Clarkson and Hughes need to go. Starting PF. Bojan to bench.
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Clarkson and Hughes need to go. Starting PF. Bojan to bench.
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50214913/utah-jazz-trade-derrick-favors-to-thunder-in-cost-cutting-move[/url]
[QUOTE]Favors was a major piece in Utah's rise to playoff contention during his first eight seasons in Utah before being traded to New Orleans in 2019. He only sparingly had the same impact in his return season. Favors, 30, averaged 5.4 points and 5.5 rebounds last season in a limited role behind Gobert. Depending on Conley's figure, the Jazz could stand to save upwards of $40 million in tax money with the trade.
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major piece?
[QUOTE]Considering Favors' production last season, it's a move that makes sense, but it's also one that shows the cold reality of the NBA. It's the second time in three seasons Favors has been traded from Utah in a cost-cutting move. Two summers ago, with the team looking to move the roster to a more offensively potent unit, Favors was dealt to New Orleans in order to open up space for Conley and free agent Bojan Bogdanovic.
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more the hard stupidity of the Jazz. How many picks now to get rid of guys they should have never signed?
[QUOTE]In the last two seasons, the team has spent two first-round picks — Udoka Azubuike last season and now this trade (plus some more assets along the way) — addressing the 15 or so minutes Gobert isn't in the game.[/QUOTE]
gave up picks to get rid of Bradley who was cheap and improving and Davis who should have never been signed when they needed a starting 4 and still do. Picks to get rid of Exum. Burke I think too. Nice job Wizard!
[URL]https://www.ksl.com/article/50214529/utah-jazz-trade-down-and-grab-baylors-jared-butler-with-no-40-pick[/URL]
[QUOTE]He could envision Jared Butler's fit with the team; how his experience at not only playing but winning at high levels could help the Utah Jazz; how he, as a rookie, may be able to find a way into the rotation.
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unless he went to Duke probably not. Stars will be glad to have him though!
[url]https://kslsports.com/464826/mailbag-jazz-draft-butler-trade-favors/[/url]
[QUOTE]It’s rare then to turn around and use that cleared cap space to bring back more salary. It’s like selling the timeshare that the family can’t afford only to use that money to buy a boat.
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Would like to think they got rid of Favors because he sucks not just to clear money. Still need players
[QUOTE]I think after adding Butler in the backcourt, considering they already have Trent Forrest, and the other four main guard pieces that ate up the majority of the minutes last season, the backcourt doesn’t need further help.
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They have Mitchell and maybe Conley and ideally Ingles and O'Neale if they get the starting 4 they desperately need but a rookie isn't likely to help COTY, Forrest can't shoot and might be gone now, Clarkson sucks and Oni is an end of the bench energy guy until proven otherwise. They can certainly do more
[QUOTE]Smith and Zanik seem to believe the Jazz championship window is firmly open right now and they are willing to pay the price to compete at that level. That’s good ownership/management and a good sign for Jazz fans.
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COTY still has his job and it doesn't sound like Clarkson is going anywhere so it's hard to get excited about paying tax
[QUOTE]I’d expect Jarrell Brantley, Juwan Morgan, Trent Forrest, Elijah Hughes, Udoka Azubuike, Matt Thomas, and MaCio Teague who the Jazz signed as an undrafted free agent) to be on the roster.
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Oni should be
[QUOTE]However, he played four years at Kansas and has an NBA body so the adjustment to the NBA shouldn’t be as steep as it is for other young big men. At some point, he probably needs to be thrown into the pool to see if he’ll sink or swim.
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start with summer league, camp and the Stars first
[QUOTE]I think there is some hindsight at play here that makes the Favors signing look worse today than it did at the time.
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looked horrible at the time and blaming all the problems on Bradley was even worse
[QUOTE]In that sense, it wasn’t a bad deal at the time, though it was far from a home run.
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they don't have a PF that COTY will play so like Davis the year before it looked horrible and was even worse when he sucked
[QUOTE]What continues to be perplexing is the decision to use a first-round draft pick on Azubuike last year when they were planning on giving Favors such an enormous deal just days later.
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that made total sense. The draft is for the future not now.
