Does anyone respect Embiid?

Yeah he is talented, but he is James Harden all over again - the center version.

This dude is such a phony in the playoffs, it's crazy. Injuries, flops, mental chokes, etc. Dude's drop off from the regular season is ridiculous.

He should've been ejected in the game last night. The fact that he scored 50 points, but actually embarrassed himself in the process, its wild. Turned what is supposed to be a legendary moment into a clown show.

By the way, Embiid has actually made more free throws in his playoff career than actual shots from the floor. Flop/free throw merchant.

jealous he isn't on your team again....

Joel is a great player..

He is playing with an injury, and was also told that a eye injury has blurred his vision.
(50 points is remarkable)

Yes he is a huge bitch. I would think coming from poor area in Africa he'd be tough and stoic. Like Hakeem. Or Dikembe. But he's just a massive bitch for whatever reason.

Him and Luka are the two guys I enjoy watching lose.

[QUOTE=Carbine;14903467]Him and Luka are the two guys I enjoy watching lose.[/QUOTE]

Luka cries a lot but it's out of being overly competitive, the complete oppositive of Embiid. Luka is a much better playoff performer.

Soft AF. Cries like a bitch. Tries to game the referees to get 20+ freethrows a game.

OP absolutely right. He is the centre version of James Harden.

Nobody likes him. Shouldn't have even won the MVP last year.

He's a disgrace to the sport, can't stand him and his antics, doesn't help that he also plays for the one team I hate outside of Boston

I can both acknowledge his incredible skill and respect the work ethic it takes to acquire it(especially after picking up the game late) and say he’s an unrepentant and contemptible ho of a basketball player. Both can be true and they very much are.

Hes as skilled and talented a ho as the game could realistically produce. I don’t think it’s likely anyone could be both so lame and so good….on a higher level. One could argue prime Harden but I’d say Embiid is better due to defense even if Harden was as much of a ho or more so.

being a hoe almost caps your total ability. But it’s a soft cap not a hard cap. He’s definitely in the luxury tax though. He’s better than a hoe ass player should be able to be, but I don’t know if it’s sustainable.

Nah, I can’t fvck with a player who tries to injure opponents on purpose. Especially coming off of a toddler tantrum caused by two botched flop attempts, you’d think a guy who’s injury prone himself would be more understanding. He’s a great talent, but I’d rather my team miss the playoffs than have this guy.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14903500]I can both acknowledge his incredible skill and respect the work ethic it takes to acquire it(especially after picking up the game late) and say he’s an unrepentant and contemptible ho of a basketball player. Both can be true and they very much are.

Hes as skilled and talented a ho as the game could realistically produce. I don’t think it’s likely anyone could be both so lame and so good….on a higher level. One could argue prime Harden but I’d say Embiid is better due to defense even if Harden was as much of a ho or more so.

being a hoe almost caps your total ability. But it’s a soft cap not a hard cap. He’s definitely in the luxury tax though. He’s better than a hoe ass player should be able to be, but I don’t know if it’s sustainable.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

He's out there tricking and pimping with the refs.

Dude just dropped 50 with Bell's palsy.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14903503]Nah, I can’t fvck with a player who tries to injure opponents on purpose. Especially coming off of a toddler tantrum caused by two botched flop attempts, you’d think a guy who’s injury prone himself would be more understanding. He’s a great talent, but I’d rather my team miss the playoffs than have this guy.[/QUOTE]


Too much is being made of that play. Yes it was dangerous but the intent wasnt dirty. Embiid was on the ground helpless to defend and trying to find some way to “wrap up” Robinson to prevent a basket. It was just an instinctive attempt to grab the only thing he could to stop a score. He wasnt trying to be slick or do something compromising in that instance. He was scrambling to make a spontaneous play and not thinking about how dangerous it could be. He was just trying to show some kind of resistance besides just sitting on the ground while a guy scores.

In hindsight it was dangerous but in the moment it wasnt malicious.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14903517]Too much is being made of that play. Yes it was dangerous but the intent wasnt dirty. Embiid was on the ground helpless to defend and trying to find some way to “wrap up” Robinson to prevent a basket. It was just an instinctive attempt to grab the only thing he could to stop a score. He wasnt trying to be slick or do something compromising in that instance. He was scrambling to make a spontaneous play and not thinking about how dangerous it could be. He was just trying to show some kind of resistance besides just sitting on the ground while a guy scores.

In hindsight it was dangerous but in the moment it wasnt malicious.[/QUOTE]

Embiid was pissed for not getting a call, then him falling angered him even more. I think it was malicious heat of the moment type of thing.

