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he's on the trade block. unfortunately the suns haven't decided to trade away booker and kd yet but they have benched beal AND nurkic as a result of poor play. kind of weird that after 3 major roster changes, 4 coaches the only common denominator is devin booker but the organization refuses to acknowledge he is the problem. weird huh?
and rumors are beal is willing to waive the ntc. being benched does that.
I knew that trade would blow up in their face. :oldlol: Good luck trading that contract.
The hornets.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14967831]I knew that trade would blow up in their face. :oldlol: Good luck trading that contract.[/QUOTE]
Like you knew the signing would blow up on the wizards, even though it ended up doing them no harm and getting them a bunch of draft capital as you were told it would?
Won’t be much trouble moving again either. It never is. People just feel like it is despite all evidence to the contrary. Theres gonna be 18 players making 48-59 million next year and almost 30 making 40.
it has never been easier to move a big contract because the CBA has bumped the middle class up to what used to be Max money while holding the previous max players pay below what it used to be percentage wise.
The owners made it easier on themselves to figure these things out. Vanvleet plus Jeff Green is $50 million.
And the new money isn’t even here till next year.
How many picks away from Butler's value?
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14967843]How many picks away from Butler's value?[/QUOTE]
not enough, miami already said they are not looking to take on beal's contract
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967837]Like you knew the signing would blow up on the wizards, even though it ended up doing them no harm and getting them a bunch of draft capital as you were told it would?
Won’t be much trouble moving again either. It never is. People just feel like it is despite all evidence to the contrary. Theres gonna be 18 players making 48-59 million next year and almost 30 making 40.
it has never been easier to move a big contract because the CBA has bumped the middle class up to what used to be Max money while holding the previous max players pay below what it used to be percentage wise.
The owners made it easier on themselves to figure these things out. Vanvleet plus Jeff Green is $50 million.
And the new money isn’t even here till next year.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that the Wizards won 35 games in a year they were attempting to win, right? As i said at the time they weren't going to win with Beal even though they also had Porzingis (who had a career year). The GM got fired a year after making that deal. The Beal contract was so bad it literally got the GM fired by an owner who let Grunfeld hold the job for 14 years.
They completely wasted a year and missed out having a high pick in a very strong draft. And what did they get for Beal? Some 2nd rounders and pick swaps, and the only reason they got that is because Beal waived his no trade clause. And oh yeah it took a crazy new Suns owner to get that.
Not only that they could have gotten something other than a sandwich by trading Porzingus when he was still under contract. They had no leverage trading him to Boston because Porzingus could opt out and walk for nothing.
There was literally no upside to resigning Beal to that deal.
NBA lifers who have held executive positions have said it’s probably the worst contract in the history of the NBA
KBlaze and DMavs hold the L
Sure No upside to signing a contract that was easily moved that they did not have to pay that resulted in several pick swaps you yourself were praising as looking valuable yesterday.
A deal a couple of you were arguing was the worst signing in history resulted in literally nothing negative with several picks we will have to talk about in five years After being moved easily the very moment it was decided to shop it.
must be the least destructive signing in the history of signings I was told with destroyer franchise.
It did literally no harm whatsoever Wasn’t paid for and resulted in several improved drafts. I swear the sons could end up having to give you the eighth pick as you draft a Hall of Famer and you’ll still pretend the wizards were harmed, putting ink to paper on a contract they didn’t even pay.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967856]Sure No upside to signing a contract that was easily moved that they did not have to pay that resulted in several pick swaps you yourself were praising as looking valuable yesterday.
A deal a couple of you were arguing was the worst signing in history resulted in literally nothing negative with several picks we will have to talk about in five years After being moved easily the very moment it was decided to shop it.
must be the least destructive signing in the history of signings I was told with destroyer franchise.
It did literally no harm whatsoever Wasn’t paid for and resulted in several improved drafts. I swear the sons could end up having to give you the eighth pick as you draft a Hall of Famer and you’ll still pretend the wizards were harmed, putting ink to paper on a contract they didn’t even pay.[/QUOTE]
Easily moved? First of all it had to be to a team Beal approved of so he could waive his no trade clause. Secondly it took a team dumb enough to trade for him. That doesn't qualify as easily moved.
After this season Beal still has two years left for $110 million. That isn't a contract that is easily moved. BTW how is that Lavine trade coming along?
The Wizards signed Beal intending to win and they won only 35 games. The Suns traded for Beal intending to contend for a title and it has blown up in their faces. The Beal contract is toxic to any team that is actually trying to win.
