Do you think the Creation of Major Platforms/Services is organic or constructed?

As in, do you think they allow a level playing field where anyone (funding aside) has the same chance of putting out said product and simply the most appealing/popular one will succeed?

Which would mean any random person could achieve / have achieved becoming the market leader in these areas?

Or do they pick the project of a "suitable" CEO? Think Facebook, Amazon, Netflix...

Because it seems an awful lot of the time the founders of these platforms "happen" to lean the same way and engineer the same agenda.

Or are they simply "won over" later via deals and collaborations?

Of course organic.

Guys like Jobs, Bezos, Gates, Musk are wildly intelligent and ruthless people who had the right ideas at the right time.


Why big businesses lean left publicly is to appease the loud, outspoken minorities like gays and blacks.

Politics have nothing to do with whether a company becomes successful or not.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14948803]Of course organic.

Guys like Jobs, Bezos, Gates, Musk are wildly intelligent and ruthless people who had the right ideas at the right time.


Why big businesses lean left publicly is to appease the loud, outspoken minorities like gays and blacks.

Politics have nothing to do with whether a company becomes successful or not.[/QUOTE]

These are the major ones so Id tend to agree.

But it seems odd that other big and necessary platforms/apps that do have competition/alternatives and werent exactly ground breaking, seem to always be very, very left. like paypal for exampe.

They seem to just be arms of the state.

i don't think you understand how difficult it is to become a market leader. it's not manufactured. even with a big VC like softbank backing you, it doesn't mean success, it's absolutely organic. and it's not about being groundbreaking...it's about being first to market (with good resources). market share is everything as well, look how long it took uber to turn a profit...and how many billions of dollars they lost in the process. political leaning is coincidental, but sure, it does aid a company to be "woke".

Im not saying the creation of the company itself is engineered/set up, but it almost seems like once theres several contenders/options, as if they just vet the founders and take the most left/easy to guide one and fund that one and it becomes market leader and sets itself apart..

cause its all just so overwhelmingly left.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948820]Im not saying the creation of the company itself is engineered/set up, but it almost seems like once theres several contenders/options, as if they just vet the founders and take the most left/easy to guide one and fund that one and it becomes market leader and sets itself apart..

cause its all just so overwhelmingly left.[/QUOTE]

well investors acknowledge that left leaning founders/principals are bound to be more popular in general. that just reflects that the general populace tolerates left wingers more than right wingers. if you're investing billions as a venture capitalist firm, you're probably going to go with the guy that is most likely to be popular. if it were the other way, they would do the same. remember founders have to be like a rockstar. if they do something that is not palatable, the company's valuation can fall quickly (elon musk).

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948810] seem to always be very, very left. like paypal for exampe.

They seem to just be arms of the state.[/QUOTE]

Left like Peter Thiel? And no, the state is an arm of them.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14948803]Of course organic.

Guys like Jobs, Bezos, Gates, Musk are wildly intelligent and ruthless people who had the right ideas at the right time.


Why big businesses lean left publicly is to appease the loud, outspoken minorities like gays and blacks.

Politics have nothing to do with whether a company becomes successful or not.[/QUOTE]

They're not left. They're neo liberal. They're in it for the dollar and just for that. They want an open market and that means not excluding any possible costumer of their services. This just appears left, but in reality it's "conservatives buy shoes too" in fancier words.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14948848]Left like Peter Thiel? And no, the state is an arm of them.

Well, depends on what we mean by state.

But someone is doing someones bidding and the platforms always follow the political rhetoric, not vice versa.




They're not left. They're neo liberal. They're in it for the dollar and just for that. They want an open market and that means not excluding any possible costumer of their services. This just appears left, but in reality it's "conservatives buy shoes too" in fancier words.[/QUOTE]


Youre probably not familiar with it since you say left leaning things, but Instagram/YouTube/Facebook are all HEAVIY censored.

You legit have plain opinions regarding Blm/Covid/etc. DELETED.

YouTube Channels regarding conspiracies, zionism, CIA, etc. are DELETED. Anything overtly right wing is deleted or demonetized, even channels such as Russell Brand, simply because they deem it hate speech.


Its insanity and absolutely modern leftism.

