Homelessness is only a problem because it’s a convenient option

Make it illegal to camp on sidewalks/streets/parks.

I would seriously dispute living on the street is "convenient". I assume a lot of homeless people would much prefer having access to food and shelter.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14454839]I would seriously dispute living on the street is "convenient". I assume a lot of homeless people would much prefer having access to food and shelter.[/QUOTE]

In my experience 90% of homeless are junkies. These tent cities aka open air drug markets are convenient

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14454843]In my experience [B]90% of homeless are junkies[/B]. These tent cities aka open air drug markets are convenient[/QUOTE]

That's not true, unfortunately.

I'm sure most don't choose to be homeless. It's a vicious cycle: there isn't one state in the US where you can earn min wage and afford rent for an average 1 bedroom. And I'd imagine you would need an address to even get a min wage job in the first place.

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14454833]Make it illegal to camp on sidewalks/streets/parks.[/QUOTE]And how do we police this? Our prisons are already overcrowded.

Whatever Texas and Florida is doing do that. Homelessness has shrunk 20% in Texas over the last 10 years. Homelessness shrunk 55% in Florida over the last 10 years.

Whatever California and New York are doing, don't do that. Homelessness has increased 30%+ in both those states over last 10 years

[url]https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[/url]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14454861]And how do we police this? Our prisons are already overcrowded.[/QUOTE]

Just holding these homeless people to laws that ordinary citizens are held to is a start. Being allowed to piss and shit and leave garbage everywhere. These people don’t do homeless shelters because there are rules. There are no rules in their drug camps

Idk if anyone knows this but petty theft has been decriminalized in San Francisco. You can steal $950 worth of shit and they won’t prosecute you:oldlol:

[url]https://m.youtube.com/c/InvisiblePeople/videos[/url]

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14454887]Just holding these homeless people to laws that ordinary citizens are held to is a start. Being allowed to piss and shit and leave garbage everywhere. These people don’t do homeless shelters because there are rules. There are no rules in their drug camps[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14454890]Idk if anyone knows this but petty theft has been decriminalized in San Francisco. You can steal $950 worth of shit and they won’t prosecute you:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Do you know why? Because prisons are overcrowded. So again, if they can't put people in jail how do you police them? Do we start public lashing? Do we shoot them in the streets? Bring back the Guillotine?

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14454839]I would seriously dispute living on the street is "convenient". I assume a lot of homeless people would much prefer having access to food and shelter.][/QUOTE]

Of course it’s convenient, theres no responsibility or effort required. That’s what convenience is. A lot of permanently homeless are unwilling or incapable of abiding by the basic rules of living in traditional apartments/shelters. They cant/wont behave and they cant/wont work due to addiction or apathy.

People lying sprawled out on the sidewalk in broad daylight arent guys with masters degrees who worked for years but got laid off and just couldnt afford shelter anymore. Such narratives are absurd. The perpetually homeless are people who dont want to or cant meet the requirements necessary for maintaining a residence.

It’s just a reality of human variation. Not everyone is built for a “normal” life. Just like some people refuse to take time off work and relax, they wont stop until theyre billionaires. It’s two extreme ends of a spectrum. Some people’s personal priorities and values result in being homeless.

It just is what it is.

Theres plenty of lovely shelters. To sleep on the street in the city is low IQ

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14454951]Of course it’s convenient, theres no responsibility or effort required. That’s what convenience is. A lot of permanently homeless are unwilling or incapable of abiding by the basic rules of living in traditional apartments/shelters. They cant/wont behave and they cant/wont work due to addiction or apathy.

People lying sprawled out on the sidewalk in broad daylight arent guys with masters degrees who worked for years but got laid off and just couldnt afford shelter anymore. Such narratives are absurd. The perpetually homeless are people who dont want to or cant meet the requirements necessary for maintaining a residence.

It’s just a reality of human variation. Not everyone is built for a “normal” life. Just like some people refuse to take time off work and relax, they wont stop until theyre billionaires. It’s two extreme ends of a spectrum. Some people’s personal priorities and values result in being homeless.

It just is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Well, you and I differ on what convenient is. I would never consider living on the street, being exposed to the elements, completely at risk to being attacked 24 hours a day while not having regular access to food to be convenient in any way, shape or form.

Your narratives are no better than the ones you ridicule. The truth is there are multiple reasons why someone could end up homeless; mental illness, drug addiction, losing their job, an unexpected financial hardship or setback. As much as people would like to stereotype homeless people as being lazy drug addicts, I'd bet there are plenty of regular, hard working people one bad event away from ending up on the streets themselves.

[QUOTE=DoctorP;14454966]Theres plenty of lovely shelters. To sleep on the street in the city is low IQ[/QUOTE]
Well, the welfarefan used to until he got himself a motel 6.

[QUOTE=Axe;14455011]Well, the welfarefan used to until he got himself a motel 6.[/QUOTE]

Movin up in the world :lol

[QUOTE=Axe;14455011]Well, the welfarefan used to until he got himself a motel 6.[/QUOTE]

Bitch you live next to a Hobby Lobby. :durantunimpressed:

[QUOTE=Warriorman;14455078]Bitch you live next to a Hobby Lobby. :durantunimpressed:[/QUOTE]
Stop it, ashy. :ohwell:

:lol

it's easy to generalize and see people as just numbers, but everybody has a story and everybody has their limits; and everybody has or doesn't have luck. yeah, luck - it's a real thing. of course there are those like my own brother who live off of government checks, refuses to admit they're addicts and blames everyone else for their problems armed with every excuse in the book. they hurt themselves and everyone around them without even realizing it. there's no changing these kind of people.

otoh i'm sure there are stories about folks who lost everything (home, family, job) during the subprime mortgage crisis, got themselves back on their feet, maybe started their own business, only to be knocked back down by the covid lockdowns losing it all over again. this is of course an extreme example, but don't think these kinds of things don't happen. everyone has a story.

