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Herro has the potential to averaged 24-25 ppg in the near future. If Herro plays in the 1990's he would be a top 5 combo guard in the league
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I wouldn’t go that far. Tyler has only played three seasons. And in his three seasons he’s performed Jeff Hornacek type numbers. In that 15 - 20 ppg, white boy who can shoot type game from the SG spot. Horny played 15 seasons.
What a clown. Horny played against prime mj. Mj played against prine shaq and at 40 years old played against before prime kobe. Old man be played in this current era. If horny can play like that, theres no reason he cant compete now
Prime Hornacek was an all star over teammate Kevin Johnson so not too sure about that.
No. But Herro has some offensive potential that does step outside of what Hornacek did at his best. Still not even really close to him so far.
Herro will probably reach his all-star level peak but it won’t mean what people would want it to mean.
Guys like Mobley, the French dude, Zion, and maybe Barnes will actually run the league. Herro will get his Carmelo vs the Lakers moment or two of having the honor of losing to them on the basis of talent, and people will hype and think higher of both sides even though he’s not that talented or on their levels.
[QUOTE=BigKobeFan;14666252]What a clown. Horny played against prime mj. Mj played against prine shaq and at 40 years old played against before prime kobe. Old man be played in this current era. If horny can play like that, theres no reason he cant compete now[/QUOTE]
Actually old Yoda Wiz MJ did face prime Kobe. 2002 (23) and certainly 2003 (24 arguably and most likely him at his most physically gifted apex)
Hornacek beat peak Duncan/Robinson something Lebron couldn't do.
Current, entering 4th season Herro is definitely better than any version of Hornacek.
And rookie, 2019-20 version of Herro was also definitely better than past-his-prime 10.9 ppg on .416 in the playoffs averaging version of Hornacek.
Herro has quicker feet and a quicker release. Hornacek was probably more accurate shooting and a better defender.
They are about equal
[QUOTE=TAZORAC;14666561]Herro has quicker feet and a quicker release. Hornacek was probably more accurate shooting and a better defender.
They are about equal[/QUOTE]
Herro has better modern handle too, but totally spot on. Too many players need to dribble now
Herro compares better to Rex Chapman or Bobby Sura, while Hornacek was superior to Klay Thompson across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48) in regular season and postseason... And Reggie Miller destroys Hornacek... there's levels to this
[QUOTE=3ba11;14666771]Herro compares better to Rex Chapman or Bobby Sura, while Hornacek was superior to Klay Thompson across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48) in regular season and postseason... And Reggie Miller destroys Hornacek... there's levels to this[/QUOTE]
Agree. When facing MJ hornacek was a beast obviously
Does Herro play defense at all? If not, then Hornacek still has it.
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14666795]Does Herro play defense at all? If not, then Hornacek still has it.[/QUOTE]
That defense tho [IMG]https://assets.foxdcg.com/dpp-uploaded/images/guarding-jordan-w-jeff-and-abby-hornacek/keyart.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=AirBonner;14666799]That defense tho [IMG]https://assets.foxdcg.com/dpp-uploaded/images/guarding-jordan-w-jeff-and-abby-hornacek/keyart.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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Herro is so overrated. Making way too much money.
[QUOTE=AirBonner;14666799]That defense tho [IMG]https://assets.foxdcg.com/dpp-uploaded/images/guarding-jordan-w-jeff-and-abby-hornacek/keyart.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
He would get some rare possessions on Mike when 6’7 Byron Russell was getting wind from getting burnt. Same thing with Shandon Anderson
Horny was a tough defender, this is some reddit tier pleb racism.
Majerle was also a better defender than anyone Lebron has faced barred Kawhi and PG
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14666201]Herro has the potential to averaged 24-25 ppg in the near future. If Herro plays in the 1990's he would be a top 5 combo guard in the league
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Lol Hornacek in his prime would not get a roster spot today.
[QUOTE=AirBonner;14666799]That defense tho [IMG]https://assets.foxdcg.com/dpp-uploaded/images/guarding-jordan-w-jeff-and-abby-hornacek/keyart.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=AirBonner;14666799]That defense tho [IMG]https://assets.foxdcg.com/dpp-uploaded/images/guarding-jordan-w-jeff-and-abby-hornacek/keyart.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
"What's jordan's best ring?"
Casuals:
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[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;14666239]I wouldn’t go that far. Tyler has only played three seasons. And in his three seasons he’s performed Jeff Hornacek type numbers. In that 15 - 20 ppg, white boy who can shoot type game from the SG spot. Horny played 15 seasons.[/QUOTE]
This year he is averaging almost 25 ppg. I think last year Herro surpassed Hornacek as an NBA player.
No mention of the fact that hirny was a great pg or sg. He was the pg in philly. When stockton took a vreak he was like a bigger less athletic version of john at the 1. Herro had shown he can score the ball in a league where everybody is scoring the ball. He s nothing like horny
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14970314]No mention of the fact that hirny was a great pg or sg. He was the pg in philly. When stockton took a vreak he was like a bigger less athletic version of john at the 1. [B]Herro had shown he can score the ball in a league where everybody is scoring the ball.[/B] He s nothing like horny[/QUOTE]
Well.
