How come Pro-Palestine protesters are always young disheveled looking dorks??

You never see a Soccer Mom or a high-powered attorney or a neurosurgeon out there protesting. It's always the disgusting, smelly, jobless losers that look like RRR3. I've always been fascinated by this. And they're young too. They don't know shit about shit, but yet they feel they know about Middle East affairs?? It's laughable. :oldlol:

The people that know the most about Middle East affairs stay at home or work for governments trying to influence policy. They're not homeless smelly purple-haired freaks that look like RRR3 that eat hot pockets as a regular diet.

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Speak of the devil and he shall appear! :oldlol:

There's a very good scientific and peer reviewed reason that liberals, much more than Republicans, choose to fill their lives with outrage and victimization. I'll probably make a topic about it in the next few days

[QUOTE=Media Moderator;14896612]There's a very good scientific and peer reviewed reason that liberals, much more than Republicans, choose to fill their lives with outrage and victimization. I'll probably make a topic about it in the next few days[/QUOTE]

Please do cause I'm really curious now.

Genetic rejects. I dont even need to know what they are protesting anymore. Whatever it is they are opposing, I support. :pimp:

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14896643]Genetic rejects. I dont even need to know what they are protesting anymore. Whatever it is they are opposing, I support. :pimp:[/QUOTE]
So you support Genocide.

The weekend, labor rights, suffrage this all came from individuals who were willing to sacrifice their time and well-being to make the world better by protesting. Not everyone wants to do it, but someone has to.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14896588][IMG]https://i.ibb.co/FDYX3b0/IMG-3803.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

my god - u nailed it (dork city)

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14896643]Genetic rejects. I dont even need to know what they are protesting anymore. Whatever it is they are opposing, I support. :pimp:[/QUOTE]

u hav to be the 2nd dumbest fvcker on here , next to patsy

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14896643]Genetic rejects. I dont even need to know what they are protesting anymore. Whatever it is they are opposing, I support. :pimp:[/QUOTE]

...mass slaughter? do better bro.

[QUOTE=JohnnySic;14896643]Genetic rejects. I dont even need to know what they are protesting anymore. Whatever it is they are opposing, I support. :pimp:[/QUOTE]

Yikes. Horrible mindset to have

[QUOTE=RRR3;14896644]So you support Genocide.[/QUOTE]

We strongly oppose radical Islam killing innocent Jews and Christians around the world.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14896671]We strongly oppose radical Islam killing innocent Jews and Christians around the world.[/QUOTE]

Fair.

How do you feel about regular Islamic folks having their livelihoods (and often lives) stolen by wealthy Jews and Christians in the area acting on financial interest?

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14896670]Yikes. Horrible mindset to have[/QUOTE]You call it what you want, but I for one applaud him for his self awareness.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14896588][IMG]https://i.ibb.co/FDYX3b0/IMG-3803.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:lol

[QUOTE=RRR3;14896588][IMG]https://i.ibb.co/FDYX3b0/IMG-3803.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

This guy supports Israel?

I wouldn't say I am pro-Palestine but I am against Israel's over the top response to the terrorist attacks. I believe Hamas is funded by Israel to self-harm. With Hamas attacking Israel, Israel continues to be the beneficiary of support and complete oversight of Palestine and their sovereignty. Call my beliefs of Israel a conspiracy but one must admit it has merit, especially when considering the US's own history with the middle-east. Either way, what Israel is doing right now to all of Gaza (not just the 'terrorist') is criminal. How are they determining who is part of Hamas versus isn't amongst the population? And dont get me started about the aid...

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14896674]Fair.

How do you feel about regular Islamic folks having their livelihoods (and often lives) stolen by wealthy Jews and Christians in the area acting on financial interest?[/QUOTE]

Notice how he didn't respond to this :oldlol:

He doesn't condemn the murder of innocent children and women all because of the religion they're associated with.

[QUOTE=SaltyMeatballs;14897187]Notice how he didn't respond to this :oldlol:

He doesn't condemn the murder of innocent children and women all because of the religion they're associated with.[/QUOTE]


All I see is Israel eradicating Hamas. If Hamas is hiding in buildings and hospitals where thousands of innocent civilians are also in (which has been proven to be true), then while it is a shame, these victims are casualties of war and the finger should be pointed at the people who put these innocent lives in that position in the first place, and that's Hamas. If Israel does not eliminate Hamas from every corner of Gaza, then Hamas will reorganize and attack Israel again.