Instead of starting the tank for the Wemby draft we started the tank in a year Risacher got picked at 1.
There is a difference between Beal being worth the contract and the contract hiring the Wizards. I do see the Wizards as having gotten lucky with a trading partner in Phoenix but then getting lucky means signing the deal shouldn't have. Sure, if every other GM was good they would have been stuck but that's never been the case.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14967855]NBA lifers who have held executive positions have said it’s probably the worst contract in the history of the NBA
KBlaze and DMavs hold the L[/QUOTE]
go look at Kawhi Leonard and Paul George’s pay the next several years. Look at what they have done this year and project several more years of it as they become worse.
Beals contract wouldn’t even be the second worst of people who were on the clippers last season.
Reading reports of the response from when my team was checking the market for Zach Lavine I’m not sure it compares to that either. Beal got traded in about 45 minutes.
it would have a hard time contending for the worst contract in wizard history. Even forgetting John wall who is who most would remember recently, they paid Juwan Howard more than Hakeem. At the point beals contract would be expiring he will still being paid the modern copy equivalent of $60 million because you could sign for 7 years in those days.
Howard’s contract would be like signing….hell I don’t know…Siakam…to 350 million. Except having to pay for 2 more seasonsz
[QUOTE=tontoz;14967859]Easily moved? First of all it had to be to a team Beal approved of so he could waive his no trade clause. Secondly it took a team dumb enough to trade for him. That doesn't qualify as easily moved.
After this season Beal still has two years left for $110 million. That isn't a contract that is easily moved. BTW how is that Lavine trade coming along?
The Wizards signed Beal intending to win and they won only 35 games. The Suns traded for Beal intending to contend for a title and it has blown up in their faces. The Beal contract is toxic to any team that is actually trying to win.
Instead of starting the tank for the Wemby draft we started the tank in a year Risacher got picked at 1.[/QUOTE]
if you announce the two of you have decided to look for a trade partner and you find one immediately? It’s kind of hard to call it something other than easy.
it went precisely the way you were told it would. The no trade clause didn’t end up being an issue. The salary didn’t end up being an issue. The very moment it was decided he should be elsewhere it was quickly accomplished for draft capital you will be happy to accept from the suns in years to come.
Didnt pay the money. Got compensation. Big nothing.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967864]if you announce the two of you have decided to look for a trade partner and you find one immediately? It’s kind of hard to call it something other than easy.
it went precisely the way you were told it would. The no trade clause didn’t end up being an issue. The salary didn’t end up being an issue. The very moment it was decided he should be elsewhere it was quickly accomplished for draft capital you will be happy to accept from the suns in years to come.
Didnt pay the money. Got compensation. Big nothing.[/QUOTE]
Just because you win by going all in with 73 off against AA doesn't make it a good play.
You probably wouldn't remember the amnesty clause. It was in the CBA years ago which allowed a team to release a player and his contract wouldn't count against the cap, even though they would still be paying it. The wizards used it on Blatche and were still paying him while he was playing in China.
Why did they put the amnesty clause into the CBA of bad contracts were so easy to trade?
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967862]go look at Kawhi Leonard and Paul George’s pay the next several years. Look at what they have done this year and project several more years of it as they become worse.
Beals contract wouldn’t even be the second worst of people who were on the clippers last season.
Reading reports of the response from when my team was checking the market for Zach Lavine I’m not sure it compares to that either. Beal got traded in about 45 minutes.
it would have a hard time contending for the worst contract in wizard history. Even forgetting John wall who is who most would remember recently, they paid Juwan Howard more than Hakeem. At the point beals contract would be expiring he will still being paid the modern copy equivalent of $60 million because you could sign for 7 years in those days.
Howard’s contract would be like signing….hell I don’t know…Siakam…to 350 million. Except having to pay for 2 more seasonsz[/QUOTE]
its telling when you need to go back 30 years to get into the ballpark of contracts being this bad
Even beal being in the conversation isn’t a good look (for you at least)
Amnesty clause history. Maybe Kblaze should have told all these teams they didn't need to amnesty players since it is so easy to trade them.
[url]https://boardroom.tv/amnesty-clause-nba-2022/[/url]
You think somebody is weird about irrelevant NBA details as I am wouldn’t remember the amnesty clause?