[url]https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/status/1421139337304055816/photo/1[/url]
summer league names
Dan Weiss: GM Brian Wright told me in our draft recap show that [URL="http://twitter.com/DanWeissPBP/status/1421254450438680577"]Devin Vassell & Tre Jones will both be playing on the @spurs summer league squads in Utah & Las Vegas[/URL].
– via [URL="http://twitter.com/DanWeissPBP/status/1421254450438680577"]Twitter[/URL]
Alex Kennedy: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jahlil Tripp (@swaggy__jah) has committed to play with the Utah Jazz during the Salt Lake City Summer League next month,[/URL] a league source told @basketbllnews. Tripp spent last season with the Memphis Grizzlies and Memphis Hustle in the NBA G League Bubble.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA"]Twitter AlexKennedyNBA[/URL]
Sounds like they're holding out for Nic Batum to want to team up with Rudy. Oni has been shooting the ball decently from 3 in the Olympics, so hopefully that's a sign he's improved a bit. MaCio Teague is another 6-4 guard, so not sure why he's coming in, but guess he has talent.
Backup C a bit of a problem now. No choice but to play Azubuike and hope he doesn't totally suck, though the Thunder didn't extend the QO to Bradley, so maybe you can bring him back cheap too. Doesn't fix the playoff issue though, Dok is unplayable in the playoffs, so need to find a point of difference there, instead of trying to find a replica of Gobert so you don't need to chance anything when he rests.
Schroder will be competing with several other free agents at the same position, including Kyle Lowry, Lonzo Ball, Mike Conley, Spencer Dinwiddie and Paul (if he opts out of his final year). [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946554-biggest-questions-and-answers-from-blockbuster-lakers-russell-westbrook-trade"]“He may get squeezed,” a Western Conference executive told Bleacher[/URL] Report.
– via [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946554-biggest-questions-and-answers-from-blockbuster-lakers-russell-westbrook-trade"]Eric Pincus @ Bleacher Report[/URL]
[QUOTE=El Kabong;14408189]Sounds like they're holding out for Nic Batum to want to team up with Rudy. Oni has been shooting the ball decently from 3 in the Olympics, so hopefully that's a sign he's improved a bit. MaCio Teague is another 6-4 guard, so not sure why he's coming in, but guess he has talent.
Backup C a bit of a problem now. No choice but to play Azubuike and hope he doesn't totally suck, though the Thunder didn't extend the QO to Bradley, so maybe you can bring him back cheap too. Doesn't fix the playoff issue though, Dok is unplayable in the playoffs, so need to find a point of difference there, instead of trying to find a replica of Gobert so you don't need to chance anything when he rests.[/QUOTE]
Batum wouldn't have played much last year if they'd had him. Would have probably been in Oni or maybe Niang's slot. Got to have a coach that will play the guys you sign. Guess if they give him their exception and Niang is gone he might get minutes. Should probably start but so should Ersan have
Oni is streaky. He started out horribly for the Stars before finishing well as a rookie and started out last year well. I think he can be a good shooter.
Bradley will be cheap and he fits and is getting better but they wouldn't admit they blew it again. They have to get a seasoned vet. Udoka looked nowhere near ready. He needs to get big minutes with the Stars. Always thought they needed a different look from Gobert. Never thought that was a good idea
[QUOTE] [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1233961/italy-defeats-nigeria-80-71-olympic-games/"]Italy made it to the quarterfinals of the Olympic Games after storming back against Nigeria to secure the win, 80-71, at Saitama Super Arena on Saturday[/URL]. Nicolo Melli and Achille Polonara put the finishing touches on a 14-0 sprint generating a 70-64 lead. The European side held on to secure the victory punching in the ticket for the next round. The team led by Meo Sacchetti will rank first in Group B if Germany beats Australia by a margin of 17 points or less later in Tokyo. It will be in second place in any other case. A helpful reminder, the three group winners and the best-placed second will be seeded for Sunday’s draw.
– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1233961/italy-defeats-nigeria-80-71-olympic-games/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]
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Time for summer league Oni
[url]https://kslsports.com/464751/jazz-trade-30th-pick-to-memphis-grizzlies/[/url]
[QUOTE]The Jazz had depleted their draft stockpile in recent seasons acquiring Mike Conley from the Grizzlies and trading for Jarrell Brantley in 2019, but now have access to additional trade and draft assets in the coming season.
