When KD/Warriors arent colluded, Lebron kinda owns both of em

1-0 in the finals vs KD with no Steph. Im sure you remember all those articles/narratives for years about how Durant was always "second to Lebron."

1-1* in the finals vs Steph with no KD (the loss doesnt really count but thats a diff issue, Lebron's '16 win was much more impressive than GS's '15 win). Lebron in the western conference has gotten the better of GS in a playoff series, a play in game, hes always daddy dickin em on christmas and national TV games.


So yeah I just think it's worth remembering if some weird convergence of circumstance didnt allow a 73 win team to sign prime Durant, Lebron would have like 7 titles right now.

Let that sink into your domepiece BITCHES.

In all reality, LeBron peaked from 2015-2018 and if crazy bad luck didn't strike (love/Irving injured in 15, KD unprecedented move to GS) we could be talking about LeBrons 4 peat and greatest run in sports history.

We were robbed mang.

@faps

Durant joining a 73 wins team. Ruined a great rivalry

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14972224]In all reality, LeBron peaked from 2015-2018 and if crazy bad luck didn't strike (love/Irving injured in 15, KD unprecedented move to GS) we could be talking about LeBrons 4 peat and greatest run in sports history.

We were robbed mang.[/QUOTE]

That is a damn good point. I will not recover from the blatant robbery.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14972272]That is a damn good point. I will not recover from the blatant robbery.[/QUOTE]
Me either :(

Jordan was damn lucky he was going up against plumbers instead of juggernauts like the KD Warriors.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972286]Me either :(

Jordan was damn lucky he was going up against plumbers instead of juggernauts like the KD Warriors.[/QUOTE]

They weren't ****ing plumbers you moron... They were grocery baggers and mechanics.

[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14972223]1-0 in the finals vs KD with no Steph. Im sure you remember all those articles/narratives for years about how Durant was always "second to Lebron."

1-1* in the finals vs Steph with no KD (the loss doesnt really count but thats a diff issue, Lebron's '16 win was much more impressive than GS's '15 win). Lebron in the western conference has gotten the better of GS in a playoff series, a play in game, hes always daddy dickin em on christmas and national TV games.


So yeah I just think it's worth remembering if some weird convergence of circumstance didnt allow a 73 win team to sign prime Durant, Lebron would have like 7 titles right now.

Let that sink into your domepiece BITCHES.[/QUOTE]


Lebron got the unprecedented help of 6 straight preseason favorites from 11-16' and a sidekick outplaying the MVP, so this unprecedented advantage required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it (KD's)... The media's trick was pretending that Lebron's teams were completely normal and weren't unprecedented advantages that needed to be overcome...

And Durant outplayed Lebron the 2012 Finals, but Lebron simply had more help, plus he was facing babies that were the same age as 07' Lebron when he got a pass due to age.

Ultimately, Lebron would have zero chips without teaming up with opposing franchise players.

LeBron dominating KD & OKC was an accepted thing before KD joined the Warriors. KD went 3-13 vs LeBron in their matchups and that doesn't even include the 2012 Finals.

LeBron has outplayed Curry in every series that have matched up.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972299]

was an accepted thing


[/Quote]


That's how fraud works kid

The media's trick was pretending that Lebron's teams were completely normal and weren't unprecedented advantages that needed to be overcome with another unprecedented advantage (KD's)... But 6 straight preseason favorites and a sidekick outplaying the MVP [U]is[/U] an unprecedented advantage that required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it.

And hindsight is 20/20, so we can see now that 22-23 year old cores never won titles, so Lebron beating babies means nothing and amounts to a cheap ring .. KD and Westbrook were the same age that gave Lebron a pass in 2007

Everyone knows Lebron has always been a tier above KD/Curry. KD joining the 73 win Warriors after losing to them would be like Larry Bird joining the Magic/Lakers after Larry lost in the NBA 1985 finals in order to team up against MJ (who would never defeat an elite team that had both Larry and Magic at their peaks).

Curry has NEVER outplayed Lebron in ANY playoff series. KD definitely equalized Lebron in the 17/18 finals, but that was only by playing on the most stacked team in the 3-point era.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972318]That's how fraud works kid

The media's trick was pretending that Lebron's teams were completely normal and weren't unprecedented advantages that needed to be overcome with another unprecedented advantage (KD's)... But 6 straight preseason favorites and a sidekick outplaying the MVP [U]is[/U] an unprecedented advantage that required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it.

And hindsight is 20/20, so we can see now that 22-23 year old cores never won titles, so Lebron beating babies means nothing and amounts to a cheap ring .. KD and Westbrook were the same age that gave Lebron a pass in 2007[/QUOTE]

Dude talking about media tricks when he slurps MJ all day, the most slurped on athlete in media history.

