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rather than letting a vaccine temporarily protect me and therefore having a weaker immune system in the long run that can't fight anything off?
Isn't it better to have a strong immune system than a weak, spoiled one that can't fight anything off?
And obviously it's better for at-risk groups to get the vaccine, but I'm talking about healthy, non-old people.
Yeah but the government can't control you if you let your immune system do the fending off for you.
What's happening today is not about fending off Covid. It's about giving up your civil liberties. The "Party" of Science gets further away from Science each and every day. It's mandates, and restrictions.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14427926]Yeah but the government can't control you if you let your immune system do the fending off for you.
What's happening today is not about fending off Covid. It's about giving up your civil liberties. The "Party" of Science gets further away from Science each and every day. It's mandates, and restrictions.[/QUOTE]
gosh you must hate yourself since you are vaxxed. :lol
The best way to be healthy is to let a pharmaceutical company sell you a subscription to an immune system... you like netflix right?
[QUOTE=DoctorP;14427981]gosh you must hate yourself since you are vaxxed. :lol[/QUOTE]
You do understand there is a difference between government mandates and free will correct??
You can't possibly be that daft.
Ok so do you not know how vaccines work...?
No. You need a vaccine to alter your dna to produce spike proteins to combat a virus with a 99.9% survival rate where nearly half the cases are asymptotic.
Also have to update it every six months or so.
No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).
As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.
3braincells.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14428053]No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).
As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.[/QUOTE]
So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?
That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?
[QUOTE=tpols;14428065]So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?
That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?[/QUOTE]
Government has a right to run their jobs how they want. Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.
That is how it has always been and always will be.
[QUOTE=tpols;14428065]So if all government jobs and all corporations mandate it how does anybody make a living?
That's the entire job market, private and public. That is the general public. How is that not a mandate? So starve or vax?[/QUOTE]
Its the textbook definition of fascism - private sector and the government colluding to deprive citizens of their basic rights in a totalitarian manner.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14428069]Its the textbook definition of fascism - private sector and the government colluding to deprive citizens of their basic rights in a totalitarian manner.[/QUOTE]
Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.
Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.
What possible justification can he make at this point?
Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.
And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?
:biggums:
Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14428068]Government has a [B]right to run their jobs how they want[/B]. Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.
That is how it has always been and always will be.[/QUOTE]
You don't know what you're talking about. Nowhere in this country can a business impose whatever hiring practice they want to. It's regulated and protected by state and federal agencies.
[QUOTE=tpols;14428075]Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.
Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.
What possible justification can he make at this point?
Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.
And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?
:biggums:
Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.[/QUOTE]
Everything about blade makes perfect sense when you view him as being legit mentally handicapped... like on a "simple jack" level. Dont be too hard on him, his brain just doesnt work. Its probably best to just ignore.
But yeah, when the govt coerces all businesses to mandate something, its effectively a govt mandate (its also fascism).
[QUOTE=bladefd;14428053]No, the government is not mandating a vaccine for covid unless if you are a government employee (that includes being in the military - you are an employee of the government). Private companies are, but they have a right to if they wish to (as conservatives have always argued).
As long as the government doesn't require the vaccine for the general public, it's all moot.[/QUOTE]
So the government is mandating vaccines.
Thanks for playing. You're a real smart one.
What are the odds blade has actually left his house and stepped foot outside in the last year and half?
May god let covid hit you someday so your antibodies against that 'flu' will become stronger. Expect it to be deadly though but once your status starts faltering, don't come back here to tell us that you deeply regret not taking the vaccine. Because if you do op, then it only shows that you're a much bigger idiot than the countless agenda threads you made in the main forum suggest.
[QUOTE=tpols;14428075]Guys like blade totally dumbfound me. He's saying it isn't a mandate yet you can't earn money anywhere without it. Its totally amazing the mental gymnastics.
Even if you start your own small business...like in NYC they say its mandatory all of your employees are vaxxed or they shut you down. Total monopoly on government jobs, corporate jobs, and small business.
What possible justification can he make at this point?
Its literally go live in the woods and hunt your own food or take this bullshit.
And then he acts like it isn't mandatory?
:biggums:
Totally unreal. He's worse than them for lying like this.[/QUOTE]
Find a job in a company with rules you want. Or you can start your own company then you can make the rules in your business for yourself/your employees.
[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14428079]You don't know what you're talking about. Nowhere in this country can a business impose whatever hiring practice they want to. It's regulated and protected by state and federal agencies.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but mask/vaccine mandates are not required nor prohibited by state/federal laws. There is simply no regulation one way or the other unless if you are a government employee.
[QUOTE=Nanners;14428094]Everything about blade makes perfect sense when you view him as being legit mentally handicapped... like on a "simple jack" level. Dont be too hard on him, his brain just doesnt work. Its probably best to just ignore.
But yeah, when the govt coerces all businesses to mandate something, its effectively a govt mandate (its also fascism).[/QUOTE]
Don't want to read what I have to say? Block me or go kick rocks.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14428068]Government has a right to run their jobs how they want.[B] Individual private companies can run their jobs how they want.[/B]
That is how it has always been and always will be.[/QUOTE]
Were you asleep for all of 2020? The gov't literally arrested people trying to cut hair, serve food, and work out at a gym.