Not [I]everybody[/I].
;)
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14970303]This year he is averaging almost 25 ppg. I think last year Herro surpassed Hornacek as an NBA player.[/QUOTE]
He surpassed you in height when he was 4 years old.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14970325]He surpassed you in height when he was 4 years old.[/QUOTE]
He surpassed you in intelligence when he was 3 months old.
[QUOTE=Full Court;14970325]He surpassed you in height when he was 4 years old.[/QUOTE]
You are mentally retarded.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14970330]He surpassed you in intelligence when he was 3 months old.[/QUOTE]
In for your daily bitch fit? :roll:
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14970352]You are mentally retarded.[/QUOTE]
You are both a physical and mental midgit.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/6rfqvBZ/cryinglouie.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Full Court;14970359]You are both a physical and mental midgit.
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/6rfqvBZ/cryinglouie.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Coming from a guy who never posted his pictures and videos here. I'll strangle you if I ever meet you little man. you are a midget.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;14970362]Coming from a guy who never posted his pictures and videos here. I'll strangle you if I ever meet you little man. you are a midget.[/QUOTE]
Nope. What you'll do is continue to cry like a little girl. :roll:
There's a reason you love Lebron so much. Losers are attracted to losers.
:lebroncry:
[QUOTE=90sgoat;14667206]Horny was a tough defender, this is some reddit tier pleb racism.
Majerle was also a better defender than anyone Lebron has faced barred Kawhi and PG[/QUOTE]
Majerle shits all over Hornacek. He was a good shooter and could handle well for a sg in those days (as in initiate a play,) but imo there are a lot of dudes you could replace him or Russell with. I think Utah ultimately just didn’t have the cast around Stockton and Malone. Like you put schrempf and majerle and they prol win a ring. Give them someone with more IQ at center like Longley and they do even better.
That Jazz team had some flawed players. Benoit. Eisley. Foster. Ofc to be fair I dono if that was Prime Horny, but if that’s what you are talking about, herro is better easy, to me.
The only dude out of their bums who I ride with is Carr. Horny would be second cuz he is a gamer, but look at how tiny he is vs MJ.
-Smak
Majerle wasnt a pg. Horny was as well as a two. Sure other guys could have replaced russell but he was the 1st one in that role that jerry liked. Carr was great the 1st year they had him but as was usually the case in utah they hung on to him to long. Should have been gone after his 2nd year. Collins had plenty of iq at center thats why sloan liked him. It wasnt because he was good! Whatvplayer isnt flawed? I liked foster. I liked benoit before they ever had russell. Again the coach didnt which is all that mattered in utah and that was a big part of the problem. He got out coached thoroughly by phil
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14970607]Majerle wasnt a pg. Horny was as well as a two. Sure other guys could have replaced russell but he was the 1st one in that role that jerry liked. Carr was great the 1st year they had him but as was usually the case in utah they hung on to him to long. Should have been gone after his 2nd year. Collins had plenty of iq at center thats why sloan liked him. It wasnt because he was good! Whatvplayer isnt flawed? I liked foster. I liked benoit before they ever had russell. Again the coach didnt which is all that mattered in utah and that was a big part of the problem. He got out coached thoroughly by phil[/QUOTE]
Foster was cool, but he’s not a championship player any more than slava medvedenko.
I enjoyed Benoit as well, more than Russell, but he played like most young athletes do.
Imagine Jazz with Hornacek spelling Stockton and playing scorer as 6th man.
I can’t say he got outcoached because I feel chi was just better. The only guy to truly go to is Malone. Stockton can score as well as any pg can (true pg,) but he just scored in the gaps. Ideally they’d have at least one other guy who could score. That’s why I kinda liked Carr is he came in and pretended he was baby Karl. Didn’t always work, but I feel it helped the team.
Ron Harper was super underrated imo. One could compare him to someone like Suns Grant Hill imo, but not really as good at shooting. He was big and could punish guards. Having kukoc off the bench meant they had four guys who could break down the D: pip, mj, toni, and harper. At that point just role players is ok cuz there is generally someone on floor that can do it. When stockton AND malone weren’t on floor, Jazz were meh.
I concede I dunno about their team much other than vs Shaq and Finals, tho. I saw enough.
-Smak
You forgot shandon anderson wo could score. Should have paid him and made horny their 6th man when his knees were gone but they never had that kind of vision. See if ainge can change that
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;14970942]You forgot shandon anderson wo could score. Should have paid him and made horny their 6th man when his knees were gone but they never had that kind of vision. See if ainge can change that[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I did actually forget him, and I liked how he balled, but he's still a piece of a team, not a championship starter imo. They did a lot with inferior talent, imo. They had amazing dudes in Malone and Stockton, but the rest of their guys outside of Hornacek were role players. And Hornacek wasn't a great fit to be one of their top scorers. It's kinda amazing how they had a team full of guys averaging like 13 ppg.
So, in a way I do think Herro might be better, but I am not a huge expert on him, either. But I feel like he could get 20 even back then. It's kinda a weird comparison because I would say people regard Herro as a star and prol a Max guy now haha. Horny is not and never was.
-Smak