If Netanyahu doesn't listen to Trump, what options do you think that leaves Trump. I could see Trump forcing Netanyahu to step aside and work with the opposition to end the war.
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If Netanyahu doesn't listen to Trump, what options do you think that leaves Trump. I could see Trump forcing Netanyahu to step aside and work with the opposition to end the war.
[I]Hamas Calls for 'Immediate' End to War After Trump Election Win
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[url]https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-calls-immediate-end-war-after-trump-election-win-1981571[/url]
Ive lost faith in Trump as far as that goes.
He was still by far the better candidate, but he isnt the principled man I considered him.
He too is in the Zionist pockets.
Hes well beholden to Israel and will do their bidding like many others.
Maybe he has more heart than them and will speed up the process of whatever Israel is going for, but he will let them play it out. Im certain.
Him playing a strong hand here and being the man and seeing whats right and wrong, I dont think happens anymore.
Just the fact he bought in to the Iran assassination theory planted by Israel and said "Iran tried to assassinate me! Any normal president should blow them to smitherens" showed me the guy is either clueless or acting along.
He appoints just as many jewish members, his daughters are all married to jews, and his father was jewish.
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Trump and Netanyahu have known each other for a long time btw.
Netanyahu became friends with that^ Fred Trump, Donalds father, in the 1980s.
No. The US act like a loyal dog to israel.
trump supporters are always touting about how he's anti-war. now we'll finally get to see whether or not that's really true. with the millions that he's taken from the israel lobby i doubt he'll put his foot down against bibi and the cabal of jewish power in washington.
i don't know what israel is uo to anymore anyway. hamas leaders are dead as is hezbollah. at this point it's nothing but a blatant land grab.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14955319]trump supporters are always touting about how he's anti-war. now we'll finally get to see whether or not that's really true. with the millions that he's taken from the israel lobby i doubt he'll put his foot down against bibi and the cabal of jewish power in washington.
i don't know what israel is uo to anymore anyway. hamas leaders are dead as is hezbollah. at this point it's nothing but a blatant land grab.[/QUOTE]
agreed, i don't have much faith in trump enforcing anything. i think he'll hold a presser saying he talked to netanyahu and he's a great man doing great things and he supports america 110% and he would've voted for him if he could, and that he made him understand how important peace is.
reality is sh1t ain't going to change until israel decides it's time...america should have never allowed them to have nukes.
I don't think Trump likes Netanyahu, but if he wants to become President, then ACTING like he's the greatest, in public, is an absolute must.
A very interesting story that I heard, told by Netanyahu, he showed Trump a picture of something like decapitated babies, or some other horrifc murder, claiming it was a Hamas attack. Except Netanyahu was lying, and Trump later found out. Netanyahu said that Trump does not like being made a fool of. Kind of expressing surprised by the fact.
What's particularly interesting about this, to me, is that Netanyahu's reaction, or expectation is that it's not big deal to lie to someone about something so horrific. Do you know what I mean? Like in the open, not even hiding the fact that he's lying to him, as though manipulation is part of normal interaction, and something that no one cares about because we're all just playing a manipulation game. I can't explain it.
(When Biden said that he saw pictures of decapitated babies, I knew he wasn't actually lying, but rather was duped.)
It's very difficult to find these things, the closest is a Jimmy Dore video.
[video=youtube_share;pguE0s6r-HQ]https://youtu.be/pguE0s6r-HQ[/video]
[QUOTE=Axe;14955272]No. The US act like a loyal dog to israel.[/QUOTE]
I thought you were pro Israel
:sleeping
[QUOTE=diamenz;14955319]trump supporters are always touting about how he's anti-war. now we'll finally get to see whether or not that's really true. with the millions that he's taken from the israel lobby i doubt he'll put his foot down against bibi and the cabal of jewish power in washington.
i don't know what israel is uo to anymore anyway. hamas leaders are dead as is hezbollah. at this point it's nothing but a blatant land grab.[/QUOTE]
I dont think we can entirely say wether he is anti war or not based on this but if he were to end that war it would absolutely cement him as one of the biggest anti war presidents and presidents of peace ever.
That would be huge.
He can really leave a mark here if he puts his foot down and orders Israel/Netanyahu to stop.