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let's say the main reason why they were depleted at least. Having to pay teams to take bad contracts
[url]https://kslsports.com/464866/italy-advances-to-olympic-quarterfinals-tops-nigeria-80-71/[/url]
Utah Jazz guard Miye Oni scored three points on 1/8 shooting, including 1/6 on three-pointers. He added two rebounds and two assists in 21 minutes on the court.
[url]https://kslsports.com/464863/australia-beats-germany-89-76-to-sweep-basketball-pool/[/url]
Utah Jazz forward Joe Ingles scored six points on 2-8 shooting, including 2-6 on three-pointers. He added five rebounds, three assists, and three steals. Ingles posted a plus-11 rating during his nearly 27 minutes of action.
Former Jazzman Dante Exum added eight points, four rebounds, three assists, and a steal.
[url]https://kslsports.com/464854/gobert-sees-limited-minutes-for-france-against-iran/[/url]
The Utah Jazz star played just under 18 minutes for the French National team, recording six points, four rebounds, an assist, and two steals as they blew out Iran [URL="http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics/men/2020/game/3107/Iran-France#tab=boxscore"]79-62[/URL].
Gobert played all of his minutes in the first and third quarters of the matchup, resting the second and fourth quarters.
Gobert and France move onto the quarterfinals where they will be joined by Jazz teammate Joe Ingles and Australia. Luka Doncic and Slovenia, while former Jazzman Ricky Rubio and Spain have already advanced to the quarterfinals as well.
The quarterfinals is made up of the top two teams from each of the three group play tournaments, plus the two best third-place finishers. So far, the Gobert-led French roster is the only team to advance to the quarterfinals with a perfect record.
The Men’s Olympic Basketball quarterfinals will begin on Monday.
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22601142/baylor-bears-guard-jared-butler-impressed-jazz-off-the-court-and-on-justin-zanik-sunday-school[/url]
[QUOTE]“I’m very proud of our staff that does a really good job of making sure that we have as much intel and information,” Zanik said. “We’ve had an opportunity to closely follow that from some personal ties, not necessarily to Jared, but to the (Baylor) program. That gives you a lot more confidence in the information you’re seeing and taking in.”
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i.e. the Wizard Lindsey
[URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22602453/nba-offseason-central-utah-jazz-mike-conley-jared-butler"]https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22602453/nba-offseason-central-utah-jazz-mike-conley-jared-butler
[/URL]Speaking of Conley and free agency, NBA reporter Marc Stein reported Friday that the Jazz are preparing to offer him a 3-year, $75 million deal next week.
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22602030/national-media-loved-the-utah-jazz-selection-of-jared-butler-in-the-nba-draft[/url]
[QUOTE]Hollinger was downright excited about the pick, writing, “Yes!!! Great pick for Utah ... at this point in the draft the risk of a player failing due to lack of talent far exceeds any risk of him failing due to injury. Butler gives the Jazz a high-level combo guard who can play next to Donovan Mitchell or [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22602079/the-utah-jazz-reportedly-have-a-contract-offer-ready-for-mike-conley-nba-free-agency"]Mike Conley[/URL], and could be good enough to play rotation minutes right away.”[/QUOTE]
there's no reason to expect him to be ready to play right away. COTY might play him like he has other rookies but he won't be ready. No one has been yet
[QUOTE]“Didn’t think the NCAA tournament’s most outstanding player would slide that far into the second round. ... Still, his college resume speaks for itself: third-team All-American in 2020 and a consensus first-team All-American in 2021 as he led the Bears to a national championship.”
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Trey Burke had quite the resume too :roll:
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22601802/reports-utah-jazz-will-trade-derrick-favors-to-oklahoma-city-thunder[/url]
[QUOTE]Favors’ production dropped off big time, however, and the Jazz’s Achilles’ heel during their second-round playoff exit against the LA Clippers (Favors played the best he had all season in the first round against the Memphis Grizzlies) was that they had no options to go small at center to match the Clippers.
