Bladefd -"No one has died from the COVID vaccine" Oh really?

[url]https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/[/url]

[QUOTE][B][U]Michigan boy dies 3 days after getting Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, CDC is investigating[/U][/B]

Jacob was healthy, she said, and had no known underlying medical conditions. He was looking forward to starting classes in the fall as a freshman at Carrollton High School.

He complained of common post-vaccine symptoms, she said, in the two days between his immunization and death, which included fatigue and fever.

On the night of June 15, he had a bit of a stomach ache, too, but it wasn't severe enough to cause serious concern, Burages said.

Jacob went to sleep that night, and never woke up.

"He passed away in the middle of the night at home," she said.
The family was told that preliminary autopsy findings suggest Jacob's heart was enlarged when he died and there was fluid around his heart, Burages said.

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[url]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/13-year-old-jacob-clynick-dies-pfizer-vaccine-myocarditis/[/url]

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[IMG]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Tammy-Burages-vaccine-card-Clynick-1170x601-1-1024x526.jpg[/IMG]

bladef@gd be like....."uhhh that means the vaccine is working durr" :facepalm

My brother got full blown shingles from taking the vaccine. He took 1 dose and full blown shingles for a month. **** this shit.

[QUOTE=keep-itreal;14380665][url]https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/[/url]



[url]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/13-year-old-jacob-clynick-dies-pfizer-vaccine-myocarditis/[/url]

[IMG]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Jacob-Clynick-Pfizer-Covid-vaccine-death-feature-800x417.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Tammy-Burages-vaccine-card-Clynick-1170x601-1-1024x526.jpg[/IMG]

bladef@gd be like....."uhhh that means the vaccine is working durr"[/QUOTE]

Blade is up there on the retard level with kabar and jasper

People like blade have blood on their hands.

post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy

Another covid-related thread from someone melting down.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14380693]Another covid-related thread from someone melting down.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bladefd;14380695]Another meltdown thread started by someone obsessed with covid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bladefd;14380697]Another meltdown thread.[/QUOTE]

you okay there, babyboi? Cause it seems like you're having a meltdown right now :oldlol:


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[QUOTE=keep-itreal;14380702]you okay there, babyboi? Cause it seems like you're having a meltdown right now :oldlol:


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Show me the proof!!!! It was Donald Trumps fault!

[QUOTE=keep-itreal;14380702]you okay there, babyboi? Cause it seems like you're having a meltdown right now :oldlol:


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:roll::roll:

[QUOTE=keep-itreal;14380702]you okay there, babyboi? Cause it seems like you're having a meltdown right now :oldlol:


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:roll:

Per the CDC and their COVID-19 Vaccine safety updates ([URL="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WYhcFkA3Fz8J:https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]link[/URL])

for every 1,000,000 Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-17 year olds, 200 hospitalizations & 1 death from Covid-19 would be prevented.

for every 1,000,000 Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-15 year olds & 16-25 year olds, 3000 events in which medical care in ER/hospital would occur from vaccination.

[QUOTE=keep-itreal;14380702]you okay there, babyboi? Cause it seems like you're having a meltdown right now :oldlol:


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:roll:

All y’all anti vaxxers won’t go all the way though. You know actually accept that germ and viral theory in it’s entirety is BS.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14380678]My brother got full blown shingles from taking the vaccine. He took 1 dose and full blown shingles for a month. **** this shit.[/QUOTE]

Shingles come from the chicken pox virus.

ps - that kid had moobs

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14380835]All y’all anti vaxxers won’t go all the way though. You know actually accept that germ and viral theory in it’s entirety is BS.[/QUOTE]

Its not anti vaxxing. Its anti covid vaccine. Its an experimental vaccine that was pushed due to politics

Just one thing I would like to add to expose the OP.

The post he is citing and intentionally misquoted is this (in reference to the rare heart inflammation):
[QUOTE]Those are extremely rare and minor side effects and nobody has died from it.

