How Solar is effecting the Chinese Infrastructure

[B][I]"The incredible plunge in the price of photovoltaic systems has made solar power an affordable option for much of the world. And, as long as solar is providing a small fraction of the power on a given grid, there's little holding back the addition of new photovoltaic facilities. But as the fraction of solar power grows, managing the fact that it only generates electricity intermittently becomes a significant grid-management challenge.

At that point, factors other than price become significant in determining how much solar energy makes sense. And those factors can vary from country to country. This means that understanding solar's potential requires a country-specific analysis. This week, researchers in China released an analysis of their country, indicating that solar has now reached a point where it's cost-competitive with coal. The report also states that solar (when coupled with storage) could handle nearly half of China's needs by midcentury."[/I][/B]


[url]https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/the-shifting-economics-of-solar-power-in-china/[/url]

Solar can now compete with other sources of energy, including even natural gas. Of course, some areas get more sunlight than others, and clouds can also make it unreliable at times. Batteries are also expensive and still have room for much more improvement for storing electricity beyond the sun setting.

We should build facilities in and around deserts to make those areas self-sufficient first as quickly as possible. States like Arizona, Utah, Texas and even countries near the equator should be pushing hard for solar right now where they get long daytimes.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14453980]Solar can now compete with other sources of energy, including even natural gas. Of course, some areas get more sunlight than others, and clouds can also make it unreliable at times. Batteries are also expensive and still have room for much more improvement for storing electricity beyond the sun setting.

We should build facilities in and around deserts to make those areas self-sufficient first as quickly as possible. States like Arizona, Utah, Texas and even countries near the equator should be pushing hard for solar right now where they get long daytimes.[/QUOTE]


yeah. We're waiting.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14453980]Solar can now compete with other sources of energy, including even natural gas. Of course, some areas get more sunlight than others, and clouds can also make it unreliable at times. Batteries are also expensive and still have room for much more improvement for storing electricity beyond the sun setting.

We should build facilities in and around deserts to make those areas self-sufficient first as quickly as possible. States like Arizona, Utah, Texas and even [B]countries near the equator should be pushing hard for solar right now where they get long daytimes.[/B][/QUOTE]

Hell No. These countries would be forced to open their economy because they don't have the capability to develop that kind of infrastructure. It would destroy the local economy and displace even more people that the United States doesn't want to absorb

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14454101]Hell No. These countries would be forced to open their economy because they don't have the capability to develop that kind of infrastructure. It would destroy the local economy and displace even more people that the United States doesn't want to absorb[/QUOTE]

Solar would make them independent from relying on other countries for their energy needs. Many of the Latin American and Caribbean countries have like 12-15hrs of sunlight all year long. It would provide more than enough energy for them to go off-the-grid essentially for most of the year, if not all. There can be offshore wind farms too to help at night time as supplemental to the solar energy.

Hell, you can probably stick solar panels on large container ships for all their electric needs (oil for only the motors).

[QUOTE=bladefd;14454114]Solar would make them independent from relying on other countries for their energy needs. Many of the Latin American and Caribbean countries have like 12-15hrs of sunlight all year long. It would provide more than enough energy for them to go off-the-grid essentially for most of the year, if not all. There can be offshore wind farms too to help at night time as supplemental to the solar energy.

Hell, you can probably stick solar panels on large container ships for all their electric needs (oil for only the motors).[/QUOTE]

Tbh theres a shit ton of sun available in central and south america. We just gotta get the rainforests out of the way and we can cover all the land in solar panels.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14454114]Solar would make them independent from relying on other countries for their energy needs. Many of the Latin American and Caribbean countries have like 12-15hrs of sunlight all year long. It would provide more than enough energy for them to go off-the-grid essentially for most of the year, if not all.

Hell, you can probably stick solar panels on ships for all their electric needs (oil for only the motors).[/QUOTE]

Why do you think businesses with solar technology would invest in these countries? For humanitarian reason? So the Latin people can be independent and free of their debt obligations to the IMF?