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they had several options. Just didn't have a coach willing to try any other options. He still has a job! :facepalm
[url]https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/30/22598631/utah-jazz-liked-jared-butler-and-were-happy-to-get-him-with-40th-pick-in-nba-draft[/url]
[QUOTE]Originally Butler had committed to play at Alabama, but was granted a release from his letter of intent and accepted a scholarship from Baylor — a spot that was coincidentally opened by the sudden retirement of [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/big12/2019/03/05/baylor-guard-jake-lindsey-diagnosed-rare-disorder-quits-basketball/3068420002/"]Jake Lindsey[/URL], the son of former Jazz vice president of basketball operations [URL="https://www.deseret.com/2021/6/27/22553491/utah-jazz-executive-dennis-lindsey-moving-into-advisory-role-with-the-team"]Dennis Lindsey[/URL].
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interesting
[QUOTE]Despite the fact that Butler doesn’t have the greatest wingspan (6-foot-4), it hasn’t held him back on the defensive end. He’s incredibly active with his hands, averaging two steals per game in his junior season, plus a ton of deflections.
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obviously Lindsey isn't any charge anymore. The obsession over length may be over in Utah finally
[QUOTE]Even if we assume that all is not finalized until Aug. 6, which is when all free agents and signings can be made official, it should mean that Butler will be available to play in the NBA’s Las Vegas Summer League, which begins on Aug. 8.
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that sucks
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/follow-the-benjamins-money-tracker/[/url]
[QUOTE][B]Utah[/B]: The Jazz are $13M or so under the tax without even accounting for Conley, so it will likely be just the TMLE for them. (They also have TPEs, the largest of which they just created in the Derrick Favors deal. But it’s unlikely they use them since the whole point there was to avoid a massive tax bill.)
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hopefully the main point was to get better. Favors sucked
[QUOTE]The Knicks can maybe offer something close. They were a No. 4 seed last season and figure to bring back most of their core, including All-Star Julius Randle. Of the major cap space teams, they’re the closest to being able to call themselves a contender, but even a Conley addition probably doesn’t move them into the East’s top tier. The Spurs just missed the playoffs and the Thunder will be in rebuilding mode.
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Conley might move NY up in the mix for homecourt in first round
[QUOTE]Then there are the seven teams who [I]could [/I]create room for an 8-figure offer to Conley, but only with sacrifices elsewhere on the roster. Are the Bulls contenders if they add Conley but lose all of Markkanen, Satoransky and Young? What about New Orleans without Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart? Phoenix if the replace Chris Paul with Conley? Toronto is entering a rebuild, and Charlotte can only get to the low teens in cap space.
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NO, Phoenix and Charlotte could all be interesting with Conley
[QUOTE]The teams to watch in this group are probably Dallas and Miami. With superstar Luka Doncic, the Mavs can likely still be competitive even if Hardaway gets away, and the Heat could still get into Mike’s price range by letting Dragic and Iguodala walk, but keeping the Nunn/Robinson duo. Both teams could theoretically make Conley a $20M-plus offer and promise him a more-or-less competitive situation.
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they'd be good fits
[QUOTE]Bottom line: the Jazz have the advantage here. They need to show Conley the love and make their best pitch. If they make him feel wanted and present him with a respectable offer, nobody can offer the combination of money and competitiveness that Utah can.
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hard to imagine him leaving if they pay more and give more years and even then...
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[QUOTE][B]George Hill, 0.3 WAR[/B]
Point, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? This is probably only realistic if Hill is ready to enter the “deep reserve” phase of his career — and if there are no bad feeling from the way his earlier Utah stint ended.
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deep reserve? He should be their first guard. Was a great fit
[QUOTE][B]JaMychal Green, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Big, Declined $7.6M option
Logical Jazz Target? Green is mostly a big, but he shoots and he has spent enough time guarding marquee wings that he should probably be on the list now that he has opted out.
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should have been high on their list a few times now
[QUOTE][B]JaVale McGee, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $4.2M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Another traditional center who the Jazz may consider now that Favors is gone. He’s good at shutting down isos, but otherwise is not a real defensive presence.
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low IQ headcase and the Jazz? No thanks!
[QUOTE][B]Austin Rivers, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Point, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Despite lighting the Jazz up in MSG, he’s a fairly average shooter overall. I could see Utah looking into this if a too-good-to-be-true Clarkson trade opportunity presented itself, but outside of that I don’t see where Rivers fills a need. He’s not really a Conley clone.