Anyone with a brain knows this.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;[URL="tel:14897216"][URL="tel:14897216"]14897216[/URL][/URL]]All I see is Israel eradicating Hamas. If Hamas is hiding in buildings and hospitals where thousands of innocent civilians are also in (which has been proven to be true), then while it is a shame, these victims are casualties of war and the finger should be pointed at the people who put these innocent lives in that position in the first place, and that's Hamas. If Israel does not eliminate Hamas from every corner of Gaza, then Hamas will reorganize and attack Israel again.

Anyone with a brain knows this.[/QUOTE]


so how exactly are they determining who is part of hamas and who isn’t? We’re the 13000 children killed also part of Hamas? There have been 31k deaths, so one out of every three has been a child pat. Let that sink in. We’ve stated innocent until proven guilty on numerous topics in regards to the domestic issues here but do you not believe that thought process should be applied everywhere? Is due process limited to the United States? I for one believe it needs to be worldwide hence why I condemn the actions of Israel, not that anyone cares or is listening. And I say that as someone who has historically voted republican.

everyone should have a right to defend themselves in court, not just be slaughtered because an armed militia thinks you’re a terrorist.

if we want to recognize Israel as an allie we have to hold them accountable and to a similar standard as ourselves otherwise we’re making a grave mistake.


apologizes on the typos I am on my phone.

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14897281]so how exactly are they determining who is part of hamas and who isn’t? We’re the 13000 children killed also part of Hamas? There have been 31k deaths, so one out of every three has been a child pat. Let that sink in. We’ve stated innocent until proven guilty on numerous topics in regards to the domestic issues here but do you not believe that thought process should be applied everywhere? Is due process limited to the United States? I for one believe it needs to be worldwide hence why I condemn the actions of Israel, not that anyone cares or is listening. And I say that as someone who has historically voted republican.

everyone should have a right to defend themselves in court, not just be slaughtered because an armed militia thinks you’re a terrorist.

if we want to recognize Israel as an allie we have to hold them accountable and to a similar standard as ourselves otherwise we’re making a grave mistake.


apologizes on the typos I am on my phone.[/QUOTE]

I'm only stating what I think is Israel's mindset right now. It's impossible to determine who is Hamas and who isn't. The Hamas network is literally underground. The entire network is literally underneath every building in Gaza. So you warn citizens that you're going to level the building, and after a determined amount of time, you level it, destroying the tunnel network beneath it.

If I was a fly on the wall in these meetings between Netanyahu and his war commanders, I would wager that the consensus decision is to wipe out everything that they perceive to be a Hamas hideout or threat. And it's not like they haven't warned Gazans to flee certain areas. They have. They have dropped leaflets from the sky, etc. Contrary to what every psycho Liberal wants you to believe, there isn't anyone who is happy or cheering on all this death and destruction. But I firmly believe Israel came to the decision a long time ago that their goal was to never have this happen again and this is the only way they were going to achieve that. Smoke out or crush every Hamas militant no matter what the cost. Hamas will never exist in Gaza after Israel is done.


Plus, and this is a big deal that most people overlook, Hamas has still not released their hostages. That's if they're still even alive.


And Israel understands what other nations apparently don't. That if you cease fire now and if you do not get every last Hamas rat left, then Israel will be attacked again. It's not a matter of if, it will be a matter of when.

So we're thinking that ending Hamas resolves the issues in the region? This is why people call you, and those sharing similar views on this issue, short-sighted. This is not [I]just[/I] about Hamas. They're merely the vessel at the moment.

The Israel-Palestine relationship was fractured a very long time ago. All measures this extreme are going to do is scar impressionable people and create an entire new militant group, or groups 5, 10, 20 years from now.

This is not the end. You're either lying to yourself or are willfully ignorant if you think all Israel is after (big picture-wise in particular) is eliminating Hamas.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14897304]So we're thinking that ending Hamas resolves the issues in the region? This is why people call you, and those sharing similar views on this issue, short-sighted. This is not [I]just[/I] about Hamas. They're merely the vessel at the moment.