Heck even PayPal banned several peope / corporations from its platform that were standing up for free speech values or were against COVID measures.
[url]https://www.rokfin.com/post/100295/The-Truth-About-PayPal[/url]
"PayPal has come a long way from Peter Thiel", first sentence.



Mastercard was requested to do something like his and rejected it:


[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/38e97c1701afee0e61bf1686a632fef7.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948897]Youre probably not familiar with it since you say left leaning things, but Instagram/YouTube/Facebook are all HEAVIY censored.

You legit have plain opinions regarding Blm/Covid/etc. DELETED.

YouTube Channels regarding conspiracies, zionism, CIA, etc. are DELETED. Anything overtly right wing is deleted or demonetized, even channels such as Russell Brand, simply because they deem it hate speech.


Its insanity and absolutely modern leftism.

Heck even PayPal banned several peope / corporations from its platform that were standing up for free speech values or were against COVID measures.
[url]https://www.rokfin.com/post/100295/The-Truth-About-PayPal[/url]
"PayPal has come a long way from Peter Thiel", first sentence.



Mastercard was requested to do something like his and rejected it:


[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/38e97c1701afee0e61bf1686a632fef7.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Here's you're problem: Just because some form of modern day rightwing narrative is censored(tbh it isn't really as much as the perpetual rw wing victims act like - how else does the alt right's propaganda machinery work? They're huge winners of SM) doesn't make the corps doing it leftwing.

There's your and other right wingers fallacy. Big tech corps are opportunistic neo liberals; they have no social ideology behind them.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14948899]they have no social ideology behind them.[/QUOTE]

You’re nuts for that. It might be hard to define, but the new age is trafficking information, of course they are also trying to push narratives. You could scale it back and say they will get behind whatever is most profitable, but that’s just untrue. All history people have wanted to control info and now they actually can, not just by suppression. And they are like hey let’s just make money? Even if it were true, people with money would be investing haha.

@arby stuff like fb was organic to a point. They probably got help to get where they were, but most things are old enough to be organic. Since the groundwork is laid, they probably can manufacture stuff now, but fb and net stuff was just great tech. Like ai will likely be manufactured to some degree.

-Smak

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14948848]Left like Peter Thiel? And no, the state is an arm of them.



They're not left. They're neo liberal. They're in it for the dollar and just for that. They want an open market and that means not excluding any possible costumer of their services. This just appears left, but in reality it's "conservatives buy shoes too" in fancier words.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. It's just business strategy. Most CEOs are Republicans anyways, but most large companies have the appearance of being left-leaning. It's all smoke and mirrors.

At the end of the day, we the consumer decide what businesses become successful. The vast majority of people on this planet do not make purchasing decisions based on their political ideology. Products and services become successful if they are useful to the masses and the marketing reaches them. That's about it.

Organic. It takes a requisite amount of intelligence and charisma and luck to get there. Bezos, Musk, zuck, Gates, Jobs are all ivy league. The guy who founded scale ai graduated from MIT when he was like 19 and is worth over 3 billion at 28, morrison the Tsmc guy basically created the greatest chip company in the world in a country with zero tech market at the time, I think he went to Standford. It isn’t a coincidence, and I always laugh when people say you don’t learn anything in college anyway like it isn’t important… no, but being able to get in is the minimum intelligence if you ever want the hope to be one of these guys.

Then you need charisma to bring in investors. Bezos was originally a physics major and realized he was never going to be special in the field because high iq people are too prevalent, he knew he was smart but not 1% of the 1% levels. He leveraged his other skills like salesmanship and his gift to read people. A lot of people don’t know, most idiots think his ex wife is some goldigger bimbo but she’s a decorated author from an ivy league school who Bezos credits with brokering the first few multimillion dollar deals for amazon. He knows how to surround himself with the right people, as does Musk etc.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948820]Im not saying the creation of the company itself is engineered/set up, but it almost seems like once theres several contenders/options, as if they just vet the founders and take the most left/easy to guide one and fund that one and it becomes market leader and sets itself apart..

cause its all just so overwhelmingly left.[/QUOTE]

The reason everything leans left is because businesses are run by white collar college grads and not blue collar rural types.