He’s not just the center version of Harden. He’s also maliciously dirty. This is not the first time he’s deliberately tried to injure someone:

[url]https://youtu.be/FeVps9hdrFM?si=5ZIdtr-xHTpLr9qP[/url]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14903517]Too much is being made of that play. Yes it was dangerous but the intent wasnt dirty. Embiid was on the ground helpless to defend and trying to find some way to “wrap up” Robinson to prevent a basket. It was just an instinctive attempt to grab the only thing he could to stop a score. He wasnt trying to be slick or do something compromising in that instance. He was scrambling to make a spontaneous play and not thinking about how dangerous it could be. He was just trying to show some kind of resistance besides just sitting on the ground while a guy scores.

In hindsight it was dangerous but in the moment it wasnt malicious.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with you but IIRC Embiid had some torque/twist/unusual motion applied to Robinson legs, it wasn’t the normal simple wrap up hand motion. There was more to it. Gonna watch it again in slo mo and full speed.

Really over this last week have lost my ability to speak positively of Embiid.

I’m gonna forever refer to him from now on as :

[B][SIZE=7]Joel Embellish [/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14903521]He’s not just the center version of Harden. He’s also maliciously dirty. This is not the first time he’s deliberately tried to injure someone:

[url]https://youtu.be/FeVps9hdrFM?si=5ZIdtr-xHTpLr9qP[/url][/QUOTE]

Dirty af

Imagine if it was the other way around. You wouldn't stop hearing him cry about it.

Because he is such a fragile player

Dude should've never gotten the chance to get 50. Should've gotten a flagrant 2 after that bush league play to Mitchell Robinson.

What hes doing out there, under the pressure hes under, with Bells Palsy or whatever eye sight issues hes having, massive respect to him.

[video=youtube_share;a3_PPdjD6mg]https://youtu.be/a3_PPdjD6mg?si=gZaTJMjl6007yYzN[/video]

He's had to play through so many injuries. Harden was mostly healthy when he underperformed. Bro just dropped 50 with half his face paralyzed. He's one of the most talented Centers ever. Harden was no mid-range threat like Joel is. He's a 7-footer who shoots over 50% on long 2s and at a high volume. Gotta respect it.

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14903521]He’s not just the center version of Harden. He’s also maliciously dirty. This is not the first time he’s deliberately tried to injure someone:

[url]https://youtu.be/FeVps9hdrFM?si=5ZIdtr-xHTpLr9qP[/url][/QUOTE]

[video=youtube_share;Yy8T53X_fx0]https://youtu.be/Yy8T53X_fx0?si=hX6TNeb--2XdlRD3[/video]

[QUOTE=fourkicks44;14903574][video=youtube_share;Yy8T53X_fx0]https://youtu.be/Yy8T53X_fx0?si=hX6TNeb--2XdlRD3[/video][/QUOTE]
:oldlol:

You posting that like Embiid’s situation is somehow comparable is hilarious.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14903575]:oldlol:

You posting that like Embiid’s situation is somehow comparable is hilarious.[/QUOTE]

Yea wtf.

Embiids should have been a flagrant 2 easily. That’s literally the easiest way to truly injure a big man and it was so blatant and uncalled for.

Grabbing someone’s leg while they’re jumping? The fvck

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14903537]What hes doing out there, under the pressure hes under, with [B]Bells Palsy[/B] or whatever eye sight issues hes having, massive respect to him.[/QUOTE]

Vaxx claims another.

I support him for struggling as a vaxx victim.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14903577]Yea wtf.

Embiids should have been a flagrant 2 easily. That’s literally the easiest way to truly injure a big man and it was so blatant and uncalled for.

Grabbing someone’s leg while they’re jumping? The fvck[/QUOTE]Completely different situation too. Morris tried to take out Jokic’s knee while Embiid was just throwing a toddler tantrum his back to back flops weren’t called. Anyone who thinks these situations are similar is delusional.

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14903575]:oldlol:

You posting that like Embiid’s situation is somehow comparable is hilarious.[/QUOTE]

Was it deliberate by Jokic?

Was Morris injured?

Did you read the post I was responding too?

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14903521]He’s not just the center version of Harden. He’s also maliciously dirty. This is not the first time he’s [B]deliberately tried to injure someone:[/B]

[url]https://youtu.be/FeVps9hdrFM?si=5ZIdtr-xHTpLr9qP[/url][/QUOTE]

It seems like your reading comprehension is what is hilarious.