Covid, many people have died from. If your argument is that we don't know the long-term side effects of the vaccines, you don't know the long-term side effects of covid either with lungs scarring and breathing issues that people have had.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495308-FDA-to-add-warning-about-rare-heart-inflammation-to-Pfizer-Moderna-vaccines&p=14379778&viewfull=1#post14379778[/url]

Yes, it's true that nobody has died from the rare heart inflammation. OP has no credibility and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14380992]Its not anti vaxxing. Its anti covid vaccine. Its an experimental vaccine that was pushed due to politics[/QUOTE]

You are one of the dumbest people I have ever come across.

[QUOTE=SATAN;14381049]You are one of the dumbest people I have ever come across.[/QUOTE]

Ok blade

A 12 year old girl Maddie suffered severe memory loss and is now consigned to a wheelchair after getting Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

[url]https://greatgameindia.com/12-year-memory-loss-wheelchair-vaccine/[/url]

Who cares tho she didn't die :facepalm

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14380992]Its not anti vaxxing. Its anti covid vaccine. Its an experimental vaccine that was pushed due to politics[/QUOTE]

Exactly! You’re view is only political. If you really knew wuz up, you’d know that all vaccines and germ theory is BS.

[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14380992]Its not anti vaxxing. Its anti covid vaccine. Its an experimental vaccine that was pushed due to politics[/QUOTE]

I decided to take the vaccine but I do not look down on people that think like you. Other vaccines have been around for decades while the covid19 vaccine was rushed out quickly.

Anti-vaxxers are definitely not the same as anti-covid19 vaccines.

Funny how they call others sheep if they believe what the news tell them.

[QUOTE=Axe;14382210]Funny how they call others sheep if they believe what the news tell them.[/QUOTE]
The Fox News shits they are watching is not even news.

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;14383659]The Fox News shits they are watching is not even news.[/QUOTE]
Heh lol

[h=1]13-Year-Old Dies in Sleep After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine; CDC Investigating[/h]
[url]https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-1606529[/url]

Boy, 16, had cardiac arrest after exercise following 1st Pfizer vaccine dose
[url]https://news.yahoo.com/boy-16-cardiac-arrest-exercis-covid-vaccine-110750152.html[/url]

Someone died AFTER getting the vaccine? How's that possible? I thought it made you immortal.

[QUOTE=Manny98;14383733]Boy, 16, had cardiac arrest after exercise following 1st Pfizer vaccine dose
[url]https://news.yahoo.com/boy-16-cardiac-arrest-exercis-covid-vaccine-110750152.html[/url][/QUOTE]
They said these vaccines are qualified for people with ages 18 and above.

I just got the Pfizer yesterday. It wasn't bad but now my arm is pretty sore. Looking at that news story that kid looks like he has genetic issues. You can't vaccinate millions of people and expect no one to die around their vaccination window. If a million people drink orange juice tomorrow. A few will die within that a day or two. That doesn't mean orange juice killed them.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14385985]I just got the Pfizer yesterday. It wasn't bad but now my arm is pretty sore. Looking at that news story that kid looks like he has genetic issues. You can't vaccinate millions of people and expect no one to die around their vaccination window. If a million people drink orange juice tomorrow. A few will die within that a day or two. That doesn't mean orange juice killed them.[/QUOTE]

So if someone made the statement that Covid deaths themselves are inflated, you'd also agree?

Covid deaths worldwide have been registered as anyone dying within 30 days of testing positive, and a lot of elderlies and people at risk have been tested over and over again.

You also have re-test, which used to be a big thing when everyone was trying to make sure they didn't have covid. There's guy here on ISH who tested positive, then had to quarantine until testing negative. He tested positive two more times within the quarantine period and all counted as a newly detected case of covid.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14385999]So if someone made the statement that Covid deaths themselves are inflated, you'd also agree?

Covid deaths worldwide have been registered as anyone dying within 30 days of testing positive, and a lot of elderlies and people at risk have been tested over and over again.