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ANY Clarkson deal would be too good to be true. Take Rivers over him anyday
[QUOTE][B]Frank Ntilikina, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Point, RFA, $6.2M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Ntilikina just put up his best shooting season (48% from three, albeit on a small sample), but overall New York appears to finally be moving on mentally from the former lottery pick.
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good defender. Might be someone to look at on the cheap
[QUOTE][B]Terence Davis, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Wing, RFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? He’s small (6’4″) but he’s an OK shooter and he has had success guarding guys who try to score with the ball in their hands. Overall D stats don’t love him, but there could be some potential there.
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nothing wrong with potential
[QUOTE][B]Trey Lyles, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $5.5M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Lyles didn’t jive with certain other personnel during his brief Jazz career — including bristling at Snyder’s thorough practices — so this might be a non-starter.
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too bad. He had potential as well
[QUOTE][B]Juwan Morgan, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Big, RFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? The Jazz still like the idea of Morgan, but it probably wasn’t a great sign when they signed Ersan Ilyasova in a move that pushed the combo big further down the depth chart.
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Ersan was a great move as was Morgan. Keeping COTY isn't
[QUOTE][B]Ersan Ilyasova, 0.0 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? It seems kind of odd that they brought the veteran in while touting his playoff experience but then practically never used him. We’ll see if the Jazz are simply read to move on from that experiment.
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I'd bring him back. He was one of their best players. Maybe COTY would play him after a training camp
[QUOTE][B]Zach Collins, N/A (did not play)[/B]
Big, RFA, $5.4M last year
Logical Jazz Target? It sounds as though Portland may not extend a QO to Collins, a skilled big who has some defensive skills. Just not sure he fits Utah’s need.
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a skilled big with defensive skills certainly fits other than the coach maybe not playing him
[QUOTE][B]Moritz Wagner, -0.3 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? The German has the mobility to do OK on play types where he’s asked to stop the ball. He has played 84% of his career minutes at the 5, so he just got a lot more interesting in a Jazz context after the Favors deal.
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sounds like a possible fit
[QUOTE][B]Mike Scott, -0.5 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $5.0M last year
Logical Jazz Target? The Regional Manager is more of a disruptor on defense than a pure stopper, but he does have a big body and some outside ability.
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possible fit
[QUOTE][B]Garrett Temple, -1.6 WAR[/B]
Guard, UFA, $4.8M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Temple is tough and plays solid defense, although there might be some in his price range who do that and are also slightly more impactful on offense.
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played for COTY
ttps://saltcityhoops.com/2021-free-agent-tracker-with-notes-on-jazz-fit-for-every-fa/
[QUOTE]Logical Jazz Target? You never say “never” because of the sheer talent level here, but Utah’s Quin Snyder has made it clear he wants outside shooting on the wings.
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Your best player is Gobert. It was obvious back at the end of Hayward's last year that you needed to surround him with shooters. The fact that they wasted two more years with Rubio and Favors in the corner was a joke!
[QUOTE][B]Danny Green, 4.6 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $15.4M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Green is the best name that popped when [URL="https://saltcityhoops.com/big-wings-who-defend-shoot-are-in-short-supply/"]we went searching[/URL] for guys with outside shooting, on-ball guarding skills and overall defensive impact. But for all those reasons, he might be too good for the taxpayer MLE.
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might take less to go for another ring but has that chance in Philly
[QUOTE][B]Nicolas Batum, 4.3 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Batum had a nice bounceback year as a shooter and overall impact guy, but he isn’t great when asked to guard the guy with the ball in his hands (like on isos or P&R).
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not ideal but at the 4 where he would mostly play he might be fine
[QUOTE]Logical Jazz Target? Payne is a great catch-and-shoot guy and a solid defender, but it feels a bit like the Jazz filled that rotation spot (a third PG who can play off the ball some) on draft night.[/QUOTE]
filled with a non Duke rookie?
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[B]Bobby Portis, 3.2 WAR[/B]
Big, $3.8M PO
Logical Jazz Target? A 3-and-D *big* who can shoot from deep and guard the ball, he makes some sense as Derrick Favors’ replacement, especially if the Jazz think he can guard bigger wings on a full-time basis.
