Did Blake Griffin live up to the hype of his rookie season? Hall of Fame? 1st ballot?

Blake's rookie season was pretty crazy. 22.5 ppg, 12.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, and 2.7 topg on 57.4% selfORB Adjusted TS/+2.6 rTS. And that was back in 2010-11. Imagine what those numbers would look like in recent seasons. Closer to 25/12/5 most likely.

One of if not the best rookie season since Duncan. Sure, they were a bad team. But it wasn't because of him and he showed his quality on top-end teams shortly after.

I think his peak was 2013-14 for sure. Still had the explosiveness and motor but had become more skilled and experienced. Finished 3rd in the MVP. Put up 24.1 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 3.9 apg, and 2.8 topg on 60.1% selfORB Adjusted TS/+5.3 rTS. Led the team while CP3 was out injured. Showed out in the postseason too.

But was this good enough for you? Did you expect more after how emphatically he debuted? Do you think he's a first-ballot HOFer?

[video=youtube;3qIiD7azsvw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIiD7azsvw&ab_channel=NBAMixer348[/video]

He was always very gifted offensively. I think defensively is where scrutiny needs to be applied. Do you have some defensive metrics for him during those years?

He was a very entertaining player though. I remember watching sports center while at the bar and Blake would be on the top 10 every single time. He had the t. rex arms but he had so much bounce for a guy his size…it was pretty insane.

What’s funny though is I think someone here posted a video about how in the last years of his career he only dunked twice all season or something? That shit was pretty unbelievable.

He succumbed to injury. I will remember him as a wet shooter who used to be a freak athlete. I almost feel like late Blake was more ready to win. I could see him contending.

Dudes forget these:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIezqinCKmA[/url]

Still finishing strong with fewer hops.

-Smak

1st ballot :facepalm

He's definitely a Hall of Famer in my book.

After his rookie season I thought he would join the likes of Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki in the conversation as the best PFs ever. And that he would win an MVP or two along the way. So no, he didn't live up MY expectations, at least.

About the Hall OF Fame I think he will get in, not 1st ballot though.

6 All-star selections and 5 All-NBA teams is easily enough to get into this HoF.

Blake's handle was super tight for a big. Great passer too.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;14964615]6 All-star selections and 5 All-NBA teams is easily enough to get into this HoF.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think it is.

Amare Stoudemire. 6 all-star selections, 5 all-nba teams, more career points, blocks, rebounds than Griffin. Almost the same exact career path and length as Griffin and didn't get in his first selection.

Chris Webber, still not in even with a higher peek and more totals than Griffin. 5 all-star, 6 all-nba

Shawn Kemp, similar career path. Didn't peek as high as Griffin, but had 6 all-star appearances, 3 all-nba, still not in.

The only thing that might get Griffin in on his first selection is had had a great sophomore year in college where he won various awards.

[QUOTE=Meticode;14964964]I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think it is.

Amare Stoudemire. 6 all-star selections, 5 all-nba teams, more career points, blocks, rebounds than Griffin. Almost the same exact career path and length as Griffin and didn't get in his first selection.

Chris Webber, still not in even with a higher peek and more totals than Griffin. 5 all-star, 6 all-nba

Shawn Kemp, similar career path. Didn't peek as high as Griffin, but had 6 all-star appearances, 3 all-nba, still not in.

The only thing that might get Griffin in on his first selection is had had a great sophomore year in college where he won various awards.[/QUOTE]
Chris Webber is in the HOF.

[QUOTE=RRR3;14964977]Chris Webber is in the HOF.[/QUOTE]

You're correct, I misread what I had looked up. No comments on the others or you just want to point out what I was wrong about and not contribute to the conversation?

[QUOTE=Meticode;14965015]You're correct, I misread what I had looked up. No comments on the others or you just want to point out what I was wrong about and not contribute to the conversation?[/QUOTE]
I was just letting you know, it wasn't meant to be criticism :lol


I think Amar'e gets in. Wouldn't be shocked if Kemp does eventually, they let Michael Cooper in ffs

Give it 30 years and he will get into the HOF as everyone eventually does.

When I think of freak athletic PF's, the Mt. Rushmore could easily be Kemp, Amare, Blake, and Giannis. It's interesting that the 1st three were all FOR SURE on a HOF type trajectory. BUT injuries or other issues caught up to them when they should have been at the peak of their careers. And ironically all three of them were 6 Time All Stars.

But I could see Blake getting in one day especially when you throw in his college career. Plus he was also 5 time All NBA to go with the 6 All Star games. I'm not sure he's a first ballot guy though due to the longevity issues. But his college career could indeed get him into that 1st ballot realm. And at his best he was one of the league's most marketable stars. I think guys who are among the top 10 most MARKETABLE STARS in addition to being consistent all star-superstar level players should get points for that too. BECAUSE they are helping to grow the game worldwide. So that falls into the IMPACT type of lane when considering HOF type shit. Amare, Blake, and McDyess are from that Kemp tree too.