[video=youtube;XZComkkxeEI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZComkkxeEI&t[/video]

[video=youtube;bto7KJIjzHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bto7KJIjzHI&t[/video]

[video=youtube;DfWFWdcQ4Gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfWFWdcQ4Gs[/video]

[video=youtube;OoX6tG81mxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoX6tG81mxM[/video]

[video=youtube;ZiUFJuQBJmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiUFJuQBJmw[/video]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14455006]Well, you and I differ on what convenient is. I would never consider living on the street, being exposed to the elements, completely at risk to being attacked 24 hours a day while not having regular access to food to be convenient in any way, shape or form.

Your narratives are no better than the ones you ridicule. The truth is there are multiple reasons why someone could end up homeless; mental illness, drug addiction, losing their job, an unexpected financial hardship or setback. As much as people would like to stereotype homeless people as being lazy drug addicts, I'd bet there are plenty of regular, hard working people one bad event away from ending up on the streets themselves.[/QUOTE]


That is why, if you read my post carefully, I said things like “permanently homeless” and “perpetually homeless.”

Of course people can be susceptible to loss of residence. But a shared bedroom in a cheap part of town isnt that hard to attain if you make it a priority. Maybe have to couch surf for a few weeks to sleep and shower and save up some money working at Dollar Tree or whatever. Im not saying it’s easy or glamorous. But it shouldnt be out of the grasp of anyone with basic functionality.

But nobody is homeless LONG TERM unless they are unwilling or unable to maintain the basic responsibilities of having a residence. Which are not all that high tbh. But substance abuse, mental illness, and sheer apathy prevent some people from meeting that standard. It’s inevitable.

The cause of homelessness is real estate. Without private property, people would camp and live off the land eating plants and animals as they pleased. When they don't have that option they just sit, confused, on cement somewhere, waiting for change to buy stuff at mcds or dollar stores. :lol

The industrialists know this and its why they are sympathetic to welfare.

"There are people who chose to live in the streets, just as I chose to live in the White House."--Ronald Reagan

As a country, when you go to war for 20 years straight, you'll end up with a lot of mentally ill people who can't function in regular society by themselves, that's no surprise and the writing has been on the wall for a while now.

For example, just recently some guy was ordered to press a button that fired a missile which killed like 8 kids. He definitely didn't join the army to kill kids, but he did. Can't imagine what it must be like to have that in the back of your mind for the rest of your life.

[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14455592]For example, just recently some guy was ordered to press a button that fired a missile which killed like 8 kids. He definitely didn't join the army to kill kids, but he did. Can't imagine what it must be like to have that in the back of your mind for the rest of your life.[/QUOTE]

Chewing Approves.

Ah those homeless Californian actor videos are hilarious. Can’t feel bad for those people sorry.

[QUOTE=diamenz;14455130]

[video=youtube;ZiUFJuQBJmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiUFJuQBJmw[/video][/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;rmj9_cJ9nxw]https://youtu.be/rmj9_cJ9nxw[/video]

[video=youtube;MKa5UsDz5kQ]https://youtu.be/MKa5UsDz5kQ[/video]

This came up in my recommendations after watching these videos. One of the founding members of Santana found picking through trash in Oakland.

Apparently he killed someone back in 1969 and was convicted of manslaughter thus ending his career. Heartwarming story with Carlos Santana reuniting with him after over 40 years. But as feel good as it may seem pretty sure Santana only met up with him because the spotlight was on him. He's worth 120 million. He had the resources to find him anytime he wanted especially considering his home in the US is just a few miles from where Marcus Malone was wandering the streets.

Unfortunately, he was strolling down the street in 2016 when a tire(or wheel) came off a passing car and struck him, which ended up killing him

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong;14456490][video=youtube;rmj9_cJ9nxw]https://youtu.be/rmj9_cJ9nxw[/video]

[video=youtube;MKa5UsDz5kQ]https://youtu.be/MKa5UsDz5kQ[/video]

This came up in my recommendations after watching these videos. One of the founding members of Santana found picking through trash in Oakland.

Apparently he killed someone back in 1969 and was convicted of manslaughter thus ending his career. Heartwarming story with Carlos Santana reuniting with him after over 40 years. But as feel good as it may seem pretty sure Santana only met up with him because the spotlight was on him. He's worth 120 million. He had the resources to find him anytime he wanted especially considering his home in the US is just a few miles from where Marcus Malone was wandering the streets.

Unfortunately, he was strolling down the street in 2016 when a tire(or wheel) came off a passing car and struck him, which ended up killing him[/QUOTE]

why would he want to reunite with a murderer? :lol

at least he had camera and xtra security with him for the photo op

[QUOTE=DoctorP;14456492]why would he want to reunite with a murderer? :lol

at least he had camera and xtra security with him for the photo op[/QUOTE]

Well it was manslaughter. I couldn't find the circumstances of the crime anywhere on the web. But you are right, a 66 year old cultural icon wasn't going to the streets of Oakland without a heavy security presence. :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14454839]I would seriously dispute living on the street is "convenient". I assume a lot of homeless people would much prefer having access to food and shelter.[/QUOTE]

well done ...

OP doesn't realize most homeless people , have mental disorders.