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Lindsey liked him. Zanik? don't need him to guard wings. Need him to allow O'Neale to concentrate on wings instead of rebounding
[QUOTE][B]Nerlens Noel, 3.2 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $5M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Noel actually does a lot of things well that the Jazz need from their backup bigs, so I would imagine he’s somewhere on their list now that they moved Favors.
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could have had him for half of what Favors got :facepalm
[QUOTE][B]Evan Fournier, 2.7 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $17.5M last year
Logical Jazz Target? If Fournier would consider exception money, this could be a good fit: he is close to Gobert personally, he’s only 28, and he’s a good shooter with some defensive experience against bigger wings (he’s 6’7″).
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he'd have to accept coming off the bench and possibly not even playing much
[QUOTE][B]Richaun Holmes, 2.7 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $5.0 last year
Logical Jazz Target? The Jazz have seen Holmes at his best. He’s a non-shooting big, but he’s energetic and has his moments defensively.
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he's getting paid
[QUOTE][B]Alec Burks, 2.4 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $6M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Hey, weirder things have happened than a reunion with the 6-foot-5 guard. He just had one of his better defensive seasons, and he’s been cleaning up his shot profile to a degree, too. But the Jared Butler selection on draft night makes this less likely.
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COTY prefers Clarkson :lol
[QUOTE][B]Reggie Bullock, 2.4 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $4.2M last year
Logical Jazz Target? If I were going to poach a bench guard from MSG, I’d look here before Burks. Bullock has more defensive chops and is better at the catch-and-shoot threes Utah lives on, even if he doesn’t have the same creation ability.
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might be gettable with NY looking elsewhere possibly
[QUOTE][B]Daniel Theis, 1.9 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $5.0 last year
Logical Jazz Target? Theis is taking (not necessarily making) more threes, which makes him marginally interesting as a Favors replacement.
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like him
[QUOTE][B]Alex Caruso, 1.6 WAR[/B]
Guard, UFA, $2.8M last year
Logical Jazz Target? If Caruso were two inches taller, he might be my favorite target for Utah; he shoots, he’s athletic, he is a hound on defense — but at his size, he only really makes sense if another Jazz guard is on the move somewhere else.
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rather have him than Clarkson anyday
[QUOTE][B]Rudy Gay, 1.6 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $14.5M last year
Logical Jazz Target? There just aren’t that many guys who are 6-foot-8 and have good shooting numbers AND on-ball defensive outcomes. So I think Gay has to be under consideration, even at 35.
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should be a top target
[QUOTE][B]Georges Niang, 1.4 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Certain fans are determined to upgrade these particular 16 minutes a night, but Niang was actually very solid this season! Sure, he struggled in the postseason, but he played his role within the system really well — on both ends.
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one of their few guys that defended. I'd guess someone will pay him and he's gone
[QUOTE][B]Raul Neto, 1.1 WAR[/B]
Point, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? The former Jazzman just had his best pro season yet, but if Conley re-ups, the Jazz already have as many as four rotation-quality guards under 6’5″.
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and he wasn't appreciated first time around. He'd be desperate to come back here or stupid
[QUOTE][B]Robin Lopez, 0.8 WAR[/B]
Big, UFA, $7.3M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Lopez would be an ideal Gobert backup. But he may prefer to sign with someone who has more than 16 minutes available for him..
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didn't play much more than that last year on a bad team. Like him
[QUOTE][B]Trevor Ariza, 0.5 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, $12.8M last year
Logical Jazz Target? Ariza’s WAR (and counting stats) would look better if he had played a whole season, but he can still knock down shots and slow down on-ball scorers. He’s 36, but there appears to be something left in the tank.
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should be on their list
[QUOTE][B]Abdel Nader, 0.5 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Nader is actually pretty legit defensively and is a good knockdown threat from the corners. He makes some sense for Utah, and could come relatively cheap.
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no one will be cheap because of the tax
[QUOTE][B]Kent Bazemore, 0.3 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Bazemore’s defense has slipped a little, but he can still shoot. He’s 32, and small for a wing, but frankly, GSW played better when he started usurping more of Kelly Oubre’s minutes.
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sounds like an option
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[B]Sterling Brown, 0.3 WAR[/B]
Wing, UFA, Minimum last year
Logical Jazz Target? Brown is an improving shooter and an accomplished defender. He should very much be on the radar, although I’d be more interested if he were a little bit bigger than 6’5″.
