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[video=youtube_share;oElDV1fcrDg]https://youtu.be/oElDV1fcrDg[/video]
And he did much of this during the most defensive big men era...imagine if peak MJ played today, this soft, can't impede the offensive player's way to the hoop, wide open lanes era...
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But dur hur, longevity stats doe :lol
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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14664537]1-9[/QUOTE]
Typical high IQ Bronie retort...said no one ever.
I just skimmed through the vid, it stated nothing but stats, a vid twice as long could be made for Wilt. No clear insight on his strengths and weaknesses as a player. Vid only appeals to casuals like OP.
Ben Taylor aka Thinking basketball has superior videos on past players in his channel.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664539]I just skimmed through the vid, it stated nothing but stats, a vid twice as long could be made for Wilt. No clear insight on his strengths and weaknesses as a player. Vid only appeals to casuals like OP.
Ben Taylor aka Thinking basketball has superior videos on past players in his channel.[/QUOTE]
You skimmed because his records got you shook, don't lie :lol
And just recently you were arguing Wilt's scoring was inflated because of pace and overrated due to not translating in wins. 2 threepeats, can Bran even do one FFS? Lol
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664543]You skimmed because his records got you shook, don't lie :lol[/QUOTE]
Once I heard that dude's voice, you could tell he was hired strictly for his voice, he's pretty much reading what someone else wrote. At least that's the impression I got so I skimmed. Once I did that it only confirmed it was a bunch of stats that real fans already know, nothing insightful.
Oh dear TheStan revealing his shocking stupidity once again. :(
When you can't refute the message, attack the messenger :applause:
Can't say I'm shocked, Bronies...
BTW, the vid gives props to LBJ, Kobe and other greats, but it reminds y'all the gap between them and MJ.
Don't get butthurt :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664539]I just skimmed through the vid, it stated nothing but stats, a vid twice as long could be made for Wilt. No clear insight on his strengths and weaknesses as a player. Vid only appeals to casuals like OP.
Ben Taylor aka Thinking basketball has superior videos on past players in his channel.[/QUOTE]
Ben Taylor is literally a massive liar and fraud that claims to determine how often a player misses the open man - this data cannot be determined by anyone
And Jordan had no weaknesses.. The one time they tested him to shoot threes, he turned into Steph Curry on the biggest stage (Finals) - it was so far ahead of it's time that the GOAT could only shrug.. MJ simply could do whatever he wanted on the basketball court.. He had GOAT jumpshooting form so his shooting potential was completely untapped - but whenever he shot 3 attempts or more, he shot at today's standard (37-43%)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14664562]Ben Taylor is literally a massive liar and fraud that claims to determine how often a player misses the open man - this data cannot be determined by anyone
And Jordan had no weaknesses.. The one time they tested him to shoot threes, he turned into Steph Curry on the biggest stage (Finals) - it was so far ahead of it's time that the GOAT could only shrug.. MJ simply could do whatever he wanted on the basketball court.. He had GOAT jumpshooting form so his shooting potential was completely untapped - but whenever he shot 3 attempts or more, he shot at today's standard (37-43%)[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;vr-NKGIg5BQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-NKGIg5BQ[/video]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664563][video=youtube;vr-NKGIg5BQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-NKGIg5BQ[/video][/QUOTE]
Ether.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664563][video=youtube;vr-NKGIg5BQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-NKGIg5BQ[/video][/QUOTE]
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I dunno why Bronies keep bringing up Jordan's atrocious 3 point shooting. :confusedshrug:
I don't think you need stats to know that MJ is the GOAT. He was by far the best player ever rings or zero rings.