I bet German media would call him antisemetic for it hahaha
[QUOTE=diamenz;14955319]trump supporters are always touting about how he's anti-war. now we'll finally get to see whether or not that's really true. with the millions that he's taken from the israel lobby i doubt he'll put his foot down against bibi and the cabal of jewish power in washington.
i don't know what israel is uo to anymore anyway. hamas leaders are dead as is hezbollah. at this point it's nothing but a blatant land grab.[/QUOTE]
What wars did he actively start or oversee during his first term? If we tout that he's anti-war, it's because he is.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955391]What wars did he actively start or oversee during his first term? If we tout that he's anti-war, it's because he is.[/QUOTE]
Thats why he said now we will get to see if its true, mate.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955391]What wars did he actively start or oversee during his first term? If we tout that he's anti-war, it's because he is.[/QUOTE]
Yet you're happy to see that he's the one who started a sour relationship with china some years back in the first place. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Axe;14955407]Yet you're happy to see that he's the one who started a sour relationship with china some years back in the first place. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
lol wut? What a reach by you. China is a communist nation that is eating our lunch. They're buying our land and taking our jobs. They're communists who literally have people enslaved at this very moment. There was no good relationship with that country unless you were willing to overlook everything that I just mentioned.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14955398]Thats why he said now we will get to see if its true, mate.[/QUOTE]
But it was. In his first 4 years. :lol
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955415]lol wut? What a reach by you. China is a communist nation that is eating our lunch. They're buying our land and taking our jobs. They're communists who literally have people enslaved at this very moment. There was no good relationship with that country unless you were willing to overlook everything that I just mentioned.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Things that you love hating so much. China, the muslim and hamas.
[QUOTE=Axe;14955428]:roll:
Things that you love hating so much. China, the muslim and hamas.[/QUOTE]
Are you actually on record here supporting China?? The **** is wrong with you??
Yo that Trump Derangement Syndrome is really affecting the critical thinking of some people here.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14955374]I dont think we can entirely say wether he is anti war or not based on this but if he were to end that war it would absolutely cement him as one of the biggest anti war presidents and presidents of peace ever.
That would be huge.
He can really leave a mark here if he puts his foot down and orders Israel/Netanyahu to stop.
I bet German media would call him antisemetic for it hahaha[/QUOTE]
oh dude i agree - i'd give him [I]infinite[/I] credit for that. i want to be optimistic about trump on foreign affairs. unlike biden, just the fact that he's willing to come to the table and play the give and take game is half the battle.
it just ends up being a matter of the amount of money & influence he allows to be exerted on him by his donors and the foriegn policy establishment... and of course who he ultimately appoints in his cabinet. mike pompeo and tom cotton - yeah... not so optimistic.
[QUOTE=jstern;14955352]I don't think Trump likes Netanyahu, but if he wants to become President, then ACTING like he's the greatest, in public, is an absolute must.
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this is an interesting point. push come to shove, trump isn't going to allow himself to be pushed around on the world stage. if a prolonged or more widespread war in the ME escalates to the expense of his optics, unlike biden who's an idealogue as opposed to an egomaniac like trump, he's more liable to put netanyahu in his place.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14955446]oh dude i agree - i'd give him [I]infinite[/I] credit for that. i want to be optimistic about trump on foreign affairs. unlike biden, just the fact that he's willing to come to the table and play the give and take game is half the battle.
it just ends up being a matter of the amount of money & influence he allows to be exerted on him by his donors and the foriegn policy establishment... and of course who he ultimately appoints in his cabinet. mike pompeo and tom cotton - yeah... not so optimistic.[/QUOTE]
Everybody thats establishment should be miles away from a position, so hearing Mike Pompeo is already alarm bells.
What was all this for, just to appoint guys like that?
Cmon. Dont make me buy into the its all a stage/charade theories, Don.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955391]What wars did he actively start or oversee during his first term? If we tout that he's anti-war, it's because he is.[/QUOTE]
and i've given him credit for that time and time again but that doesn't paint the entire picture nor does it give trump a free pass going into the next four years. there's more to hold a president to account to at the foreign policy level than just starting wars.
like i said, ending the conflict in ukraine is easy politics for him. how he steps up against bibi and the israel lobby is an entirely different story. that's the real test.
so like i said - we'll see.
[QUOTE=diamenz;14955456]and i've given him credit for that time and time again but that doesn't paint the entire picture nor does it give trump a free pass going into the next four years. there's more to hold a president to account to at the foreign policy level than just starting wars.
like i said, ending the conflict in ukraine is easy politics for him. how he steps up against bibi and the israel lobby is an entirely different story. that's the real test.
so like i said - we'll see.[/QUOTE]
He'll convince Hamas to release the hostages and then you won't have to look at Netanyahu all the time and blame him for everything. It's funny, not that I want to get into a whole discussion on Israel again, but I might be the only pro-Israel guy on here, but it just seems as if none of you mention Hamas and the simple fact that all they have to do is release the hostages. Whether they're still alive or dead, just release them. To this day, there are still around 100 Israelis unaccounted for.