I didn’t say all bad contracts are easy to trade. I said Bradley Beal would be easy to trade and in fact he was. it was immediately accomplished and didn’t even seem too contentious from the outside looking in Someone else not being easy to trade isn’t particularly relevant is it?
Anyway, haven’t given it some thought. I’m thinking the worst contract in history Isn’t Howard either. I’m thinking hot Rod Williams, John Koncak, or Ernie de Gregorio.
I’m pretty sure Ernie was the highest paid player in history at one point, but maybe I won’t count him because there was no salary cap at the time.
in the days of hot Rod and Koncak, even though they had a cap, the rules were so weird it wasn’t as damaging.
The dumbest contract ever signed might well be the warriors giving rookie Chris Webber a 15 year contract with a player option after one year that allowed him to demand Don Nelson be fired or he would walk and destroy the franchise. They ended up trading him to you guys as I’m sure youre aware.
That has to be about the most brain dead signing in history, right?
except they did it trade it for picks in a couple loaded drafts they ****ed up and googs who was pretty good.
You guys traded picks from 96 and 98.
I’m not sure what signing in history had the most real life tangible harm.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14967826]he's on the trade block. unfortunately the suns haven't decided to trade away booker and kd yet but they have benched beal AND nurkic as a result of poor play. kind of weird that after 3 major roster changes, 4 coaches the only common denominator is devin booker but the organization refuses to acknowledge he is the problem. weird huh?
and rumors are beal is willing to waive the ntc. being benched does that.[/QUOTE]
I'll trade you Zach Lavine for him.
Dumb logic. That's like a guy who makes a killing on an options play and then says it is easy.to make money on options plays.
If Beal doesn't want to go to the Suns, or if the Suns don't get bought by a crazy owner, the deal doesn't happen.
I suspect the only team neal would really want to go to is Miami. I seriously doubt Riley nis taking on that contract.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14967866]its telling when you need to go back 30 years to get into the ballpark of contracts being this bad
Even beal being in the conversation isn’t a good look (for you at least)[/QUOTE]
I don’t have to go past this summer. George is 4 years older than Beal is today not 3 years ago. And he’s making 50+ a year…putting up 16 on 42/34…on a 14-19 team.
And it might not be the worst contract handed to a Clipper in 2024.
I legitimately keep forgetting Kawhi Leonard exists. He just played his first game. His knee is made of hopes and dreams. He also makes 50.
And I don’t think either one of them is the answer either.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14967872]Dumb logic. That's like a guy who makes a killing on an options play and then says it is easy.to make money on options plays.
If Beal doesn't want to go to the Suns, or if the Suns don't get bought by a crazy owner, the deal doesn't happen.
I suspect the only team neal would really want to go to is Miami. I seriously doubt Riley nis taking on that contract.[/QUOTE]
so you’re telling me if reality weren’t what it is, I would be wrong to have said he could be traded easily? OK. You got me there.
In worlds that don’t exist I’m sure it was a real hassle. Just not this one.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967870]You think somebody is weird about irrelevant NBA details as I am wouldn’t remember the amnesty clause?
I didn’t say all bad contracts are easy to trade. I said Bradley Beal would be easy to trade and in fact he was.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you can't keep your story straight.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967837]
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Won’t be much trouble moving again either. It never is. [/B]People just feel like it is despite all evidence to the contrary. Theres gonna be 18 players making 48-59 million next year and almost 30 making 40.
it has never been easier to move a big contract because the CBA has bumped the middle class up to what used to be Max money while holding the previous max players pay below what it used to be percentage wise.
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And of course now teams have to worry about the 2nd apron which didn't exist before.
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Sounds like you can't keep your story straight.
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I’m sure in some alternate universe there’s a conflict there but not in this one. Maybe it’s in the same universe the wizards had trouble trading Beal.
Feel free to explain it to me and I’ll get back to you a little later. If we could keep the discussion in the world that exists, I would appreciate that though.
I’ve always had trouble countering arguments based on fictional universes.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;14967879]I’m sure in some alternate universe there’s a conflict there but not in this one. Maybe it’s in the same universe the wizards had trouble trading Beal.
Feel free to explain it to me and I’ll get back to you a little later. If we could keep the discussion in the world that exists, I would appreciate that though.