OP's got a bunch of Bronies in meltdown mode. :roll:
MJ = 6 Titles, 6 finals MVP's, 5 League MVP's = 17 Points total
Russell = 11 Titles, 0 finals MVP's, 5 League MVP's = 16 Points Total
Kareem = 6 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 6 League MVP's = 14 Points Total
Lebron = 4 Titles, 4 finals MVP's, 4 League MVP's = 12 Points Total
Magic = 5 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 11 Points Total
Duncan = 4 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 2 League MVP's = 9 Points Total
Kobe = 5 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Shaq = 4 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Bird = 3 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Wilt = 2 Titles, 1 finals MVP's, 4 League MVP's = 7 Points Total
Hakeem = 2 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 5 Points Total
Moses Malone = 1 Titles, 1 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 5 Points Total
Kawhi = 2 Titles, 2 finals MVP's = 4 Points Total
Stats, eh? :oldlol:
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In the end:
LeBron's career averages: 27.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg & 7.4 apg
>
jordon's career averages: 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg & 5.3 apg
LeBron's career averages are better even without context. If we include context (the fact that LeBron sustained these averages in 300 more career games played, and the fact that LeBron's averages are dragged down by him entering the league at age 18), then jordon gets destroyed even more.
Now if we're talking about career averages and career totals... :roll:
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664599]Stats, eh? :oldlol:
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In the end:
LeBron's career averages: 27.1 ppg, 7.5 rpg & 7.4 apg
>
jordon's career averages: 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg & 5.3 apg
LeBron's career averages are better even without context. If we include context (the fact that LeBron sustained these averages in 300 more career games played, and the fact that LeBron's averages are dragged down by him entering the league at age 18), then jordon gets destroyed even more.
Now if we're talking about career averages and career totals... :roll:[/QUOTE]
Wow, surely he must have more championships, MVPs, scoring titles, DPOYs, FMVPs ...oh wait :lol
Empty stays, bro, due to longevity, it's nice and all but MJ did more in less time. Simply put, LeBron has played waaay more playoffs games than anyone of those players in that chart.
TheGoatshit and TheStan in yet another poo flinging competition over who’s hero is better at throwing an orange ball through a hoop.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664601]Wow, surely he must have more championships, MVPs, scoring titles, DPOYs, FMVPs ...oh wait :lol
Empty stays, bro, due to longevity, it's nice and all but MJ did more in less time. Simply put, LeBron has played waaay more playoffs games than anyone of those players in that chart.[/QUOTE]
Wow, surely jordon must have at least ONE championship without being ball-and-chained to a single other player. Or at least one playoff series win. Hell, SURELY a .500 season. At least one.... right? Oh wait.
Empty championships, bro (unlike LeBron's). jordon has faced waaaay worse competition relative to his own team's strength than anyone of those players in that chart.
Keep moving them goal posts. You created a thread about stats, but it's not really about stats. Just like you would if you created a thread about winning and someone mentioned Bill Russell. :roll:
[quote=thegoatest;14664618]wow, surely jordon must have at least one championship without being ball-and-chained to a single other player. Or at least one playoff series win. Hell, surely a .500 season. At least one.... Right? Oh wait.
Empty championships, bro (unlike lebron's). Jordon has faced waaaay worse competition relative to his own team's strength than anyone of those players in that chart.
Keep moving them goal posts. You created a thread about stats, but it's not really about stats. Just like you would if you created a thread about winning and someone mentioned bill russell. :roll:[/quote]
Boom!
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664543]You skimmed because his records got you shook, don't lie :lol
And just recently you were arguing Wilt's scoring was inflated because of pace and overrated due to not translating in wins. 2 threepeats, can Bran even do one FFS? Lol[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664618]Wow, surely jordon must have at least ONE championship without being ball-and-chained to a single other player. Or at least one playoff series win. Hell, SURELY a .500 season. At least one.... right? Oh wait.
Empty championships, bro (unlike LeBron's). jordon has faced waaaay worse competition relative to his own team's strength than anyone of those players in that chart.