[QUOTE=fourkicks44;14903581]Was it deliberate by Jokic?

Was Morris injured?

Did you read the post I was responding too?



It seems like your reading comprehension is what is hilarious.[/QUOTE]Exactly. So even you see why this comparison is bad right? You realized it's bad and now you're scrambling to ignore all context so it can seem more like a side to side comparison.

"Hey I only responded to how the actions were deliberate, any additional context is not allowed and just proves you can't read".

:applause:

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;14903517]Too much is being made of that play. Yes it was dangerous but the intent wasnt dirty. Embiid was on the ground helpless to defend and trying to find some way to “wrap up” Robinson to prevent a basket. It was just an instinctive attempt to grab the only thing he could to stop a score. He wasnt trying to be slick or do something compromising in that instance. He was scrambling to make a spontaneous play and not thinking about how dangerous it could be. He was just trying to show some kind of resistance besides just sitting on the ground while a guy scores.

In hindsight it was dangerous but in the moment it wasnt malicious.[/QUOTE]That's fair if he showed any type of remorse instead of just making more excuses

[QUOTE]"Mitchell Robinson jumping and trying to land, (I'm) trying to make sure he doesn't land on me because, obviously, we know the history that I have with (Jonathan) Kuminga landing on my knee," Embiid said in Bontemps' report. "So I kind of had some flashbacks, when he came down to it. It was unfortunate. I didn't mean to hurt anybody."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"In those situations, I've got to protect myself, because I've been in way too many situations where I'm always the recipient of the bad end of it. So yeah, it was unfortunate, but physical game."[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/joel-embiid-defends-flagrant-found-new-york-knicks-mitchell-robinson[/url]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14903593]Exactly. So even you see why this comparison is bad right? You realized it's bad and now you're scrambling to ignore all context so it can seem more like a side to side comparison.

"Hey I only responded to how the actions were deliberate, any additional context is not allowed and just proves you can't read".

:applause:[/QUOTE]

Duffy is a known Jokic nut hugger. That's the only context I intended in my the reply. Just highlighting another cracka contradiction.

I don't care about whatever other "context" you are crying about, that's for damn sure.

I LOVE the fact you hate Joel, keep it up:applause:

[QUOTE=fourkicks44;14903607]Duffy is a known Jokic nut hugger. That's the only context I intended in my the reply. Just highlighting another cracka contradiction.

[B]I don't care about whatever other "context"[/B] you are crying about, that's for damn sure.

I LOVE the fact you hate Joel, keep it up:applause:[/QUOTE]Oh, I know that now. No context that goes against your agenda anyway.

And don't put 'context' in quotations like I said something asinine. Here I'll quote my post here:

[QUOTE]Completely different situation too. Morris tried to take out Jokic’s knee while Embiid was just throwing a toddler tantrum his back to back flops weren’t called. Anyone who thinks these situations are similar is delusional.[/QUOTE]

That's very relevant.

[QUOTE=fourkicks44;14903607]Duffy is a known Jokic nut hugger. That's the only context I intended in my the reply. Just highlighting another cracka contradiction.

I don't care about whatever other "context" you are crying about, that's for damn sure.

I LOVE the fact you hate Joel, keep it up:applause:[/QUOTE]

I’ve never defended what Joker did there. As I recall, he got suspended for that right. And it was retaliation for a clearly dirty play by Morris.

Embiid is different. Yesterday, he kneed two guys in the nuts. He dove into a guys knee, injuring him. And he did the dirty play where he took down Robinson while he was in the air, by grabbing and undercutting his legs. I don’t see a legitimate comparison.

Embiid is a dirty player. Four dirty plays in one half is a bit over the top. Imagine it was Draymond.

On top of that, I fail to see why my liking for Joker has any relevance to whether Embiid is entitled to respect.

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14903618]I’ve never defended what Joker did there. As I recall, he got suspended for that right. And it was retaliation for a clearly dirty play by Morris.

Embiid is different. Yesterday, he kneed two guys in the nuts. He dove into a guys knee, injuring him. And he did the dirty play where he took down Robinson while he was in the air, by grabbing and undercutting his legs. I don’t see a legitimate comparison.

Embiid is a dirty player. Four dirty plays in one half is a bit over the top. Imagine it was Draymond.

[B]On top of that, I fail to see why my liking for Joker has any relevance to whether Embiid is entitled to respect.[/B][/QUOTE]

...and yet here you are again, coincidently, in this thread :oldlol:

One of the most unlikeable superstars there’s ever been. I can’t stand him.