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14454122]Why do you think businesses with solar technology would invest in these countries? For humanitarian reason? So the Latin people can be independent and free of their debt obligations to the IMF?[/QUOTE]

Invest? No, it's called doing business. Latin American countries purchase solar panels and create their own energy instead of importing it. It's a very simple concept.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14454114]Many of the Latin American and Caribbean countries have like 12-15hrs of sunlight all year long. [/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

I know you are retarded but do you really not know how the sun works?

Tell us about these countries that get 15 hours of sunlight all year long

[QUOTE=Nanners;14454153]:oldlol:

I know you are retarded but do you really not know how the sun works?

Tell us about these countries that get 15 hours of sunlight all year long[/QUOTE]

Countries near the equator have 12hrs of sunlight all year long. Bit less than 13 hours on average.

So not 15hrs.

[QUOTE=bladefd;14454148]Invest? No, it's called doing business. Latin American countries purchase solar panels and create their own energy instead of importing it. It's a very simple concept.[/QUOTE]

This isn't how the world works. You think renewable energy is looking for customers? They're looking to capitalize on new opportunities in a much bigger way scale than selling solar panels to a new market. It's not so simple when you factor in corruption either.

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen;14454179]This isn't how the world works. [B]You think renewable energy is looking for customers? They're looking to capitalize on new opportunities in a much bigger way scale than selling solar panels to a new market[/B]. It's not so simple when you factor in corruption either.[/QUOTE]

You don't think solar power companies can successfully do business in Latin America and create new business opportunities? It's not like they would be doing it for free..

The sun has used up about 18 Jupiter's worth of energy in the last 5 billion years. So it has used up about .3 percent of it's mass. That's less than 1%. That's why I said that the stomach mass in that one picture of Highwhey could power a city for thousands of years. It wasn't to make fun of him.

We need to figure out a way to safely use all that power stored in every day matter.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14454121]Tbh theres a shit ton of sun available in central and south america. We just gotta get the rainforests out of the way and we can cover all the land in solar panels.[/QUOTE]

ha

[QUOTE=jstern;14454201]The sun has used up about 18 Jupiter's worth of energy in the last 5 billion years. So it has used up about .3 percent of it's mass. That's less than 1%. That's why I said that the stomach mass in that one picture of Highwhey could power a city for thousands of years. It wasn't to make fun of him.

We need to figure out a way to safely use all that power stored in every day matter.[/QUOTE]

I expected this lol

3 years I plan on putting up 12 panels , and loading batteries for winter as well as backup use in case of an outage...
(Wisc. public Service has upped their prices because of trump's no limit coal burning legislature)

Good points made in this thread. Surely, the business of Solar and batteries is a profitable venture. You need to maintain panels and batteries.

The move away from carbon emmissions remains the goal.

[QUOTE=Jasper;14454283]I expected this lol

3 years I plan on putting up 12 panels , and loading batteries for winter as well as backup use in case of an outage...
(Wisc. public Service has upped their prices because of trump's no limit coal burning legislature)[/QUOTE]

I was wrong though. It hasn't lost 18 Jupiter's worth, but rather 1 Saturn. Which is a lot less mass than one Jupiter, let alone 18.

And it has also lost about 30 Earth's worth of solar wind. Together they don't even equal one Jupiter.

Saturn is about 95 Earths. So all together the sun has lost around 125 Earths in the last 4.5 billion years.

[QUOTE=jstern;14454847]I was wrong though. It hasn't lost 18 Jupiter's worth, but rather 1 Saturn. Which is a lot less mass than one Jupiter, let alone 18.

And it has also lost about 30 Earth's worth of solar wind. Together they don't even equal one Jupiter.

Saturn is about 95 Earths. So all together the sun has lost around 125 Earths in the last 4.5 billion years.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, can you elaborate to us a bit further?