@ OP
Your best bet to live longer is to eat/drink healthy, sleep well, exercise... basic lifestyle modifications.
Stastically, Covid-19 and the vaccine have very little to do with how long you'll live. In fact, I don't believe there is a study out there that shows any of the vaccines increase life expectancy or reduce the chance of hospitalization.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14427916]rather than letting a vaccine temporarily protect me and therefore having a weaker immune system in the long run that can't fight anything off?
Isn't it better to have a strong immune system than a weak, spoiled one that can't fight anything off?
And obviously it's better for at-risk groups to get the vaccine, but I'm talking about healthy, non-old people.[/QUOTE]
I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.
[QUOTE=baudkarma;14428344]I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.[/QUOTE]
This. +1
But.
Cleverness objecting in three. Two. One.
[QUOTE=Cleverness;14428322]@ OP
Your best bet to live longer is to eat/drink healthy, sleep well, exercise... basic lifestyle modifications.
Stastically, Covid-19 and the vaccine have very little to do with how long you'll live. In fact, I don't believe there is a study out there that shows any of the vaccines increase life expectancy or reduce the chance of hospitalization.[/QUOTE]
OP is right - studies are showing that natural immunity is better than va$ immunity...
[url]https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished?fbclid=IwAR31u3Btteo3XKvcwG0QrwRCTd-AaPJDqksef9dmgGhqCKUlxaz9ZCa3ifs[/url]
Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine
The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population
[QUOTE=baudkarma;14428344]I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.[/QUOTE]
No you don't need a vaccine your immune system is literally designed to fight off illnesses like the flu and Covid
As long as you eat healthy Covid shouldn't harm you whatsoever
[QUOTE=Manny98;14428361]Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine
The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population[/QUOTE]
Can you expand on this theory?
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14428037]No. You need a vaccine to [B]alter your dna[/B] to produce spike proteins to combat a virus with a 99.9% survival rate where nearly half the cases are asymptotic.
Also have to update it every six months or so.[/QUOTE]
Stop it.
The reason covid is a problem is because 80% of Americans are fat fvcks
[QUOTE=n00bie;14428422]Can you expand on this theory?[/QUOTE]
It's a fact we have lived millions of years without needing vaccines and other bullshit lab made medication being pumped into our bodies why all of a sudden we can't survive without one now for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14428361]Yes you will live longer if you don't get the vaccine
The vaccine was specifically designed to shorten average lifespan and reduce the Earth's population[/QUOTE]
Lol, you do realize your mommy is still alive around more than 3 months already since taking the vaccine. Right?
[QUOTE=Axe;14428650]Lol, you do realize your mommy is still alive around more than 3 months already since taking the vaccine. Right?[/QUOTE]
If everyone that took the vaccine just dropped dead, you would think it wouldn't be a little obvious that's something fishy is going on?
New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.
[url]https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/[/url]
[QUOTE=baudkarma;14428344]I have a strong immune system. I augment it with flu and Covid vaccines because I want it to have the best weapons available. Getting vaxxed does not weaken the rest of your immune system. It provides you with extra protection against a known threat.[/QUOTE]
Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.
The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass
[QUOTE=3ba11;14429130]Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.
The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass[/QUOTE]
Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine. The vaccine simply 100% ensures you get the full antibodies response (an infection will expose everyone to different amounts of the virus so number of antibodies would differ from person to person) and that you can't get the actual disease from the vaccine itself.
Why would you want to go through an illness when you can get the same antibodies through other means without having to get the illness? It's not like the antibodies from the disease will be stronger than the antibodies from the vaccine.
Also, if you think antibodies from the disease itself will last longer than the vaccine, that won't be the case afaik. You will lose the number of antibodies over time regardless of whether you got it from the virus itself or vaccine.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14429130]Someone that fought off the virus by developing antibodies has a stronger ability to fight off covid variants than someone that needs a new shot every 6 months to prop up their immune system.
The vaccine props up your immune system and it's only temporary (you'll need more shots in the future - some of these vaccines only work for 6 months).. I'll pass[/QUOTE]
True but studies I saw showed 90 days waning immunity (so check out UK study on delta variant as after 90 days va$ is basically equal to non va$ immunity.
[QUOTE=bladefd;14429158]
Antibodies are same regardless of whether they are from the actual disease or the vaccine.
[/QUOTE]
I prefer that my body can develop the antibodies on it's own, instead of needing crutches like a vaccine - I think a more capable immune system that can fight off viruses on it's own and develop it's own antibodies will help me live longer than an immune system that is accustomed to being propped up by a vaccine... Now if we were talking about something more lethal like a contagious cancer that was flying around, then I'd be the first one in line for the vaccine or cure.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14428686]If everyone that took the vaccine just dropped dead, you would think it wouldn't be a little obvious that's something fishy is going on?[/QUOTE]
But that's only a big 'if' as far as that's concerned. It's your choice if you're willing to get a shot or not but i doubt more people died from taking these vaccines than being afflicted by the actual flu/virus.