Peak wise, he's likely a top 12-15 level PF of all time. I'm not sure if he's top 10 PF ever peak wise cause you got Giannis, Timmy, KG, Barkley, Mailman, AD, Dirk, Hayes, McHale, and Bob P all in that mix. BUT after that, you get into C-Webb, Blake, Amare, K Love, and Kemp type guys. I think Amare gets in too and Kemp should have been in a lil while ago. Not saying Kemp should have been 1st ballot. BUT he redefined freak athletic ability at the PF position. For all intents and purposes, he brought that Nique type style, power, and hops combo to the PF position. You had guys like Nance, Chambers, and Barkley before him who were freak athletic. BUT Kemp took that shit to a whole other level.

Griffin is an all time great. I can't think of another example where an already top player actually became better after losing athleticism. For that alone hes a HOFr

[QUOTE=Meticode;14964964]I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think it is.

Amare Stoudemire. 6 all-star selections, 5 all-nba teams, more career points, blocks, rebounds than Griffin. Almost the same exact career path and length as Griffin and didn't get in his first selection.

Chris Webber, still not in even with a higher peek and more totals than Griffin. 5 all-star, 6 all-nba

Shawn Kemp, similar career path. Didn't peek as high as Griffin, but had 6 all-star appearances, 3 all-nba, still not in.

The only thing that might get Griffin in on his first selection is had had a great sophomore year in college where he won various awards.[/QUOTE]
This is Amare first nomination. He's been playing ball overseas.

Webber is in, it took a while.

Shawn Kemp - has never been nominated.

[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14965074]Griffin is an all time great. I can't think of another example where an already top player actually became better after losing athleticism. For that alone hes a HOFr[/QUOTE]

exactly, like I said people slept.

Watch that det video I posted, kids, dude's game is stupid. He's out there playing old man ball vs NBA guys and busting their ass haha. His handle is so ****ing tight. It was good, but it became way better. But his ability to get contact and use it to get to where he's supposed to be blows my mind. I def hated on Blake until I saw him later. It's like lul look at trash ass Blake... then it's like oh, that was nice... oh, that was nice, too, wait a minute.

Edit: Shit like he did at :39 in that vid I posted, you have to really be paying attention to realize how dirty that was haha.

-Smak

[QUOTE=ILLsmak;14965078]exactly, like I said people slept.

Watch that det video I posted, kids, dude's game is stupid. He's out there playing old man ball vs NBA guys and busting their ass haha. His handle is so ****ing tight. It was good, but it became way better. But his ability to get contact and use it to get to where he's supposed to be blows my mind. I def hated on Blake until I saw him later. It's like lul look at trash ass Blake... then it's like oh, that was nice... oh, that was nice, too, wait a minute.

Edit: Shit like he did at :39 in that vid I posted, you have to really be paying attention to realize how dirty that was haha.

-Smak[/QUOTE]

100 percent man

No...

The closest person I see to him today is Julius Randle.

Ofc you have to contribute in atleast a half significant way, but Blake is the definition of fame for me.

He deserves to be in the hall way more than guys who randomly happened to be on dynasties.

For some time Blake was one of most famous players in the NBA.

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14966733]No...

The closest person I see to him today is Julius Randle.[/QUOTE]

23/10/4

All-NBA 2nd Team 3x/All-NBA 3rd team 2x
6x All-Star

Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Duncan, Dirk, KG.
Those are the last power forwards to make the Hall. You could argue him being better than 4 of them.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;14966795]23/10/4

All-NBA 2nd Team 3x/All-NBA 3rd team 2x
6x All-Star

Webber, Bosh, Gasol, Duncan, Dirk, KG.
Those are the last power forwards to make the Hall. You could argue him being better than 4 of them.[/QUOTE]

No you can't.... you have to be trolling.

I'm going to guess you're talking about webber, bosh, dirk and gasol. Three of those won rings and the other two contributed significantly in the NCAA or international bball. All six of those players are on another level vs Blake.

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14966931]No you can't.... you have to be trolling.

I'm going to guess you're talking about webber, bosh, dirk and gasol. Three of those won rings and the other two contributed significantly in the NCAA or international bball. All six of those players are on another level vs Blake.[/QUOTE]

Offensively hes as good as any PF ever. The complete package if there ever was one.

[QUOTE=rawimpact;14966931]No you can't.... you have to be trolling.

I'm going to guess you're talking about webber, bosh, dirk and gasol. Three of those won rings and the other two contributed significantly in the NCAA or international bball. All six of those players are on another level vs Blake.[/QUOTE]
My mistake, I meant he could he the 4th guy behind Dirk, KG and Duncan.
You can make an argument he was better than Bosh, Gasol and Webber. Plus I think Blake got Gasol pregnant a time or two on some nasty dunks lol.

Rookie season, I don't know. But he definitely did not live up to the hype of his final season at Oklahoma. In his defense, it would have been hard to with the injuries. But for those who don't remember, he was [I]literally[/I] an unstoppable force.