'84, '96, '03 Drafts

Which Draft do you think is the best. My way of figuring out was to count the number of strong or great or memorable players in each draft. From that, so far the '96 is the best,(IMO) but I believe the '03 Draft will eclipse it. What do you guys think?
[B]'03[/B]
NO. TEAM SELECTION P School/Country
1. Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James F St. Vincent-St. Mary's HS
2. Detroit Pistons Darko Milicic F/C Serbia and Montenegro
3. Denver Nuggets Carmelo Anthony F Syracuse
4. Toronto Raptors Chris Bosh F Georgia Tech
5. Miami Heat Dwyane Wade G Marquette
6. Los Angeles Clippers Chris Kaman C Central Michigan
7. Chicago Bulls Kirk Hinrich G Kansas
8. Milwaukee Bucks T.J. Ford G Texas
9. New York Knicks Mike Sweetney F, Georgetown
10. Washington Wizards Jarvis Hayes G/F Georgia
11. Golden State Warriors Mickael Pietrus G/F France
12. Seattle Sonics Nick Collison F Kansas
13. Memphis Grizzlies Marcus Banks G UNLV (traded to Boston)
14. Seattle Sonics Luke Ridnour G Oregon
15. Orlando Magic Reece Gaines G Louisville
16. Boston Celtics Troy Bell G Boston College(traded to Memphis)
17. Phoenix Suns Zarko Cabarkapa F/C Serbia and Montenegro
18. New Orleans Hornets David West F Xavier
19. Utah Jazz Sasha Pavlovic F Serbia and Montenegro
20. Boston Celtics Dahntay Jones G/F Duke (traded to Memphis)
21. Atlanta Hawks Boris Diaw-Riffiod G/F France
22. New Jersey Nets Zoran Planinic G/F Croatia
23. Portland Trail Blazers Travis Outlaw F Starkville HS
24. Los Angeles Lakers Brian Cook F Illinois
25. Detroit Pistons Carlos Delfino G/F Italy
26. Minnesota Timberwolves Ndudi Ebi F Westbury Christian HS
27. Memphis Grizzlies Kendrick Perkins C Clifton J. Ozen HS(traded to Boston)
28. San Antonio Spurs Leandrinho Barbosa G Brazil (traded to Phoenix)
29. Dallas Mavericks Josh Howard F Wake Forest

ROUND 2

NO. TEAM SELECTION P School/Country
30. New York Knicks Maciej Lampe F Spain
31. Cleveland Cavaliers Jason Kapono F UCLA
32. Los Angeles Lakers Luke Walton F Arizona
33. Miami Heat Jerome Beasley F North Dakota
34. Los Angeles Clippers Sofoklis Schortsanitis F/C Greece
35. Milwaukee Bucks Szymon Szewczyk F Poland
36. Chicago Bulls Mario Austin F Mississippi State
37. Atlanta Hawks Travis Hansen G/F Brigham Young
38. Washington Wizards Steve Blake G Maryland
39. New York Knicks Slavko Vranes C Serbia & Montenegro
40. Golden State Warriors Derrick Zimmerman G Mississippi State
41. Seattle Sonics Willie Green G Detroit Mercy (traded to Philadelphia)
42. Orlando Magic Zaur Pachulia F/C Turkey
43. Milwaukee Bucks Keith Bogans G Kentucky (traded to Orlando)
44. Houston Rockets Malick Badiane F/C Langen
45. Chicago Bulls Matt Bonner F Florida (traded to Toronto)
46. Denver Nuggets Sani Becirovic G Virtus Bologna
47. Utah Jazz Maurice Williams G Alabama
48. New Orleans Hornets James Lang C Central Park Christian School
49. Indiana Pacers James Jones F Miami
50. Philadelphia 76ers Paccelis Morlende G France (traded to Seattle)
51. New Jersey Nets Kyle Korver F Creighton (traded to Philadelphia)
52. Toronto Raptors Remon Van de Hare C Spain
53. Chicago Bulls Tommy Smith F Arizona State
54. Portland Trail Blazers Nedzad Sinanovic C Bosnia
55. Minnesota Timberwolves Rick Rickert F Minnesota
56. Boston Celtics Brandon Hunter F Ohio
57. Dallas Mavericks Xue Yuyang, F China (traded to Denver)
58. Detroit Pistons Andreas Glyniadakis C Greece
[B]'96[/B]
1. Allen Iverson Georgetown Philadelphia
2. Marcus Camby Massachusetts Toronto
3. Shareef Abdur-Rahim California Vancouver
4. Stephon Marbury Georgia Tech Milwaukee (*)
5. Ray Allen Connecticut Minnesota (*)
6. Antoine Walker Kentucky Boston
7. Lorenzen Wright Memphis LA Clippers
8. Kerry Kittles Villanova New Jersey
9. Samaki Walker Louisville Dallas
10. Erick Dampier Mississippi State Indiana
11. Todd Fuller North Carolina State Golden State
12. Vitaly Potapenko Wright State Cleveland
13. Kobe Bryant Lower Merion (PA) HS Charlotte
14. Predrag Stojakovic PAOK Greece Sacramento
15. Steve Nash Santa Clara Phoenix
16. Tony Delk Kentucky Charlotte
17. Jermaine O'Neal Eau Claire (SC) HS Portland
18. John Wallace Syracuse New York
19. Walter McCarty Kentucky New York
20. Zydrunas Ilgauskas Lithuania Cleveland
21. Dontae' Jones Mississippi State New York
22. Roy Rogers Alabama Vancouver
23. Efthimis Rentzias PAOK Greece Denver
24. Derek Fisher Arkansas-Little Rock LA Lakers
25. Martin Muursepp Kalev Tallin (Estonia) Utah (*)
26. Jerome Williams Georgetown Detroit
27. Brian Evans Indiana Orlando
28. Priest Lauderdale Central St/Greece Atlanta
29. Travis Knight Connecticut Chicago