The Israel-Palestine relationship was fractured a very long time ago. All measures this extreme are going to do is scar impressionable people and create an entire new militant group, or groups 5, 10, 20 years from now.

This is not the end. You're either lying to yourself or are willfully ignorant if you think all Israel is after (big picture-wise in particular) is eliminating Hamas.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing short-sighted about this. To the contrary actually. What's short-sighted is thinking that killing a few Hamas militants in retaliation after October 7th will end the war. Israel is not turning back around and begging them to release our hostages while they ask for 20 or 30 Hamas terrorists to be released for one Israeli hostage. You cannot bargain with these people. You can only hope to eradicate them and control the narrative from here on out.

The issue in the region will never be solved so long as Muslims continue to hate Jews and want to take back Israel from the Jews. What this current situation resolves is the issue of Hamas in Gaza which has been the immediate threat to Israel for some time now.

If Israel can eliminate Hamas by doing more than they've ever done before to stop them, then it's a win-win for Israel and for stability in that region. It just seems like the lot of you want Israel to get bombed and then want Israel to just go tit for tat for years and years to come. War doesn't work that way. :lol

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14897311]There is nothing short-sighted about this. To the contrary actually. What's short-sighted is thinking that killing a few Hamas militants in retaliation after October 7th will end the war. Israel is not turning back around and begging them to release our hostages while they ask for 20 or 30 Hamas terrorists to be released for one Israeli hostage. You cannot bargain with these people. You can only hope to eradicate them and control the narrative from here on out.

[B]The issue in the region will never be solved so long as Muslims continue to hate Jews and want to take back Israel from the Jews[/B]. What this current situation resolves is the issue of Hamas in Gaza which has been the immediate threat to Israel for some time now.

If Israel can eliminate Hamas by doing more than they've ever done before to stop them, then it's a win-win for Israel and for stability in that region. It just seems like the lot of you want Israel to get bombed and then want Israel to just go tit for tat for years and years to come. War doesn't work that way. :lol[/QUOTE]

And you think this energy is purely coming from one side?

It seems like you're on the side of Israel in wanting to eliminate Palestine as a country, but ignoring the repercussions that would have.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14897315]And you think this energy is purely coming from one side?

It seems like you're on the side of Israel in wanting to eliminate Palestine as a country, but ignoring the repercussions that would have.[/QUOTE]

If Israel wanted to eliminate Palestine as a country, they would have done it years ago. And they could have done it in a day or two with their military firepower.


But Israel has given Palestine plenty of time and concessions to get their shit straight for years. There is a reason why Egypt and Jordan want nothing to do with Palestine and there is a reason why Iran (a terrorist nation that chants "Death to America") does.


This idea that Israel wants to eliminate Palestine is once again a fake narrative by people who despise Israel. The only nation that wants a two-state solution is Israel. Not the other way around. This anti-Israel hate or this extreme criticism of Israel and how they have handled themselves surrounded by an ideology that doesn't want them there is just weird.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14897317]If Israel wanted to eliminate Palestine as a country, they would have done it years ago. And they could have done it in a day or two with their military firepower.


But Israel has given Palestine plenty of time and concessions to get their shit straight for years. There is a reason why Egypt and Jordan want nothing to do with Palestine and there is a reason why Iran (a terrorist nation that chants "Death to America") does.


This idea that Israel wants to eliminate Palestine is once again a fake narrative by people who despise Israel. The only nation that wants a two-state solution is Israel. Not the other way around. This anti-Israel hate or this extreme criticism of Israel and how they have handled themselves surrounded by an ideology that doesn't want them there is just weird.[/QUOTE]

I personally have no dog in this fight. I have no ill will towards Israel as a country, although I think some of the extreme practices and views of Netanyahu and that ilk to be reprehensible.

I'm more interested in attempting to call it like I see rather than picking a side. I've found that this tends to allow for more objectivity.

But yea...of course Israel could in theory eliminate Palestine. That was never the question...

Where we differ is you seem to think that this hasn't been done purely out of the goodness of their hearts. I believe that there are several reasons, particularly the financial relationships with world superpowers who back them, that are almost entirely behind that decision not to. If you actually learn about the history here and the vision of some of the leaders in Israel you might be willing to concede that no...MAYBE they [I]don't[/I] want a two-state nation; they're just forced into it.