You also have re-test, which used to be a big thing when everyone was trying to make sure they didn't have covid. There's guy here on ISH who tested positive, then had to quarantine until testing negative. He tested positive two more times within the quarantine period and all counted as a newly detected case of covid.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Here's the data on death rates by age in the UK:

[url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5yjr6hVcAUa_b7?format=jpg&name=900x900[/url]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5yjr6hVcAUa_b7?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

On average, people who died with Covid-19 [I]lived longer[/I] than people who died without it. I believe this is the first "pandemic" virus that fits this description.



This also lines up with the CDCs estimated benefits of the vaccine I posted earlier:

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14380787]Per the CDC and their COVID-19 Vaccine safety updates ([URL="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WYhcFkA3Fz8J:https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"]link[/URL])

for every [B][U]1,000,000[/U][/B] Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-17 year olds, 200 hospitalizations & [B][U]1[/U][/B] death from Covid-19 would be prevented.

for every 1,000,000 Covid-19 vaccinations in 12-15 year olds & 16-25 year olds, 3000 events in which medical care in ER/hospital would occur from vaccination.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14385985]I just got the Pfizer yesterday. It wasn't bad but now my arm is pretty sore. Looking at that news story that kid looks like he has genetic issues. You can't vaccinate millions of people and expect no one to die around their vaccination window. If a million people drink orange juice tomorrow. A few will die within that a day or two. That doesn't mean orange juice killed them.[/QUOTE]

There have also always been breakthrough cases for those fully vaccinated for every vaccine ever created. The whole argument by fools like manny and nanners of a 20,000 cases of people getting covid after the vaccine and claiming the vaccines are useless is a horrendous argument. Find me a vaccine with no breakthrough cases - there is no such thing. Every single vaccine has had a small percentage of breakthrough cases. Not vaccine is 100% effective guaranteed. Even the great polio vaccine wasn't 100% effective.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14385999]So if someone made the statement that Covid deaths themselves are inflated, you'd also agree?

Covid deaths worldwide have been registered as anyone dying within 30 days of testing positive, and a lot of elderlies and people at risk have been tested over and over again.

You also have re-test, which used to be a big thing when everyone was trying to make sure they didn't have covid. There's guy here on ISH who tested positive, then had to quarantine until testing negative. He tested positive two more times within the quarantine period and all counted as a newly detected case of covid.[/QUOTE]

Yes I would, but it would be off by a similar factor. Statistically, some of those people were dying of something else and also had covid. Deaths will be overestimated. But when you have millions of deaths and they all have COVID then millions really did die from this virus. It is negligible if a few thousand were going to die anyway.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386211]Yes I would, but it would be off by a similar factor. Statistically, some of those people were dying of something else and also had covid. Deaths will be overestimated. But when you have millions of deaths and they all have COVID then millions really did die from this virus. It is negligible if a few thousand were going to die anyway.[/QUOTE]

Another element to consider there is that covid tests gave false positives and deaths from those were also labeled covid.

The whole thing is interesting, of course it's natural to compare to the official number of covid deaths as a whole, but a lot of how that number came about has been forgotten.

There were quite a few cities which became kind of hotspots for deaths, due to people who were tested positive being sent to retirement homes.

Including false positives over the last year and a half, latest calculations say that real number of total covid infections in the US so far is at about 135 million, around 3.9 times higher than the number of infections caught in tests. I wonder how many people have been tested for antibodies before taking a vaccine.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386211]Yes I would, but it would be off by a similar factor. Statistically, some of those people were dying of something else and also had covid. Deaths will be overestimated. [B]But when you have millions of deaths and they all have COVID then millions really did die from this virus. It is negligible if a few thousand were going to die anyway.[/B][/QUOTE]

If you have millions of deaths within 30 days of x, then millions really did die from x? I don't think that's always true.