2nd Round
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30. Othella Harrington Georgetown Houston
31. Mark Hendrickson Washington State Philadelphia
32. Ryan Minor Oklahoma Philadelphia
33. Moochie Norris West Florida Milwaukee
34. Shawn Harvey West Virginia State Dallas
35. Joseph Blair Arizona Seattle
36. Doron Sheffer Connecticut LA Clippers
37. Jeff McInnis North Carolina Denver
38. Steve Hamer Tennessee Boston
39. Russ Millard Iowa Phoenix
40. Marcus Mann Mississippi Valley St Golden State
41. Jason Sasser Texas Tech Sacramento
42. Randy Livingston Louisiana State Houston
43. Ben Davis Arizona Phoenix
44. Malik Rose Drexel Charlotte
45. Joe Vogel Colorado State Seattle
46. Marcus Brown Murray State Portland
47. Ron Riley Arizona State Seattle
48. Jamie Feick Michigan State Philadelphia
49. Amal McCaskill Marquette Orlando
50. Terrell Bell Georgia Houston
51. Chris Robinson Western Kentucky Vancouver
52. Mark Pope Kentucky Indiana
53. Jeff Nordgaard Wisconsin-Green Bay Milwaukee
54. Shandon Anderson Georgia Utah
55. Ronnie Henderson Louisiana State Washington
56. Reggie Geary Arizona Cleveland
57. Drew Barry Georgia Tech Seattle
58. Darnell Robinson Arkansas Dallas

[B]'84[/B]
1. Akeem Olajuwon Houston Houston
2. Sam Bowie Kentucky Portland
3. Michael Jordan North Carolina Chicago
4. Sam Perkins North Carolina Dallas
5. Charles Barkley Auburn Philadelphia
6. Melvin Turpin Kentucky Cleveland (*)
7. Alvin Robertson Arkansas San Antonio
8. Lancaster Gordon Louisville LA Clippers
9. Otis Thorpe Providence Kansas City
10. Leon Wood Cal State Fullerton Philadelphia
11. Kevin Willis Michigan State Atlanta
12. Tim McCormick Michigan Seattle (*)
13. Jay Humphries Colorado Phoenix
14. Michael Cage San Diego State LA Clippers
15. Terrance Stansbury Temple Dallas
16. John Stockton Gonzaga Utah
17. Jeff Turner Vanderbilt New Jersey
18. Vern Fleming Georgia Indiana
19. Bernard Thompson Fresno State Portland
20. Tony Campbell Ohio State Detroit
21. Kenny Fields UCLA Milwaukee
22. Tom Sewell Lamar Philadelphia
23. Earl Jones District Of Columbia LA Lakers
24. Michael Young Houston Boston