Either way, I think Trump already has Hamas shaking in their boots and those hostages get released the day of his Inauguration.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14955453]Everybody thats establishment should be miles away from a position, so hearing Mike Pompeo is already alarm bells.
What was all this for, just to appoint guys like that?
Cmon. Dont make me buy into the its all a stage/charade theories, Don.[/QUOTE]
Announced today that Pompeo won't be joining the administration, same for Nikke Haley.
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14955489]Announced today that Pompeo won't be joining the administration, same for Nikke Haley.[/QUOTE]
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:banana:
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14955489]Announced today that Pompeo won't be joining the administration, same for Nikke Haley.[/QUOTE]
that's a [U]start[/U]. :applause:
[QUOTE=ZenMaster;14955489]Announced today that Pompeo won't be joining the administration, same for Nikke Haley.[/QUOTE]
****ing A.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955482]He'll convince Hamas to release the hostages and then you won't have to look at Netanyahu all the time and blame him for everything. It's funny, not that I want to get into a whole discussion on Israel again, but I might be the only pro-Israel guy on here, but it just seems as if none of you mention Hamas and the simple fact that all they have to do is release the hostages. Whether they're still alive or dead, just release them. To this day, there are still around 100 Israelis unaccounted for.
Either way, I think Trump already has Hamas shaking in their boots and those hostages get released the day of his Inauguration.[/QUOTE]
Not just do Israel have much more hostages / prisoners than Hamas, Netanyahu has already said hostages wont change anything.
You‘re so gullible man.
Netanyahu doesnt give af about the hostages lmao.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14955500]Not just do Israel have much more hostages / prisoners than Hamas, Netanyahu has already said hostages wont change anything.
You‘re so gullible man.
Netanyahu doesnt give af about the hostages lmao.[/QUOTE]
You're so gullible man.
You see? I can call you gullible too.
Let me ask you a question, how do you know Netanyahu doesn't care about the hostages? Did he tell you personally?
You guys are literally incapable of condemning these Muslim savages. It's pathetic.
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955444]Are you actually on record here supporting China?? The **** is wrong with you??
Yo that Trump Derangement Syndrome is really affecting the critical thinking of some people here.[/QUOTE]
I never implied such thing, you overweight dumbass. I just said your orange daddy was responsible for trying to light and play some fire with them.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955501]You're so gullible man.
You see? I can call you gullible too.
Let me ask you a question, how do you know Netanyahu doesn't care about the hostages? Did he tell you personally?
You guys are literally incapable of condemning these Muslim savages. It's pathetic.[/QUOTE]
They let them get away with hostages and the entire operation, are you seriously disagreeing? They wanted this, hes been quoted as saying they should support Hamas. I showed you the quote. They also killed some of their own hostages because they recklessly shot at houses. Even freed hostages were upset with Netanyahu about this.
And they ofc said the hostages dont move the needle anymore. Hes going through with his plans.
How you can be so wildly off on this whole thing is mindboggling. Anything involving muslims your brain just shuts down and goes to > muslims > bad > everyone else cant be doing anything bad
Absurd brain to have
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14955525][B][U]They let them get away with hostages and the entire operation, are you seriously disagreeing? They wanted this[/U][/B], hes been quoted as saying they should support Hamas. I showed you the quote. They also killed some of their own hostages because they recklessly shot at houses. Even freed hostages were upset with Netanyahu about this.
And they ofc said the hostages dont move the needle anymore. Hes going through with his plans.
How you can be so wildly off on this whole thing is mindboggling. Anything involving muslims your brain just shuts down and goes to > muslims > bad > everyone else cant be doing anything bad
Absurd brain to have[/QUOTE]
Stopped reading right there. I can't with some of you. :facepalm
Let's just embrace the Trump victory cause apparently that's what you and I have in common.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955528]Stopped reading right there. I can't with some of you. :facepalm
Let's just embrace the Trump victory cause apparently that's what you and I have in common.[/QUOTE]
Trump isnt going to be a lapdog to Israel like the weak Biden administration. I dont think bibi is willing to mess with Trump and Donald has made this a priority telling them to end it quickly
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;14955528]Stopped reading right there. I can't with some of you. :facepalm
Let's just embrace the Trump victory cause apparently that's what you and I have in common.[/QUOTE]
you didn't stop reading there, you're choosing to be ignorant because you have no logical reply to it. you know israel is in the wrong.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14955732]you didn't stop reading there, you're choosing to be ignorant because you have no logical reply to it. you know israel is in the wrong.[/QUOTE]
Wrong.