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length?
Adam Zagoria: Former @SetonHallMBB big man [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Romaro Gill is playing summer league with the Lakers,[/URL] per source
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria"]Twitter AdamZagoria[/URL]
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2021/7/30/22601954/utah-jazz-backup-center-problems-rudy-gobert-derrick-favors[/url]
[QUOTE]So in the last 2 years, the Utah Jazz have burned their only remaining significant free agent possibility by using the ENTIRE MLE on a center, right after using a 1st round pick to draft a center, to then use multiple 2nd round picks to get rid of 2 centers, to then a year later use a 1st round pick to get rid of the center they just signed.
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the worst part is that they needed a starting 4 not a backup 5 and still are in the same situation!
[QUOTE]Now, hindsight is always 20/20. But last year in particular was a fire-able offense. This is what they [I]could[/I] have come away with instead:
Pick #27: Desmond Bane
Pick #38: I’m assuming would still have been used to trade Bradley
Use the some or all of the MLE on: Dario Saric, Jakob Poelel, JaMychal Green, Aron Baynes, Chris Boucher, Kris Dunn, Nerlens Noel, Garrett Temple, Bobby Portis, Wesley Matthews, etc.
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still the same coach is the problem
[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2021/7/29/22601269/utah-jazz-trade-30-pick-to-memphis-grizzlies-for-pick-40-and-2-future-2nds[/url]
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I guess the Jazz have determined that they don’t need a true PF on the team. Posted by [URL="https://www.sbnation.com/users/Fesenko%20for%20President"]Fesenko for President[/URL] on [URL="https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2021/7/29/22601269/utah-jazz-trade-30-pick-to-memphis-grizzlies-for-pick-40-and-2-future-2nds#543060240"]Jul 29, 2021 | 10:18 PM[/URL]
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guess not if COTY won't play them anyway
[url]https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/07/29/nba-playoff-moves-west-suns/[/url]
[QUOTE]Mike Conley went down with an injury and missed the majority of the second round of the playoffs. This left the Jazz with only six reliable players – Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, Royce O’Neale, Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Ingles, and Jordan Clarkson– and it showed. In a Game 1 win, the rest of their players outside of their core six were a -16 in just under 36 minutes. This means, the Jazz were 16 points worse with these players in. In another win in Game 2, -4 in 10 less minutes. After losing the next two in LA, their reliance on their core six showed as the rest of the team played under 20 minutes combined in Game 5 and were a -19. The fatigue of so many minutes clearly set in for the core group when the Jazz blew a 25 point lead in Game 6.
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Clarkson is reliable? Ingles hasn't been in the playoffs and Mitchell isn't defensively.
[QUOTE]Worryingly, the Jazz had the same problem last year. They were forced to start oft-used Juwan Morgan, who had only played 134 career minutes up to that point, in a PLAYOFF game because Bogdanovic was out.
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Morgan is good. Too bad he didn't play this year. They might be champs
[QUOTE]Plain and simple, the rest of the bench is just simply not ready to produce in the playoffs. The Jazz employs multiple former second-round picks at the end of their bench who average under ten minutes a game in the regular season and aren’t useful in playoff runs. The Jazz needs to replace a couple of these guys for veterans who can help them win now.
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we don't know if they are good enough since COTY didn't put them in the game
[QUOTE] Adrian Wojnarowski: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Milwaukee Bucks F Bobby Portis is declining his $3.8M player option and will become a free agent,[/URL] his agent Mark Bartelstein of @Priority Sports tells ESPN.