The irony of Bronie fluffers being upset by someone jumping to a stacked team. :roll:

Can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972321]Dude talking about media tricks when he slurps MJ all day, the most slurped on athlete in media history.[/QUOTE]


Nick Wright, Colin Cowherd, Kendrick Perkins and many others have lied about Jordan's career for years now, so you're wrong.

And MJ has the goat hardware and achievement to support him being the GOAT, so he didn't need a league conspiracy and GM's to ship him all the good players.. The current conspiracy to get Lebron #5 is because he's a perennial loser that couldn't achieve goat caliber like 70 wins, 3-peat, dynasty, or a viable win frequency (4/22).

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972299]LeBron dominating KD & OKC was an accepted thing before KD joined the Warriors. KD went 3-13 vs LeBron in their matchups and that doesn't even include the 2012 Finals.

LeBron has outplayed Curry in every series that have matched up.[/QUOTE]

Curry outplayed Lebron in the Olympics. Truth hurts.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14972327]Curry outplayed Lebron in the Olympics. Truth hurts.[/QUOTE]
Barkley outplayed Jordan by a far bigger margin.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972328]Barkley outplayed Jordan by a far bigger margin.[/QUOTE]


It didn't matter because the margin of victory was 40 PPG, while Curry outplaying Lebron mattered because the games were tight.. The reality is that the US had to overcome Lebron's 5 turnovers in 24 minutes per game (10 per 48 min) and a ball-dominance that froze out Curry and Ant for half the tourney, and Tatum for all of it.. So Lebron was horrible in the Olympics, which is why the US barely won despite 12x the All-NBA stars as their opponents

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972333]It didn't matter because the margin of victory was 40 PPG, while Curry outplaying Lebron mattered because the games were tight.. The reality is that the US had to overcome Lebron's 5 turnovers in 24 minutes per game (10 per 48 min) and a ball-dominance that froze out Curry and Ant for half the tourney, and Tatum for all of it.. So Lebron was horrible in the Olympics, which is why the US barely won despite 12x the All-NBA stars as their opponents[/QUOTE]

Lebron wins Olympic MVP as the oldest NBA player and proves he's still best in the world.

3ball: :cry::cry::cry:

Also we know none of MJ's olympic rings matters because, as you just said, there was no worldwide competition in those days. The "modern" NBA/global talent competition didn't start until 2003 when MJ was basically done.

Even Kobe recognized this in 2008.

Kobe: "Things are no longer a “cakewalk” according to Bryant, who points out that his own 2008 Olympic squad had to sweat out its Gold Medal victory. The Black Mamba adds that global hoops competition will only become more fierce in the coming years, and that Team USA must “respect everybody.”

As always, Lebron's road is simply harder than MJ's road.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14972336]Lebron wins Olympic MVP as the oldest NBA player and proves he's still best in the world.

3ball: :cry::cry::cry:

Also we know none of MJ's olympic rings matters because, as you just said, there was so worldwide competition in those days. The "modern" NBA didn't start until 2003 when MJ was basically done.[/QUOTE]


The media has created a massive fraud by pretending a perennial loser and choker like Lebron is actually a winner and clutch.

But his horrific clutch efficiency and perennial losing status with every team proves otherwise.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972339]The media has created a massive fraud by pretending a perennial loser and choker like Lebron is actually a winner and clutch.

But his horrific clutch efficiency and perennial losing status with every team proves otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Lebron wins Olympic MVP as the oldest NBA player and proves he's still best in the world.

3ball: More tears

Also we know none of MJ's olympic medals matters because, as you just said, there was no worldwide competition in those days. The "modern" NBA/global talent competition didn't start until 2003 when MJ was basically done.

Even Kobe recognized this in 2008.

Kobe: "Things are no longer a “cakewalk” according to Bryant, who points out that his own 2008 Olympic squad had to sweat out its Gold Medal victory. The Black Mamba adds that global hoops competition will only become more fierce in the coming years, and that Team USA must “respect everybody.”

As always, Lebron's road is simply harder than MJ's road.

[QUOTE=Full Court;14972327]Curry outplayed Lebron in the Olympics. Truth hurts.[/QUOTE]

Who won MVP?

And didn't Barkley make MJ look like a role players in '92?

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14972341]

As always, Lebron's road is simply harder than MJ's road.[/QUOTE]


Any team with Lebron's ball-dominance will underperform and this includes the 08' Dream Team that had 12x the All-NBA players as their opponents, but barely won.

And Lebron's path was easier by putting the top 3 PER's in the league on 1 team, and hand-picking 6 straight preseason favorites, and having a sidekick outplayi the MVP, and having sidekicks make the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love)..

So Lebron is a complete joke and only dummies, kids and betas like him

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972346]Any team with Lebron's ball-dominance will underperform and this includes the 08' Dream Team that had 12x the All-NBA players as their opponents, but barely won.

And Lebron's path was easier by putting the top 3 PER's in the league on 1 team, and hand-picking 6 straight preseason favorites, and having a sidekick outplayi the MVP, and having sidekicks make the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love)..