I’ve always had trouble countering arguments based on fictional universes.[/QUOTE]
A world where big contracts were easy to trade wouldn't have an amnesty clause in the CBA.
if beal was easy to trade this thread wouldn’t exist right now
lol
If bulls can’t find a deal for Levine after the last 3 years, what makes suns fans think someone is gonna take Beal, who is a shittier player on an even shittier contract? :oldlol:
Beal is doing 18 ppg on 48% and 39% 3P shooting, as 3rd option. What do they want from him? :D
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14967903]Beal is doing 18 ppg on 48% and 39% 3P shooting, as 3rd option. What do they want from him? :D[/QUOTE]
his talents are extremely redundant on a team shy of depth. they're barely competing against an embiid-less team tonight, fully healthy.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14967903]Beal is doing 18 ppg on 48% and 39% 3P shooting, as 3rd option. What do they want from him? :D[/QUOTE]
He has the worst plus minus on the team, by a lot.
The bench scorer role will probably be better for him since he will have the ball more.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;14967885]if beal was easy to trade this thread wouldn’t exist right now
lol[/QUOTE]
if he were, it wouldn’t have been eight days from his agent and the wizards acknowledging they would try until it was finalized.
It’s been known to take months for people with none of this nonsense talk.
I’m not even sure he’s being traded now. I don’t read up on The rumors as much as I did years ago.
I do see he was just the games leading scorer off the bench, coincidentally against Paul George. It’s been surprising how much Paul has skated so far this year. Maybe the assumption is he still hurt. But they’re paying his ass till he’s like 39.
I’m actually wondering what they could get for him near the trade deadline. They would look stupid at this point so it would never happen, but I’m just curious. Most of the people I can think makes sense to swap for him have much shorter deals.
Brandon Ingram and Zion have to be on the block soon. But it doesn’t make sense to trade them for anything but draft picks.
I feel like a lot of this won’t get straightened out till this summer when people start opting out.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14967903]Beal is doing 18 ppg on 48% and 39% 3P shooting, as 3rd option. What do they want from him? :D[/QUOTE]
So he's a decent 3rd option that's being paid 1st option, All-NBA 1st team money.
Also funny to see kblaze still defending the Beal trade despite the unanimous consensus everywhere that it was a bad trade :oldlol:
[QUOTE=bison;14968143]So he's a decent 3rd option that's being paid 1st option, All-NBA 1st team money.
Also funny to see kblaze still defending the Beal trade despite the unanimous consensus everywhere that it was a bad trade :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't want him on a max deal but there's only so much you can get out of a guy when his primary role is scoring and he's only the third best perimeter scorer on his team, playing with one of three greatest if not the greatest scorer of all time. Not that he's averaging 30 on 50% somewhere else but don't forget that Ray Allen went from 26ppg to the teens when he went from Seattle to Boston.
Are the Suns really going to lose to the Hornets with their 'big 3' playing?
:facepalm
[QUOTE=tontoz;14968151]Are the Suns really going to lose to the Hornets with their 'big 3' playing?
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
do you now understand why i am calling for a full rebuild? like ship out kd and booker.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14968156]do you now understand why i am calling for a full rebuild? like ship out kd and booker.[/QUOTE]
I knew Beal would be a bad fit but I didn't expect it to happen this fast.
The Suns can't really do a full rebuild because they don't own their own picks.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14968158]I knew Beal would be a bad fit but I didn't expect it to happen this fast.
The Suns can't really do a full rebuild because they don't own their own picks.[/QUOTE]
thats why you ship out kd and book for picks. you should be able to get a good haul for those 2. beal is nearly untradable so just hold on to him in the meantime. they're quite literally losing to lottery teams.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14968159]thats why you ship out kd and book for picks. you should be able to get a good haul for those 2. beal is nearly untradable so just hold on to him in the meantime. they're quite literally losing to lottery teams.[/QUOTE]
Even if you do that you won't control your own picks so tanking does no good. We have the rights to swap picks in the even years and the Nets have your picks in the odd years.
[QUOTE=tontoz;14968160]Even if you do that you won't control your own picks so tanking does no good. We have the rights to swap picks in the even years and the Nets have your picks in the odd years.[/QUOTE]
its not about tanking, it's about rebuilding. moving on from booker and kd is the only way forward. this guy isn't winning a title for this team. keeping him is just prolonging the inevitable.
[QUOTE=highwhey;14968165]its not about tanking, it's about rebuilding. moving on from booker and kd is the only way forward. this guy isn't winning a title for this team. keeping him is just prolonging the inevitable.[/QUOTE]
While that may be true in order to start a full rebuild the owner and mgt have to admit that they blew it. I know from history that is unlikely to happen this quickly.