I think you're missing a piece of this puzzle. Again, it doesn't always have to be "this thing is bad and this thing is good". It's okay to recognize that the situation can be uncomfortable and harmful for both parties.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14897323][B][SIZE=3]I personally have no dog in this fight[/SIZE][/B]. I have no ill will towards Israel as a country, although I think some of the extreme practices and views of Netanyahu and that ilk to be reprehensible.

I'm more interested in attempting to call it like I see rather than picking a side. I've found that this tends to allow for more objectivity.

But yea...of course Israel could in theory eliminate Palestine. That was never the question...

Where we differ is you seem to think that this hasn't been done purely out of the goodness of their hearts. I believe that there are several reasons, particularly the financial relationships with world superpowers who back them, that are almost entirely behind that decision not to. If you actually learn about the history here and the vision of some of the leaders in Israel you might be willing to concede that no...MAYBE they [I]don't[/I] want a two-state nation; they're just forced into it.

I think you're missing a piece of this puzzle. Again, it doesn't always have to be "this thing is bad and this thing is good". It's okay to recognize that the situation can be uncomfortable and harmful for both parties.[/QUOTE]

Well, you have to have a dog in this fight and it has to be for Israel as a nation, otherwise you're stating that Hamas is justified in its terror tactics towards Israel. One side is a country that inhabits Jews, Christians, Muslims and they co-exist peacefully, and the other is a worldwide recognized terrorist group who has called for the annihilation of the Jewish state and who teaches their children from a young age to hate Jews and Christians. One is a thriving Democracy who treats all of its citizens as equals with equal rights, and the other is not a Democracy where women do not have equal rights and throws gays off rooftops. So yeah, not having a dog in this fight sounds pretty crazy to me.


And I have stated multiple times that the loss of life here on both sides is tragic and unfortunate. I wish it didn't have to happen. But I cannot see Israel as the aggressors here when we look at who they are fighting against. They are fighting against an ideology that would have no problem killing us and subjugating our women. Yeahhhh I think I'll support Israel time and time again.

Blubadub Chewy pretending he didn’t once say gay people should be thrown off rooftops :facepalm

The hippopottapattymus ladies and gents :facepalm

I'm halfway confident that all the protestors and activists who are appalled over the loss of innocent life in Palestine would dance and cheer if the country of Israel and all it's inhabitants were nuked and cratered out of existence.

So it's kind of hard to take them seriously.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14897317]If Israel wanted to eliminate Palestine as a country, they would have done it years ago. And they could have done it in a day or two with their military firepower.[/QUOTE]

And then the whole Arab world would launch a war against Israel and you would have a region wide war in the Middle East.

Israel realizes this.

You don't think things through.

You think with your emotions, not your brains.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14897343]I'm halfway confident that all the protestors and activists who are appalled over the loss of innocent life in Palestine would dance and cheer if the country of Israel and all it's inhabitants were nuked and cratered out of existence.

So it's kind of hard to take them seriously.[/QUOTE]
Another strawman based on the voices in his head :lol

strawler the bawler at it again.


Most people just want the genocide to stop. We know you fully support killing Muslims tho.

I decided to skim through the Israel-Hamas thread just for fun.

This is what 3tard posted on page 1, the day of Oct 7 and the day of the vicious attacks.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14836499][B][SIZE=5]WHAT???? That is a ridiculous way to characterize what is happening my dude. Israel is the aggressor 100%. While killing civilians is undoubtedly wrong, it is going to happen when a group of people are colonized and genocided. [/SIZE][/B] Palestenians are trapped in an open air prison and constantly terrorized by the IDF, with support from the US regardless of who is president. Hamas are not good guys, but they exist because Israel and the US allowed them and even helped them gain power to prevent left wing Palestenian resistance groups from gaining traction. This was so they could paint the other side as terrorists and have an excuse for their evil actions. Palestine is about to suffer so much more for this, and it's already begun with Israel committing several war crimes and Netanyahu warning Palestenians to evacuate despite them being trapped like I said. This is like Ukraine and Russia or Vietnam and America, there is a clear oppressed and oppressor side. While the oppressed may do horrific acts, the oppressors (Israel, Russia, USA) started the conflict to begin with and are responsible for the violence even existing in the first place.[/QUOTE]

^ This is what 3tard was saying the DAY of the attacks. The DAY that infants were killed in their cribs and burned alive, the DAY children were found with their heads chopped off, the DAY women were brutally gang raped and kidnapped, the DAY innocent families were slaughtered and tortured in front of each other.