2nd Round
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25. Devin Durrant Brigham Young Indiana
26. Victor Fleming Xavier Portland
27. Ron Anderson Fresno State Cleveland
28. Cory Blackwell Wisconsin Seattle
29. Stuart Gray UCLA Indiana
30. Steve Burtt Iona Golden State
31. Jay Murphy Boston College Golden State
32. Eric Turner Michigan Detroit
33. Steve Colter New Mexico State Portland
34. Tony Costner St Joseph's Washington
35. Othell Wilson Virginia Golden State
36. Charles A. Jones Louisville Phoenix
37. Ben Coleman Maryland Chicago
38. Charles Sitton Oregon State Dallas
39. Danny Young Wake Forest Seattle
40. Anthony Teachey Wake Forest Dallas
41. Tom Sluby Notre Dame Dallas
42. Willie White Tenn-Chattanooga Denver
43. Greg Wiltjer Victoria (B.C.) Chicago
44. Fred Reynolds Texas-El Paso Washington
45. Gary Plummer Boston University Golden State
46. Jerome Kersey Longwood Portland
47. Ronnie Williams Florida Boston

[B]Only put in the first two rounds of the '84 Draft.[/B]

1984

OMG how could the lakers take Brian Cook over Josh Howard?

Jordan,Hakeem,Barkley, Stockton all greater than Lebron.

2003 is very deep, plus those players still have time to pan out and become great players or solid contributors...

how about assembling a team from those drafts?

2003
PG Kirk Hinrich/TJ Ford/barbosa
SG Dwyane Wade/ Mickael Pietrus?
SF Lebron James/Carmelo Anthony/Josh Howard
PF Chris Bosh/ Nick Collison
C Chris Kaman/Darko Milicic

1996
PG Allen Iverson/Steve Nash/Stephon Marbury
SG Kobe Bryant/Ray Allen
SF Peja Stojakovic/ antoine walker
PF Jermaine O'neal/ Shareef abdur-rahim
C Marcus Camby/ Zadrunas Illgauskas

1984
PG John Stockton/Alvin Roberston
SG Michael Jordan
SF Otis Thorpe?
PF Charles Barkley
C Hakeem Olajuwon/Kevin Willis

based on those teams, id say it goes 84, then 96, then 03.

[QUOTE=Dizzle-2k7]based on those teams, id say it goes 84, then 96, then 03.[/QUOTE]

then you would have been blind

03 owns

[quote=SsKSpurs21]
1984
PG John Stockton/Alvin Roberston
SG Michael Jordan
SF [B]Kersey[/B]Otis Thorpe?
PF Charles Barkley
C Hakeem Olajuwon/Kevin Willis[/quote]

Jerome Kersey was a beast in his prime.

[quote=lemondude]then you would have been blind

03 owns[/quote]

The 96 team is even better than the 03 team.

Nash, Iverson> Kirk Hinrich/TJ Ford/barbosa
Kobe, Ray >Dwyane Wade/ Mickael Pietrus?
Peja, Antoine< lebron James/Carmelo Anthony/Josh Howard
Jermaine,Shreef=Chris Bosh/ Nick Collison
Camby,Z>Chris Kaman/Darko Milicic

Took SsK's '84 squad and added a few names....


PG John Stockton/Alvin Roberston
SG Michael Jordan/[B]Tony Campbell[/B]/[B]Vern Fleming[/B]
SF [B]Jerome Kersey[/B]/Otis Thorpe?
PF Charles Barkley
C Hakeem Olajuwon/Kevin Willis