It used to be the country was run by "old money" white men who were simply born into the role. All the tops at a company were white men who were mostly right leaning.

Today? Businesses are much more reliant on tech knowledgeable people, and the college grads today are urban left leaning individuals of all races and genders. This is almost every major business. I mean Amazon and Google couldn't exist if they were run by rural white dudes. So yeah, everything is left leaning now.

And with the rights push to stay away from college? It will only get worse.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14948899]Here's you're problem: Just because some form of modern day rightwing narrative is censored(tbh it isn't really as much as the perpetual rw wing victims act like - how else does the alt right's propaganda machinery work? They're huge winners of SM) doesn't make the corps doing it leftwing.

There's your and other right wingers fallacy. Big tech corps are opportunistic neo liberals; they have no social ideology behind them.[/QUOTE]

Here‘s your problem: grammar. Its „your“.

Anyway, why are you declaring these things like you have any idea wjat you‘re talking about?


Its not „certain right wing politics“, its going against the machine on any set narrative, such as disagreeing with a vaccine.

These mediums have become completely weaponized by lw politics.


Its not the other way around.


Its mass censorship. There‘s no pretty wording around it.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;14948942]The reason everything leans left is because businesses are run by white collar college grads and not blue collar rural types.

It used to be the country was run by "old money" white men who were simply born into the role. All the tops at a company were white men who were mostly right leaning.

Today? Businesses are much more reliant on tech knowledgeable people, and the college grads today are urban left leaning individuals of all races and genders. This is almost every major business. I mean Amazon and Google couldn't exist if they were run by rural white dudes. So yeah, everything is left leaning now.

And with the rights push to stay away from college? It will only get worse.[/QUOTE]


Good point but Google and Amazon couldnt exist if they were run by „rural“ white dudes? Haha how so? Bezos seems as normally white as anyone. Thats one instance of someone that doesnt seem to be all that liberal.

The reason those apps would birth libs is because the colleges are full of liberal propaganda.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948960]Good point but Google and Amazon couldnt exist if they were run by „rural“ white dudes? Haha how so? Bezos seems as normally white as anyone. Thats one instance of someone that doesnt seem to be all that liberal.

The reason those apps would birth libs is because the colleges are full of liberal propaganda.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about upper management, the people that actually put it all together and make it run. Amazon and Google have to hire tech savvy individuals, and those would come from schools like MIT, Stanford, etc. And they would be mostly left leaning urban types.

In the past, a wealthy CEO could just hire his buddy or his nephew to manage a company. But today's companies can not do that any more. Business is much more complex now and people have to actually know a thing or two.


Left leaning individuals are mostly white collar urban college types, and right leaning individuals are mostly blue collar rural types, which don't fit well in modern tech based times.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948959]Here‘s your problem: grammar. Its „your“.

Anyway, why are you declaring these things like you have any idea wjat you‘re talking about?


Its not „certain right wing politics“, its going against the machine on any set narrative, such as disagreeing with a vaccine.

These mediums have become completely weaponized by lw politics.


Its not the other way around.


Its mass censorship. There‘s no pretty wording around it.[/QUOTE]

If you correct someone on grammar atleast use it's and its correctly.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14949027]If you correct someone on grammar atleast use it's and its correctly.[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant and also that button doesnt work on my laptop anymore lol

L'il Arby is too dim to get that Overdrive is telling him that corporations can't be left wing. Pretty basic stuff for anyone who's done the least bit of research on political history.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;14949027]If you correct someone on grammar [b]atleast[/b] use it's and its correctly.[/QUOTE]
at least

It's organic at first, but then becomes completely corrupted as everybody starts buying each other off and colluding as the ladder gets climbed.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14948960]Good point but Google and Amazon couldnt exist if they were run by „rural“ white dudes? Haha how so? Bezos seems as normally white as anyone. Thats one instance of someone that doesnt seem to be all that liberal.

The reason those apps would birth libs is because the colleges are full of liberal propaganda.[/QUOTE]

Google and amazon would have happened regardless. They were not as much pioneers as what rose to the top.

There was bound to be a monopoly marketplace and search engine.

Social media is different because even though it fills a need, they did some pretty creative stuff. Pictures, vids… i didn’t think people would actually do twitter.