And what does 3tard have to say?

[B]"Killing civilians is wrong BUT..."[/B]

In one breath he will say there is no excuse, and then literally in the next fukking breath he will start making excuses. You see those weren't actually vicious terrorist attacks carried out by a bunch of sick, twisted, evil, demented fukks... they're just an oppressed people rising up against their oppressors.

So spare us your holier than thou act 3tard. We all know you're a Hamas cheerleader. If Israel was nuked today, you would be arguing they brought it upon themselves.



Short version in case you're too lazy to read the whole post:

[B]GTFO you lying hypocrite.[/B]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14897311]There is nothing short-sighted about this. To the contrary actually. What's short-sighted is thinking that killing a few Hamas militants in retaliation after October 7th will end the war. Israel is not turning back around and begging them to release our hostages while they ask for 20 or 30 Hamas terrorists to be released for one Israeli hostage. You cannot bargain with these people. You can only hope to eradicate them and control the narrative from here on out.

The issue in the region will never be solved so long as Muslims continue to hate Jews and want to take back Israel from the Jews. What this current situation resolves is the issue of Hamas in Gaza which has been the immediate threat to Israel for some time now.

If Israel can eliminate Hamas by doing more than they've ever done before to stop them, then it's a win-win for Israel and for stability in that region. It just seems like the lot of you want Israel to get bombed and then want Israel to just go tit for tat for years and years to come. War doesn't work that way. :lol[/QUOTE]

Israel and Netanyahu helped fuel and build up Hamas over the last couple decades. The HAMAS attack is not something that randomly happened out of the left field. People forget Israel had multiple chances to do something in many years past so this wouldn't have happened.

Netanyahu is incompetent, egoistic prick. He has no business being Israel's leader or the leader of a boy scout troop.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14897372]I decided to skim through the Israel-Hamas thread just for fun.

This is what 3tard posted on page 1, the day of Oct 7 and the day of the vicious attacks.



^ This is what 3tard was saying the DAY of the attacks. The DAY that infants were killed in their cribs and burned alive, the DAY children were found with their heads chopped off, the DAY women were brutally gang raped and kidnapped, the DAY innocent families were slaughtered and tortured in front of each other.

And what does 3tard have to say?

[B]"Killing civilians is wrong BUT..."[/B]

In one breath he will say there is no excuse, and then literally in the next fukking breath he will start making excuses. You see those weren't actually vicious terrorist attacks carried out by a bunch of sick, twisted, evil, demented fukks... they're just an oppressed people rising up against their oppressors.

So spare us your holier than thou act 3tard. We all know you're a Hamas cheerleader. If Israel was nuked today, you would be arguing they brought it upon themselves.



Short version in case you're too lazy to read the whole post:

[B]GTFO you lying hypocrite.[/B][/QUOTE]
That post makes me look great to anyone who’s not insane not sure why you linked it. All your “arguments” as to why I’m wrong are emotional and not based in reality. The fact is brutal colonialism and occupation will lead to violent responses. The Native Americans killed settlers at times. Hamas are bad, but you continually ignore Hamas only exists because of Israel and Israel explicitly helped them gain power in Gaza.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14897377]That post makes me look great to anyone who’s not insane not sure why you linked it. All your “arguments” as to why I’m wrong are emotional and not based in reality. [B][SIZE=4]The fact is brutal colonialism and occupation will lead to violent responses.[/SIZE][/B] The Native Americans killed settlers at times. Hamas are bad, but you continually ignore Hamas only exists because of Israel and Israel explicitly helped them gain power in Gaza.[/QUOTE]

Okay, and by that same token, brutal terrorist attacks also lead to violent responses.

I don't care what you say, the good guys are never going to chop infants heads off and gang rape the women and children. If they partaking in that, they lose their right to sympathy and can no longer claim they're just uprising.

Like I said, if Israel were nuked tomorrow you wouldn't shed a single tear.