[QUOTE=WhiteMosɘs]Which Draft do you think is the best. My way of figuring out was to count the number of strong or great or memorable players in each draft. From that, so far the '96 is the best,(IMO) but I believe the '03 Draft will eclipse it. What do you guys think?
[B]'03[/B]
NO. TEAM SELECTION P School/Country
1. Cleveland Cavaliers [B] LeBron James[/B] F St. Vincent-St. Mary's HS
2. Detroit Pistons Darko Milicic F/C Serbia and Montenegro
3. Denver Nuggets [B]Carmelo Anthony[/B] F Syracuse
4. Toronto Raptors [B]Chris Bosh[/B] F Georgia Tech
5. Miami Heat [B]Dwyane Wade[/B] G Marquette
6. Los Angeles Clippers Chris Kaman C Central Michigan
7. Chicago Bulls [B]Kirk Hinrich[/B] G Kansas
8. Milwaukee Bucks [B]T.J. Ford[/B] G Texas
9. New York Knicks Mike Sweetney F, Georgetown
10. Washington Wizards Jarvis Hayes G/F Georgia
11. Golden State Warriors Mickael Pietrus G/F France
12. Seattle Sonics Nick Collison F Kansas
13. Memphis Grizzlies Marcus Banks G UNLV (traded to Boston)
14. Seattle Sonics Luke Ridnour G Oregon
15. Orlando Magic Reece Gaines G Louisville
16. Boston Celtics Troy Bell G Boston College(traded to Memphis)
17. Phoenix Suns Zarko Cabarkapa F/C Serbia and Montenegro
18. New Orleans Hornets David West F Xavier
19. Utah Jazz [B]Sasha Pavlovic[/B] F Serbia and Montenegro
20. Boston Celtics Dahntay Jones G/F Duke (traded to Memphis)
21. Atlanta Hawks [B]Boris Diaw[/B]-Riffiod G/F France
22. New Jersey Nets Zoran Planinic G/F Croatia
23. Portland Trail Blazers Travis Outlaw F Starkville HS
24. Los Angeles Lakers Brian Cook F Illinois
25. Detroit Pistons Carlos Delfino G/F Italy
26. Minnesota Timberwolves Ndudi Ebi F Westbury Christian HS
27. Memphis Grizzlies Kendrick Perkins C Clifton J. Ozen HS(traded to Boston)
28. San Antonio Spurs [B]Leandrinho Barbosa[/B] G Brazil (traded to Phoenix)
29. Dallas Mavericks [B]Josh Howard[/B] F Wake Forest
[/QUOTE]

Look at these players and where they are going in the league i think '03 OWNS.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Took SsK's '84 squad and added a few names....


PG John Stockton/Alvin Roberston
SG Michael Jordan/[B]Tony Campbell[/B]/[B]Vern Fleming[/B]
SF [B]Jerome Kersey[/B]/Otis Thorpe?
PF Charles Barkley
C Hakeem Olajuwon/Kevin Willis[/QUOTE]

thanks kumquat and KO King for filling in those players.

i started watching basketball in the early '90s when the Spurs Drafted a rookie named David Robinson, so i am not familiar with vern fleming and tony campbell.

i do know jerome kersey was good in portland...even participated in a dunk contest if i recall! lol

[QUOTE=pj24lal]Look at these players and where they are going in the league i think '03 OWNS.[/QUOTE]

Diaw--One year wonder, OVERPAID-nobody will touch his contract, role player
Barbosa--Allen Iverson light, light
T.J. Ford--no big thing
Hinrich--I'm the biggest Bulls homer and he's above average for his time and that's it
Pavlovic? LOL, If he's half the player Kersey was, he'll be good.
So...LeBron, Wade and Carmelo are to be proven.

So far (H)Akeem has had a better career than all of those guys combined so...

[QUOTE=xxxSuperStar]Diaw--One year wonder, OVERPAID-nobody will touch his contract, role player
Barbosa--Allen Iverson light, light
T.J. Ford--no big thing
Hinrich--I'm the biggest Bulls homer and he's above average for his time and that's it
Pavlovic? LOL, If he's half the player Kersey was, he'll be good.
So...LeBron, Wade and Carmelo are to be proven.

So far (H)Akeem has had a better career than all of those guys combined so...[/QUOTE]

They've played 4 years in the league and I said "Look at these players and [B]where they are going[/B]" so you can't make the success point til theyre at the end of their careers.

'84 draft produced 2 top 10 players of all time...one being the GOAT.

the '96 draft is obviously the deepest of the three.

the '03 draft has the most potential.

[QUOTE=pj24lal]They've played 4 years in the league and I said "Look at these players and [B]where they are going[/B]" so you can't make the success point til theyre at the end of their careers.[/QUOTE]

How the f*ck can you tell where they are going based on a few seasons? Pavlovic? Couldn't crack double figures in scoring last year, and you figured you'd use him as part of your argument that '03 class is better than '84?

You know how many of those '84 players had seasons that made it look like they were going to be stars?

Sam Bowie was looking like he'd at the very least be an early incarnation of Divac before he blew his knee out. Perkins was dropping 15 a night for the Mavs in his sleep. Jay Humphries was a starting PG on a solid Bucks team and at his peak, no worse than Ford or Hinrich are right now. Michael Cage had a year when he put up 15 PPG and 14 RPG. Led the league in rebounding. There were at least a handful of other players who managed to put up a few decent seasons.

Either way, the quartet of Barkley, MJ, Hakeem, and Stockton is mindblowing. Each one was top-3 all time at their position.

