backup won the title the team was still on a rookie QB deal)
All of those teams are excellent up and down the roster. That's a lot easier, though still incredibly hard because of the flexibility a rookie QB gives the salary cap, especially these days.
I think the Cowboys were the perfect candidate to win on a rookie QB deal. They already have an elite supporting cast on offense to surround the QB and all the extra money AND draft assets they got for Dak would have bolstered the defense in one off season.
I know someone mentioned earlier that there wouldn't be a big trade market for Dak. That person is kidding themselves. He would have gotten the Cowboys a haul. GMs have showed over and over again how incompetent they are. Someone may have offered three firsts if they were desperate enough, like the Bears who probably feel like they are a top ten QB away from winning a title.
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Have fun paying an top 15 QB 40 mill a season when they couldn't win with him making 2mil. Even the Rams and Eagles cut bait from their franchise QBs because they were only average .
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[QUOTE=Carbine;14273173]My whole thing is - and it's not wrong to disagree with me - but the history of Superbowl winners with these big QB deals as the foundation of the team is rare.
At the end of the day winning the chip should be all that matters. Im going to take out Brady because he routinely has taken way below market value for a player of his value.
Teams that have won on a rookie QB deal since they've changed the payout structure for rookies.
Flacco
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Wilson
Wentz (even though the backup won the title the team was still on a rookie QB deal)
All of those teams are excellent up and down the roster. That's a lot easier, though still incredibly hard because of the flexibility a rookie QB gives the salary cap, especially these days.
I think the Cowboys were the perfect candidate to win on a rookie QB deal. They already have an elite supporting cast on offense to surround the QB and all the extra money AND draft assets they got for Dak would have bolstered the defense in one off season.
I know someone mentioned earlier that there wouldn't be a big trade market for Dak. That person is kidding themselves. He would have gotten the Cowboys a haul. GMs have showed over and over again how incompetent they are. Someone may have offered three firsts if they were desperate enough, like the Bears who probably feel like they are a top ten QB away from winning a title.[/QUOTE]
I have been trying to promote this argument on this forum for years, and folks around here have almost universally treated me like im crazy :oldlol:
Not saying that the cowboys should have traded or let Dak walk... but theres no question that a QB overperforming their salary is highly correlated with superbowl wins (ignoring Brady)
In addition to the examples you mentioned, Mahomes was also on his rookie contract when the chiefs won.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14269960]IMO they're better off with an expensive but promising QB and zero cap room to improve their shitty defense, versus having a shit QB and enough cap space to sign two or three high end defensive free agents.[/QUOTE]
I missed this the first time I was in this thread. You're describing the last 4 seasons of seahawks football, right?
[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14315192]I missed this the first time I was in this thread. You're describing the last 4 seasons of seahawks football, right?[/QUOTE]
pretty sure its been more than 4 seasons :(