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/wojespn"]Twitter wojespn[/URL]
Bobby Marks: Portis has non-bird rights in Milwaukee The most Milwaukee can offer is: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]1. $4.3M (non-bird rights- 120% off his 2020-21 $) 2. $5.9M tax ML[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42"]Twitter BobbyMarks42[/URL]
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Zanik like him or just the Wizard? Might not matter because of COTY
Not giving the QO to Juwan Morgan. Trying to save a bit more $ from the sounds of it.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;14408541]Not giving the QO to Juwan Morgan. Trying to save a bit more $ from the sounds of it.[/QUOTE]
COTY won't play him anyway. Might as well let him go. He's good
Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler said he won’t go into detail about his heart condition or his knees when asked about the fit-to-play process pre-draft[/URL]. #TakeNote @kslsports
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]
Ben Anderson: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler said whether or not he’ll play in summer league for the @Utah Jazz is still in flux[/URL]. #TakeNote @kslsports
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/BensHoops"]Twitter BensHoops[/URL]
[URL="https://*********.com/storyline/summer-league-rosters/"] [/URL]
Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler said he knew the Jazz had interest, but they told him they didn’t believe he’d last until No. 30. “It was a rough night for me. But when the Jazz called, I was extremely thankful.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]
Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler, on what he likes about the Jazz: “I like how they shoot a lot of 3s.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]
Eric Walden: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]Jared Butler said his goal as a rookie is “I don’t want to be a liability. … I want you to think I’ve been playing six or seven years.”[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/tribjazz"]Twitter tribjazz[/URL]
Tony Jones: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz are not expected to extend a qualifying offer to Juwan Morgan, making him an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell The Athletic. The two sides have not closed the door on an eventual return. Morgan is expected to have interest on the market[/URL]
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba"]Twitter Tjonesonthenba[/URL]
[QUOTE] Tony Jones: [URL="https://*********.com/social/"]The Utah Jazz have extended qualifying offers to forward Jarrell Brantley and point guard Trent Forrest,[/URL] League Sources tell The Athletic. The moves make both players restricted free agents
– via [URL="https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba"]Twitter Tjonesonthenba[/URL]
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interesting that they let Morgan become unrestricted and not Brantley. Morgan seemed to be a COTY guy his first year while Brantley never has
[url]https://www.ksl.com/article/50215584/after-a-roller-coaster-draft-night-jared-butler-thinks-utah-is-exactly-where-he-should-be-[/url]
[QUOTE]Butler said an emotional Jazz coach Quin Snyder was the first one to call him after the selection.
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COTY likes someone other than the 10 guys he played last year?
[url]https://kslsports.com/464913/report-mike-conley-expected-to-re-sign-with-utah-jazz-on-three-year-deal/[/url]
60 or 75? Big difference!
[url]https://kslsports.com/464895/instant-replay-donovan-mitchell-destroys-shot-attempt-by-camper-with-massive-block/[/url]
play some D on an adult please
[url]https://saltcityhoops.com/follow-the-benjamins-money-tracker/[/url]
[QUOTE][B]Utah[/B]: The Jazz are $13M or so under the tax without even accounting for Conley, so it will likely be just the TMLE for them. (They also have TPEs, the largest of which they just created in the Derrick Favors deal. But it’s unlikely they use them since the whole point there was to avoid a massive tax bill.)
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We actually don't know the point there. Hopefully it was because Favors sucked and they hope to improve the team and COTY proof it
[QUOTE]The only other thing to watch is whether any of the full MLE teams offer Conley enough of an upgrade in competitiveness that he’d take a huge discount. I don’t see it. Philly could waive Hill and replace him with Conley to improve their chances, but they currently have bigger fish to fry with the Ben Simmons question looming. Denver is the only other MLE team that finished anywhere near Utah’s record, and they have Jamal Murray (eventually) returning from injury. Atlanta made the Conference Finals, perhaps ahead of schedule, but they have Trae Young so they likely won’t be looking for a starting-caliber PG with their MLE. Boston is at least a fringe contender who needs a point guard, but is a $9.6M offer from the .500 Celtics really better from something in the $25M range from No. 1 Utah?
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He could decide he wants to be elsewhere and force a sign and trade
A look at the roster pre FA
Gobert/Udoka
O'Neale
Bojan/Oni(Non guarantee)
Mitchell/Clarkson/Hughes/Thomas(2021 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 08/03/2021), MaCio Teague(Exhibit 10)
Ingles/Butler(assuming he is signed to at least a partially guaranteed deal?)
UFA - Conley, Niang, Ersan, Morgan
RFA - Brantley, Forrest
8 guaranteed contracts, 8 camp spots left, 2 two way spots open
Matt Thomas gone.
[QUOTE=El Kabong;14409239]Matt Thomas gone.[/QUOTE]
Guess Zanik not as high on him as the Wizard. Another trade that doesn't look so good