And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.
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And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14482063]And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.[/QUOTE]
LeBron haters trying to point out that LeBron had Larry Hughes on his 2007 finals squad while avoiding the subject of Jordan failing to make the playoffs that had a 50-32 #1 seed in the east while playing with Larry Hughes:
[IMG]https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg[/IMG]
:roll:
And here is a picture of Rip Hamilton just a couple years after he freed himself from the shackles of that ball hog:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcrfPkBXsAAcSX4.jpg[/IMG]
Wizards Jordan wasn't even a top 25 player in the league.
Here you go again louie lol
Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league yes but Jordan made a living on around 90% midrange jumpshots and was still a star which to me is more impressive.
So basically the same as bron until he got superstars by his side.
Right.
Shit thread ..again hahahaah
[QUOTE=Rysio;14482094]Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league yes but Jordan made a living on around 90% midrange jumpshots and was still a star which to me is more impressive.[/QUOTE]
Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two [U]exact[/U] seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.
And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:
Year 15 Jordan vs year 19 LeBron.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14482099]Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two [U]exact[/U] seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.
And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:[/QUOTE]
I'm confused. You said:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds
:confusedshrug:
They were in the POs before MJ's injury in '02 and had a winning record without Larry Hughes in 2003. Poor OP :(
[QUOTE=Baller789;14482126]I'm confused. You said:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds
:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
2001-02 Eastern Conference #1 seed: New Jersey Nets with a 52-30 record
2002-03 Eastern Conference #1 seed: Detroit Pistons with a 50-32 record
Since the 1979-80 season, there has never been a #1 seed with a lower win percentage than those exact two seasons Jordan played with the Wizards.
OP fantasizes about being Lebum's girlfriend.
Also, Solomon Hill > Lebrone
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14482063]And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.[/QUOTE]
True but i Dougt 40 year old bron will but we'll have to wait and see
Jordan could never play 19 years, he’d be worse than 40 year old Vince Carter because he couldn’t hit a three point shot. Scottie was an impact playoff player late in his career
What’s that mean?
The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14482147]True but i Dougt 40 year old bron will but we'll have to wait and see[/QUOTE]
Again..... Jordan only played 25 or so games once he turned 40.
He's still better than prime MJ.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14482142]OP fantasizes about being Lebum's girlfriend.
Also, Solomon Hill > Lebrone[/QUOTE]
[Img]https://i.postimg.cc/mDWTZXX2/Trans-Bron-Sexuals-lol.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14482063]And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.[/QUOTE]
Lebron failed to make playoffs playing with Carlos Boozer while Deron Williams led them to wcf. Lebron won bronze medal with peak Duncan, Iverson on his squad. Lebron lost in round 2 with a 3x finals mvp winner in Shaq while Kobe with Shaq won 3 titles, Wade and Shaq won a title.
[QUOTE=SATAN;14482178]He's still better than prime MJ.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url])
List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting[/url]
Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote[/url]
Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did[/url]
Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780[/url]
Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG[/url]
[url]http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14482099]Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two [U]exact[/U] seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.
And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:[/QUOTE]
Don't you think you're scrutinizing too much about a player you hate the most at this point?
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14482099]Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two [U]exact[/U] seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.
And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:[/QUOTE]
Its called being injured.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482173]Again..... Jordan only played 25 or so games once he turned 40.[/QUOTE]
Ok then 39 year old bron. You know what i mean
I have no problems having Lebron better than Jordan at an advanced age because he has better longevity.
PEDron stans are so disingenious to compare the two merely by seasons played and ignoring age.
Sure PEDron has more milage (and more PEDS), but let's not act like age doesn't matter and stop-starting a professional sport is actually more detrimental to one's career in a lot of ways.
LeBron is better fact
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14482381]Ok then 39 year old bron. You know what i mean[/QUOTE]
You cant compare though. It took MJ 19yrs to play 15 seasons and that's counting his 17gm season in 95.
19 consecutive >>> needing 19 to play 15.
LeBron isn’t 39 and 40 years old. Also, wasn’t not playing for three years, which is way worse for than staying in shape and continually playing.
[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;14482477]LeBron isn’t 39 and 40 years old. Also, wasn’t not playing for three years, which is way worse for than staying in shape and continually playing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.... real chance of getting injured while sitting in the casino getting drunk and gambling.
If he wasnt in playing shape, he would've never returned. Weak sauce, chico.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482471]You cant compare though. It took MJ 19yrs to play 15 seasons and that's counting his 17gm season in 95.
19 consecutive >>> needing 19 to play 15.[/QUOTE]
You can definitely compare. Your assuming bron has more miles because he played more seasons at the same span but it's a flawed way of thinking. Mj had way more practices. He also had way harder practices. He also didn't take 2 years off in 93 and 94 he wad busting his off every day trying to succeed in baseball. Age here is our best comparison so we'll see how good bron is at 39. My guess is like every other age comparison bron will just be slightly worse than mj.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482480]Yeah.... real chance of getting injured while sitting in the casino getting drunk and gambling.
[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14482207][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url])
List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting[/url]
Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote[/url]
Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did[/url]
Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780[/url]
Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG[/url]
[url]http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url][/QUOTE]
Guys
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14482490]You can definitely compare. Your assuming bron has more miles because he played more seasons at the same span but it's a flawed way of thinking. Mj had way more practices. He also had way harder practices. He also didn't take 2 years off in 93 and 94 he wad busting his off every day trying to succeed in baseball. Age here is our best comparison so we'll see how good bron is at 39. My guess is like every other age comparison bron will just be slightly worse than mj.[/QUOTE]
Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park
There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.
How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482523]How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.[/QUOTE]
So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.
And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14482207][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url])
List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting[/url]
Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote[/url]
Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did[/url]
Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780[/url]
Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG[/url]
[url]http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url][/QUOTE]
MJ was much better.
[QUOTE=Pip' N Rodman;14482525]So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.
And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)[/QUOTE]
The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.
Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482535]The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.
Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.[/QUOTE]
So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ
Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player
[QUOTE=Pip' N Rodman;14482537]So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ
Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player[/QUOTE]
Wear and tear is one thing, but MJ was a machine at that age, too. You're also not factoring that he played professional baseball and had three years of college.
MJ played all 82 games and averaged nearly 39 minutes a game in his final season with Chicago. He put up 29/6/4/2 on 47% in again, one of the slowest paced and greatest defensive eras. Not to mention, he was All-Defensive 1st Team. LeBron was not the better player.
2020 was a free for all with lax perimeter rules. Again, how is this not contextualized?
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482523]How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.[/QUOTE]
So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482548]So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?[/QUOTE]
Adjust for pace and compare the numbers. Youre just deflecting because you only do troll arguments.
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482506]Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park
There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the players dude. Mj is a maniac. His work ethic is as legendary as his determination. I would agree if we weren't talking about mj but mj was apparently putting in a full day of training on game days and non game days. Bron isn't doing anything close to that. So it isn't like we're comparing 2 hrs of baseball training to 2 hrs of basketball training. We're comparing 2 hrs of basketball to 10 hrs of baseball.