And to your second point, that people were "going to die anyway," aren't we all going to die anyway? I suppose what you're getting at is how much life they had left to begin with. I've pointed out, one of the most important stats on deaths w/ Covid is, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it. I believe this is the first "pandemic" virus that fits this description.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14386229]Another element to consider there is that covid tests gave false positives and deaths from those were also labelled covid.

The whole thing is interesting, of course it's natural to compare to the official number of covid deaths as a whole, but a lot of how that number came about has been forgotten.

There were quite a few cities which became kind of hotspots for deaths, due to people who were tested positive being sent to retirement homes.

Including false positives over the last year and a half, latest calculations say that [B]real number of total covid infections in the US so far is at about 135 million, around 3.9 times higher than the number of infections caught in tests[/B]. I wonder how many people have been tested for antibodies before taking a vaccine.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for pointing this out. I've pointed it out several times on here, but I know a lot of folks simply don't know the data.

Another thing to consider: the number of people who were exposed, but not truly infected. We see this time and time again when someone in a household tests positive, but others in the household (exposed) do not test positive nor get sick. This lines up with what the CDC stated on March 8, 2020, that most Americans will be exposed to the virus before the end of 2020 or 2021.

I'm sure plenty of people on this board can relate, especially those with kids. Think of all the times someone in your home has been sick and how many times others in the home didn't get sick. Similar thing happens with Covid-19. ;)

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14386231]If you have millions of deaths within 30 days of x, then millions really did die from x? I don't think that's always true.

And to your second point, that people were "going to die anyway," aren't we all going to die anyway? I suppose what you're getting at is how much life they had left to begin with. I've pointed out, one of the most important stats on deaths w/ Covid is, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it. I believe this is the first "pandemic" virus that fits this description.[/QUOTE]

In engineering we use statistical methods to determine which parameters contribute to outcomes. It works pretty well when trying to troubleshoot problems and find out what the cause is. I imagine that the medical field does similar hypothesis testing. They know what is abnormal. They look at more than one factor when determining if the vaccine is safe. These are statistical calculations and there are errors involved. I trust this data more than anyone's personal opinion.

[QUOTE=Cleverness;14386232]Thank you for pointing this out. I've pointed it out several times on here, but I know a lot of folks simply don't know the data.

Another thing to consider: the number of people who were exposed, but not truly infected. We see this time and time again when someone in a household tests positive, but others in the household (exposed) do not test positive nor get sick. This lines up with what the CDC stated on March 8, 2020, that most Americans will be exposed to the virus before the end of 2020 or 2021.

I'm sure plenty of people on this board can relate, especially those with kids. Think of all the times someone in your home has been sick and how many times others in the home didn't get sick. Similar thing happens with Covid-19. ;)[/QUOTE]

I think most people are under the impression that the numbers are the numbers, and that covid has been kept down due to restrictions.

Same as with herd immunity, people think now that it can only be achieved through vaccine.

[QUOTE=RoseCity07;14386244]In engineering we use statistical methods to determine which parameters contribute to outcomes. It works pretty well when trying to troubleshoot problems and find out what the cause is. I imagine that the medical field does similar hypothesis testing. They know what is abnormal. They look at more than one factor when determining if the vaccine is safe. These are statistical calculations and there are errors involved. I trust this data more than anyone's personal opinion.[/QUOTE]

The first question I asked was regarding the logic behind your statement. The second question was for you to clarify what you mean by "we're going to die anyway." You didn't address either question.

We just pointed out "the medical field" (aka the gov't) counts deaths within 28 days of a positive test as a death from Covid. Do you think this type of death counting factors in "similar hypothesis testing" and "abnormal"?

Look at more than one factor when determining if the vaccine is safe? I just pointed out the effectiveness and safety using the CDCs own data. According to their opinion, it is safe and effective in children. Do you think it's safe and effective in children?

Personal opinion? Whether or not something is "safe" [I]is[/I] personal opinion, no? Even the cause for someone's death is debatable and involves opinion, no?