-Smak

Hella not organic ever.

If federal reserve notes funded it?

NOT ORGANIC.

You really have idiots on here who believe these social media platforms which are built on completely fictitious capital and fake paper fiat money are organic?

You can’t make this shit up.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14949109]You really have idiots on here who believe these social media platforms which are built on completely fictitious capital and fake paper fiat money are organic?

You can’t make this shit up.[/QUOTE]

you think we live in a real world? we live in a simulation :yaohappy:

It can only be organic because no one can force the public to spend all of their money anywhere. Amazon, Microsoft, and everyone else gets our money because of their products and service.

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. No one can force all of society to frequent these platforms.



And let's say Twitter isn't organic. So what happened there? There was a hidden secret agenda to create a left leaning platform and then they just said to hell with it and sold it off to Musk? Makes no sense. The entire ordeal is clearly organic. Musk didn't even want his offer to go through after second thought.

I worry about DOJ's intention of breaking up Google. IMO, USA MUST win the AI war (militarily and economically) - bigger companies (with deeper pockets) have the resources to invest in Research & Development (like Bell Labs back in the day). The irony is that yes, Google Search is basically a monopoly but the approaching AI from OpenAI/ChatGPT will severely bite into what people use - the latter might be just a tad bit too late to affect Google's (current) search monopoly.

The left seems to want to bring down BIG companies. The right is more concerned about censorship/bias.

This was all gleaned from watching All In podcast.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14949147]It can only be organic because no one can force the public to spend all of their money anywhere. Amazon, Microsoft, and everyone else gets our money because of their products and service.

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. No one can force all of society to frequent these platforms.



And let's say Twitter isn't organic. So what happened there? There was a hidden secret agenda to create a left leaning platform and then they just said to hell with it and sold it off to Musk? Makes no sense. The entire ordeal is clearly organic. Musk didn't even want his offer to go through [B]after second thought[/B].[/QUOTE]

IMO, not because of changing mind about original intent/purpose but because the entire market tanked and he was locked into the OLD value of Twitter.

[QUOTE=Off the Court;14949147]It can only be organic because no one can force the public to spend all of their money anywhere. Amazon, Microsoft, and everyone else gets our money because of their products and service.

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. No one can force all of society to frequent these platforms.



And let's say Twitter isn't organic. So what happened there? There was a hidden secret agenda to create a left leaning platform and then they just said to hell with it and sold it off to Musk? Makes no sense. The entire ordeal is clearly organic. Musk didn't even want his offer to go through after second thought.[/QUOTE]


When things become a monopoly and the top companies buy up all the competition it loses its organic value and sets the table for tons of market inefficiencies. If there's no competition people don't have much of a choice in their consumption.

[QUOTE=tpols;14949152]When things become a monopoly and the top companies buy up all the competition it loses its organic value and sets the table for tons of market inefficiencies. If there's no competition people don't have much of a choice in their consumption.[/QUOTE]

Well that is just a semantics debate over what "organic" means. One could say a monopoly is an organic result. We don't really have any true monopolies in the US though. There are lots of places to purchases things online, and lots of different social media apps.

And the way that monopolies harm society is that they can charge high prices since they are the only option. But Amazon has captured the population specifically because it has the lowest prices out there. It is the exact thing that capitalism aims to do organically through supply and demand.

Federal Reserve Notes are not organic.

That’s like GMO currency.

Anything built by gmo currency is by definition inorganic.

Using money magic to create things out of thin air is not an organic process. It’s alchemy.

You idiots wanna act like your government is organic .



Lmao!!!

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;14949201]You idiots wanna act like your government is organic .



Lmao!!![/QUOTE]

LMAO, this universe isn't organic. it's running on an Intel I9-14900K and an Nvidia 4090.

[QUOTE=highwhey;14949207]LMAO, this universe isn't organic. it's running on an Intel I9-14900K and an Nvidia 4090.[/QUOTE]

Homie you know everything is fake but your ego won’t let you accept it.

Phoenix is one of the fakest most inorganic cities there is. It’s all based on fake white boy capital.

The business you run is funded by federal reserve notes. Actually look up the legal definition of what that means.