Keep moving them goal posts. You created a thread about stats, but it's not really about stats. Just like you would if you created a thread about winning and someone mentioned Bill Russell. :roll:[/QUOTE]
What a stupid post, you're basically the only dumbass who makes these desperate arguments. Ball and chained to a player? That player must be a GOAT level, huh? Oh wait, you can't hardly find a poll where Pippen is top 30 :lol. BTW, Magic never won a ring without KAJ, yet no one ever uses that against him because it's a retarded argument, you're grasping at straws, pal. :oldlol:
Facts, MJ played with less All Stars and won more chips. LeBron has continuesly tried to stack the deck but has still less to show for it. You don't want to compare teammates, friend, I assure :pimp:
The fact is that in 2016 LeBron won a championship/FMVP against a 73-9 team with a supporting cast that has a 4-23 record in the 27 games he missed. There wasn't a single all-star/all-NBA/all-defensive player on that squad, unlike jordon had on every Bulls championship team in the 90s.
Another fact is that in 2013 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #2 option who averaged 15.9 ppg in the playoffs, which is lower than any #2 playoff scorer on any Bulls playoff run in the 90s.
A third fact is that in 2020 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #3 option who was nowhere near an all-star spot, and was infinitely worse than the third best player on any of the Bulls championship teams.
These are the facts.
Facts are not friends of jordon extremist alts.
jordon extremist alts always lose when it comes to facts.
Always.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664657]The fact is that in 2016 LeBron won a championship/FMVP against a 73-9 team with a supporting cast that has a 4-23 record in the 27 games he missed. There wasn't a single all-star/all-NBA/all-defensive player on that squad, unlike jordon had on every Bulls championship team in the 90s.
Another fact is that in 2013 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #2 option who averaged 15.9 ppg in the playoffs, which is lower than any #2 playoff scorer on any Bulls playoff run in the 90s.
A third fact is that in 2020 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #3 option who was nowhere near an all-star spot, and was infinitely worse than the third best player on any of the Bulls championship teams.
These are the facts.
Facts are not friends of jordon extremist alts.
jordon extremist alts always lose when it comes to facts.
Always.[/QUOTE]
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TheMan getting triggered again.
[QUOTE=TheGoatest;14664657]The fact is that in 2016 LeBron won a championship/FMVP against a 73-9 team with a supporting cast that has a 4-23 record in the 27 games he missed. There wasn't a single all-star/all-NBA/all-defensive player on that squad, unlike jordon had on every Bulls championship team in the 90s.
Another fact is that in 2013 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #2 option who averaged 15.9 ppg in the playoffs, which is lower than any #2 playoff scorer on any Bulls playoff run in the 90s.
A third fact is that in 2020 LeBron won a championship/FMVP with a #3 option who was nowhere near an all-star spot, and was infinitely worse than the third best player on any of the Bulls championship teams.
These are the facts.
Facts are not friends of jordon extremist alts.
jordon extremist alts always lose when it comes to facts.
Always.[/QUOTE]
Easy, the 2016 Warriors weren't the same in the postseason as they were in the regular season, hell they should have been out in the WCFs had KD and company not completely choked away a 3-1 series lead. Add to that, Curry was hurt, Green was suspended and LeBron had the GOAT sidekick help in Kyrie Irving, who not only completely dominated the unanimous MVP, but also hit the Game 7 winning shot. Stop trying to rewrite history as if James carried the Cavs with zero help, that's what 3ba11 does and you're just as bad as him, but for Bran.
2013, beat a team where KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka where nowhere near their prime...zzzzz.
2020, Mickey Mouse ring, beating a team where Butler scored 26 pts a game, the Heat's next best scorer scored more than 10 pts less than Jimmy Buckets. Both AD and LeBron scored more than Butler. That Heat team was a gutsy hustling team but they were perhaps the worst team to ever make it to the championship round...you want Moar Halp from a 3rd option, bro? That's overkill, lol.
To quote Alphawolf...too EZ.
Next.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664661]Easy, the 2016 Warriors weren't the same in the postseason as they were in the regular season, hell they should have been out in the WCFs had KD and company not completely choked away a 3-1 series lead. Add to that, Curry was hurt, Green was suspended and LeBron had the GOAT sidekick help in Kyrie Irving, who not only completely dominated the unanimous MVP, but also hit the Game 7 winning shot. Stop trying to rewrite history as if James carried the Cavs with zero help, that's what 3ba11 does and you're just as bad as him, but for Bran.