Grayson Allen>>>Embiid

[QUOTE=fourkicks44;14903624]...and yet here you are again, coincidently, in this thread :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

It’s no coincidence. You brought him up, not me.

Let me try to explain with a different example. Here’s a famous clip of Robert Parish punching Bill Laimbeer.

[url]https://youtu.be/_ow29Ea9hCQ?si=KHR3NgyU2xO98vFv[/url]

Do I approve or defend what Parish did here? Not at all. It was an overreaction in retaliation. Do I lose all respect for Parish because he punched Laimbeer? Again, no. I watched him for years and he’s not at all a dirty player. He lost his temper here and blew up at Laimbeer, who deserved it.

Now, let’s look at what Embiid did last night.

1) Completely away from the play, on an ordinary transition, he barreled into Harttenstein, kneed him in the nuts, threw hir right arm over his back and elbowed him in the rib/kidney area. This, of course, was initially called a foul on Harttenstein. It got reversed to a charge, but it was totally unnecessary, not a basketball play, and excessive. It was aimed at injuring. Should have been at least a flagrant one.

2) Less than a minute later, he flops and then grabs Robinson while he’s in the air, by the legs, taking him to the ground. Again, not a basketball play, excessive, and should have been a flagrant two. Again, he was trying to injure his primary defender.

3) Second quarter, on a tricky tack foul called on Robinson, he flop dives directly into Robinson’s bad ankle. This time he succeeds in injuring him, but the foul was on Robinson. This is not the first time he has dived into a player to injure him. Check the YouTube video I posted earlier in this thread. (This one might have been accidental, but I’m highly suspicious.

4). Embiid has the ball on the left block for the second time in a row. De Vincenzo comes over to help. Embiid takes the jump shot. With an unnatural follow through, he whacks Robinson in the face with his right hand. At the same time, he knees Robinson in the nuts with a kick out. This time he succeeds, and Robinson shortly goes out for the rest of the game.

That’s three, probably four, dirty plays within less than a half. They were all intended to injure his primary defender at the time. This is a worse stretch of dirty playing than anything I’ve ever seen Draymond do. It’s in the same league as Bruce Bowen or Bill Laimbeer, who are two guys who deliberately and regularly tried to hurt people. So yeah, no respect for Embiid. I don’t care how many points he can score - he’s a bum.

And for what it’s worth, I had genuinely been hoping for a Sixer Nuggets finals earlier in the year, but I don’t watch the Sixers that much.

Remember when LeBron gave him a taste of his own medicine?

[video=youtube;Qd7Rn5U4VzY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd7Rn5U4VzY[/video]

"ShOuLd HaVe BeEn a FlAgRaNt 2!!!!!!!1!!!!!" :yaohappy:

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;14903618]I’ve never defended what Joker did there. As I recall, he got suspended for that right. And it was retaliation for a clearly dirty play by Morris.

Embiid is different. Yesterday, he kneed two guys in the nuts. He dove into a guys knee, injuring him. And he did the dirty play where he took down Robinson while he was in the air, by grabbing and undercutting his legs. I don’t see a legitimate comparison.

Embiid is a dirty player. Four dirty plays in one half is a bit over the top. Imagine it was Draymond.

On top of that, I fail to see why my liking for Joker has any relevance to whether Embiid is entitled to respect.[/QUOTE]

Draymond: 21 flagrants in 970 total games played (15 flagrants in 813 regular season games played and 6 flagrants in 157 playoff games played)

Embiid: 23 flagrants in 489 games played (16 flagrants in 433 regular season games and 7 flagrants in 56 playoff games)

Respecting him is hard. I like watching him when his game is on. Him not being mentally tough enough is a problem. Some of the time I have a feeling he thinks he *deserves* to win but doesn't actually play to be deserving. As if it should just happen somehow, because the world should know better. Another thing I find disturbing is him being a frontrunner and celebrating a very good game as if he has won the Olympics or the deciding game in the Finals. And it's a game in November. The job is not done until it's done and Embiid considers the job done way too soon. If he was a boxer he would be surprised his opponent is still there in the 8th round. In his mind he should be alone in the ring by then. I still want to see him go to the Finals because basketball needs an Embiid-Jokic showdown. Their totally different approach is something I'd like to see in a best of 7.

That shit he pulled, to a player who is easily injured is a bitch move. Not to mention all the other shit he did [I] in the same game. [/I] Kblaze's post is right on

Nope, really dirty player and mental midget crying loser