So Lebron is a complete joke and only dummies, kids and betas like him[/QUOTE]

We know none of MJ's olympic medals matters because, as you just said, there was no worldwide competition in those days (victories by 40 points). The "modern" NBA/global talent competition didn't start until 2003 when MJ was basically done.

Even Kobe recognized this in 2008.

Kobe: "Things are no longer a “cakewalk” according to Bryant, who points out that his own 2008 Olympic squad had to sweat out its Gold Medal victory. The Black Mamba adds that global hoops competition will only become more fierce in the coming years, and that Team USA must “respect everybody.”

As always, Lebron's road is simply harder than MJ's road.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14972347]We know none of MJ's olympic medals matters because, as you just said, there was no worldwide competition in those days (victories by 40 points). The "modern" NBA/global talent competition didn't start until 2003 when MJ was basically done.

Even Kobe recognized this in 2008.

Kobe: "Things are no longer a “cakewalk” according to Bryant, who points out that his own 2008 Olympic squad had to sweat out its Gold Medal victory. The Black Mamba adds that global hoops competition will only become more fierce in the coming years, and that Team USA must “respect everybody.”

As always, Lebron's road is simply harder than MJ's road.[/QUOTE]


Was Lebron on the 2008 team? Because that's why they underperformed.

Also, Jordan beat Magic and Shaq > anyone Lebron beat... And he didn't need a 3rd star like Bosh/Love, or a teammate to lead the scoring like AD

Jordan had a worse cast than every Finals opponent, while Lebron has a better cast, such as 3 franchise players to 1 for the 16' Warriors... 07' is the exception, but that's when Lebron became the first player to shoot 35% with 6 TO's in a series (the worst anyone ever played)

Lebron also had preseason favorite status for 6 straight years and a sidekick to outplay the MVP - this is unprecedented help

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972350]Was Lebron on the 2008 team? Because that's why they underperformed.

Also, Jordan beat Magic and Shaq > anyone Lebron beat... And he didn't need a 3rd star like Bosh/Love, or a teammate to lead the scoring like AD[/QUOTE]
LeBron beat Curry who you rank ahead of both Magic & Shaq

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972350]Was Lebron on the 2008 team? Because that's why they underperformed.[/QUOTE]

They underperformed by winning Gold? :lol

This 3ball fellow has a fetish for being destroyed on NBA forums. Straight fetish and addiction for it.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14972353]They underperformed by winning Gold? :lol[/QUOTE]


They had 12x the All-NBA talent as their opponents, but barely won - that's underachievement

And it's because the first high-scoring ball-dominators entered the league around 2000 (guys that averaged 25+ with low assisted rates/many unassisted buckets), and this permanently reduced the US brand of ball and chemistry, so we've been barely winning or even losing ever since

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972357]They had 12x the All-NBA talent as their opponents, but barely won - that's underachievement

And it's because the first high-scoring ball-dominators entered the league around 2000 (guys that averaged 25+ with low assisted rates/many unassisted buckets), and this permanently reduced the US brand of ball and chemistry, so we've been barely winning or even losing ever since[/QUOTE]

Kobe completely disagrees and explained that 92 Barcelona faced no competition, but by 2008, and entire generation of new worldwide talent had developed. In fact, everyone acknowledges this and disagrees with you.

You even admitted earlier that Barkley outplaying MJ in the olympics didnt matter because they didnt face any competition.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14972358]Kobe completely disagrees and explained that 92 Barcelona faced no competition, but by 2008, and entire generation of new worldwide talent had developed. In fact, everyone acknowledges this and disagrees with you.

You even admitted earlier that Barkley outplaying MJ in the olympics didnt matter because they didnt face any competition.[/QUOTE]


I didn't say that they didn't face competition - you made that up - they won by big margins because they were better basketball players that knew how to move the ball and have great chemistry - this contrasts with today's ball-dominators

And when you say "everyone", you mean the dumb media and fans that don't care to actually look into it like myself and other insightful people

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972361]I didn't say that they didn't face competition - you made that up - they won by big margins because they were better basketball players that knew how to move the ball and have great chemistry - this contrasts with today's ball-dominators

And when you say "everyone", you mean the dumb media and fans that don't care to actually look into it like myself and other insightful people[/QUOTE]

You did say they didn't face competition by virtue of winning every game by 40 points. Also the 92 dream team only faced 9 other NBA players :lol

Also Kobe Bryant himself disagrees with everything you've said.

3ball having a weird meltdown over LeBron beating Curry last night.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972352]LeBron beat Curry who you rank ahead of both Magic & Shaq[/QUOTE]
Didn't even try to address this one huh :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972328]Barkley outplayed Jordan by a far bigger margin.[/QUOTE]

So we're in agreement that Curry outplayed Lebron in the Olympics then?