2013, beat a team where KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka where nowhere near their prime...zzzzz.
2020, Mickey Mouse ring, beating a team where Butler scored 26 pts a game, the Heat's next best scorer scored more than 10 pts less than Jimmy Buckets. Both AD and LeBron scored more than Butler. That Heat team was a gutsy hustling team but they were perhaps the worst team to ever make it to the championship round...you want Moar Halp from a 3rd option, bro? That's overkill, lol.
To quote Alphawolf...too EZ.
Next.[/QUOTE]
They beat the Spurs in 2013, casual confirmed.
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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664663]They beat the Spurs in 2013, casual confirmed.
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I got my years mixed up, yeah I saw those Finals, the one where fat boy Diaw was daring LeBron to chuck away? He was having a meh Finals until Ray Ray saved his legacy. The Spurs choked away Game 6, but they came back the next year and tore Bran a new asshole.
That better? :lol
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664665]I got my years mixed up, yeah I saw those Finals, the one where fat boy Diaw was daring LeBron to chuck away? He was having a meh Finals until Ray Ray saved his legacy. The Spurs choked away Game 6, but they came back the next year and tore Bran a new asshole.[/QUOTE]
A real fans knows every Finals from the top of their head. I can give you every Finals matchup from about 1969 to present off the top of my head. Idk how you got 2013 mixed up given it wasn't even a decade ago.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664668]A real fans knows every Finals from the top of their head. I can give you every Finals matchup from about 1969 to present off the top of my head. Idk how you got 2013 mixed up given it wasn't even a decade ago.[/QUOTE]
Still early where I'm at, lol. Anyways, I never claimed to be an NBA historian but I do know the history from when I started paying attention in the mid 80s to now. Everything prior, I've seen some stats and seen some old videos but like I said, I've never claimed to be a stats geek, I dare you to quote me anywhere where I stated such :confusedshrug:
But I do know enough to sniff out rats like Goatits when he tries to rewrite history, especially when I was there and he (Simon) wasn't.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664669][B]Still early where I'm at, lol.[/B] Anyways, I never claimed to be an NBA historian but I do know the history from when I started paying attention in the mid 80s to now. Everything prior, I've seen some stats and seen some old videos but like I said, I've never claimed to be a stats geek, I dare you to quote me anywhere where I stated such :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
It's past 6 am over here, woke up around 30 min ago and was able to catch your error with a quickness. You live in Chicago, it's past 8 over there.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664670]It's past 6 am over here, woke up around 30 min ago and was able to catch your error with a quickness. You live in Chicago, it's past 8 over there.[/QUOTE]
You're in Boston, don't lie. And I'm not in Chicago, I'm from there but I live in Mexico.
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664656] Oh wait, you can't hardly find a poll where Pippen is top 30 :lol. [/QUOTE]
This is also wrong, USA Today had Scottie Pippen top 25 in 2021, The Complex had him #25. I'm sure there is more but too lazy to look it up
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664673]You're in Boston, don't lie. And I'm not in Chicago, I'm from there but I live in Mexico.[/QUOTE]
Don't lie, you're in Chicago hooking up with the cousin. :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664676]Don't lie, you're in Chicago hooking up with the cousin. :lol[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14664676]Don't lie, you're in Chicago hooking up with the cousin. :lol[/QUOTE]
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:facepalm
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She's like third cousin so it's OK, I assure you. :lol
[QUOTE=TheMan;14664684]She's like third cousin so it's OK, I assure you. :lol[/QUOTE]
Isn’t she like 22? How does she feel about a guy in his 60s obsessing over her to the point of using her as his avatar on a basketball board?
[QUOTE=RRR3;14664686]Isn’t she like 22? How does she feel about a guy in his 60s obsessing over her to the point of using her as his avatar on a basketball board?[/QUOTE]
Stop derailing my thread!