[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]How the f*ck can you tell where they are going based on a few seasons? Pavlovic? Couldn't crack double figures in scoring last year, and you figured you'd use him as part of your argument that '03 class is better than '84?

You know how many of those '84 players had seasons that made it look like they were going to be stars?

Sam Bowie was looking like he'd at the very least be an early incarnation of Divac before he blew his knee out. Perkins was dropping 15 a night for the Mavs in his sleep. Jay Humphries was a starting PG on a solid Bucks team and at his peak, no worse than Ford or Hinrich are right now. Michael Cage had a year when he put up 15 PPG and 14 RPG. Led the league in rebounding. There were at least a handful of other players who managed to put up a few decent seasons.

Either way, the quartet of Barkley, MJ, Hakeem, and Stockton is mindblowing. Each one was top-3 all time at their position.[/QUOTE]

Look I ain't gonna argue about what may or may not happen in the future any more what's the point, no-one knows. And yes, Pavlovic was the weak link in my "potential" point but he played in the finals last year so I took that to mind.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Took SsK's '84 squad and added a few names....


PG John Stockton/Alvin Roberston
SG Michael Jordan/[B]Tony Campbell[/B]/[B]Vern Fleming[/B]
SF [B]Jerome Kersey[/B]/Otis Thorpe?
PF Charles Barkley
C Hakeem Olajuwon/Kevin Willis[/QUOTE]
that's better but let's do this:

pg Stockton / Robertson
sg Jordan / Campbell (but actually you'd just use a three guard rotations since alvin can play the 1 and the 2 and defends both great)
sf barkley / kersey
pf perkins / thorpe (no need to omit sam perkins)
c olajuwon / willis

this is the least deep of the three teams in terms of individual talent, but if you actually intend to play games, imo, it is the best. look at the minutes:

Center: 36 Akeem, 12 Willis
PF: 24 Barkley, 24 Kersey or Thorpe depending on if you need power or shooting
SF: 12 Jordan, 12 Barkley, 24 Kersey
SG:24 Jordan, 24 Robertson
PG: 36 Stockton, 12 Robertson

or you could cut back robertson's minutes, play michael more at the 2 and get more out of all the terrific big guys. or you could cut more of the big guys to give charles more time at the 4.

you could go super defense with alvin, mj, kersey, thorpe, and akeem or unguardable offense with stockton, jordan, barkley, perkins, and akeem. you could play a running game, a pick and roll game, an inside outside game, or any number of isolation games.

you would dominate the boards against basically all competition. you would create more turnovers than any other draft class by far (jordan, alvin, and stockton are all over the all-time steals list - and so is hakeem who also happens to own the all time blocks mark - jordan has the most blocks by a guard and chuck, willis, perkins, and thorpe could all block a shot in their youth).

you've got a couple dead eye shooters, two absolute forces in the low post, one monster in the high post, and one of the 5 best passers the game has ever seen. you've got untenable matchups who require double teams in jordan, barkley, and akeem, all of whom are great passers to open cutters and shooters, and all of whom know when to cut and how to shoot. you've got one of the strongest most intense practice leaders in history (jordan), as well as a good humor guy to keep the mood light and the confidence high (charles), and two quiet professional floor leaders (john and akeem).

no weaknesses. tons of strengths. great team. overall talent, very top heavy. actual gameplay, a very hard team to beat.

Imagine if Drexler would have stayed all four years at Houston and came out in the 84 draft & Patrick Ewing would have came out a season earlier instead of 85.


[B][SIZE="3"]Sh.it !!!![/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=pj24lal]They've played 4 years in the league and I said "Look at these players and [B]where they are going[/B]" so you can't make the success point til theyre at the end of their careers.[/QUOTE]

I look at them and I imagine where they are going. I see none of them (except for perhaps Lebron) being top 5 at their position. Jordan, Olajuwon, Barkley and Stockton are locked at top 5 in their position so...

1984: Jordan, Stockton, Barkley, Hakeem
1996: Kobe, Allen, Nash, Iverson
2003: LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Carmelo


I say 1984.

1992.

84>03>96

[QUOTE=rknine15]1984[/QUOTE]


/thread

2003 was reaaly really strong, maybe 5 HOF`s, but 1984 had 4 iirc.
But since 84 was the year the GOAT was sraftet, and you also have the alltime assist leader and Hakeem, I have go for 1984, obviously.

1984