You're a liar and a hypocrite. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14897381]Okay, and by that same token, brutal terrorist attacks also lead to violent responses.

I don't care what you say, the good guys are never going to chop infants heads off and gang rape the women and children. If they partaking in that, they lose their right to sympathy and can no longer claim they're just uprising.

Like I said, if Israel were nuked tomorrow you wouldn't shed a single tear.

You're a liar and a hypocrite. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say Hamas were good guys I said Israel is responsible for them existing and being in power. Thinking they are bigger villains in terms of scale than Israel is weirdo behavior.

Also Hamas=/=Palestine, why do Palestinians deserve to be STARVED because of Hamas? Answer that.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14897383]I didn’t say Hamas were good guys I said Israel is responsible for them existing and being in power. Thinking they are bigger villains in terms of scale than Israel is weirdo behavior.[/QUOTE]

You hand waved the most deliberate, vicious, disgusting and evil act of terrorism we've probably seen in our lifetime. Under no circumstance would any rational person try and justify it.

But hey, if you want to play that game then we definitely can. "Hey it's wrong to bomb innocent civilians in Palestine... BUT they are harboring an evil terrorist group responsible for the vicious slaughter of innocent Israelis and still have hostages."

You aren't operating on any sense of principle whatsoever, otherwise you would have more strongly condemned the 10/7 attacks. And if you cared so much about innocent civilians in Palestine, you would be advocating for Hamas to surrender.

BUT... you're a liar and a loser with zero self awareness so that's probably not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Baller234;14897384]You hand waved the most deliberate, vicious, disgusting and evil act of terrorism we've probably seen in our lifetime. Under no circumstance would any rational person try and justify it.

But hey, if you want to play that game then we definitely can. "Hey it's wrong to bomb innocent civilians in Palestine... BUT they are harboring an evil terrorist group responsible for the vicious slaughter of innocent Israelis and still have hostages."

You aren't operating on any sense of principle whatsoever, otherwise you would have more strongly condemned the 10/7 attacks. And if you cared so much about innocent civilians in Palestine, you would be advocating for Hamas to surrender.

BUT... you're a liar and a loser with zero self awareness so that's probably not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t handwaving the attack, I was explaining context to people framing the state of Israel as the good guys. It’s obviously bad innocent civilians got killed, but this has happened to Palestinians for DECADES with very little support or care worldwide. Israel REGULARLY slaughtered Palestinian children before the Hamas attack . Why don’t you care about that?

Palestine is “harboring Hamas”? Hamas in many ways serves as their government (thanks to Israel, I’ve linked you an intercept article about this before) and they live in fear of them. That’s like asking why don’t me and my anarchist friends overthrow Biden :facepalm Expecting everyday people to overthrow their government when they’re probably more worried about getting bombed by Israel is crazy. You seem to uncritically believe whatever Israel reports, bizarre behavior from a supposed free thinker. If you don’t think it’s in Israel’s interest to exaggerate stuff to justify their crimes you’re not thinking clearly. Hamas surrendering would achieve nothing as Israel would continue to oppress Palestine and a new similar group would form and be brought to power by Israel psyops.

How come you can’t answer this: what’s the justification for starving millions of Palestinians?

i for one don't support the collective punishment of upwards of 2 million civilians through starvation, disease, famine and reckless bombing in order to achieve a goal that was never realistic in the first place.

you can kill [U]people[/U] for a long time but killing an [U]idea[/U] - an idea that you're only breeding more of in this campaign of mass killing is not going to work in the interests of israel's long term security.

in order to "kill hamas" you need to offer an alternative that makes their existence meaningless. what that alternative is, i don't know as it's clear that we're dealing with two irreconcilable sides with a long history of blood in the sand in that region as well as not many, if any, willing to come to the table to discuss a reasonable form of peace. it's clear that there needs to be a trustworthy mediator to conduct a peace process but as of now there isn't one. if anything, it should be us, but unfortunately israel has more influence over our foreign policy than anybody in washington. frankly, they own us.

so if you think that this makes israel safer (and the united states safer, which it does not) or if you think israel and jews in general (which is btw unfair to jews because this extremist israeli administration is not an accurate representation of what jews want) then i have a bridge in baltimore to sell you.