Who else enjoyed this level of transaction activity & roster improvements?

[B]Taureen Prince, Spencer Dinwiddie, Gabe Vincent, Jared Vanderbilt, Christian Wood, Andre Drummond, Cam Reddish, Russell Westbrook, D-Lo, Rui Hachimura, Dorian-Finney-Smith, Dennis Schroeder, Patrick Beverly, Malik Monk, Avery Bradley, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Alex Caruso, KCP, Danny Green and Montrezl Harrell (6MOY before joining Lakers).

^^^ It's fraud - no other team in the league gets ANYWHERE NEAR this level of transactions and getting every good role player shipped to them.. The league-wide objective is to get Lebron #5 and GM's are in on it... Why can't Jokic or Curry get this kind of transaction activity and have opposing GM's willing to deal and help them out??... It's pathetic and Lebron is completely carried - the biggest fraud in sports history.. An ONGOING fraud.. [/B]..

It isn't coincidence that Dorian Finney Smith and Gabe Vincent arrived on the Lakers after being the hottest-shooting role players in the previous playoffs (24' and 23' Playoffs)... The current Lakers have the best 2nd option in the league, and all these transactions have given them the deepest team... Guys like Dinwiddie, Taureen Prince, Monk, Christian Wood, Westbrook and others were buried on the Lakers bench but started elsewhere.

It turns out that Westbrook is a great player and yet Lebron has even gotten rid of his replacement D-Lo!!!!... Everyone was so happy that Westbrook was replaced by a good shooter, yet that wasn't enough either.. Lebron simply has the worst chemistry ever, due to his skillset restriction to ball-dominance... And it's [I]abnormal[/I] ball-dominance from the frontcourt, so it's the worst ball-dominance that yields the worst chemistry and most underperforming teams ever - this includes the most losses ever with preseason favorites, Finals teams and bevies of losses with all-star teammates, homecourt, and 1 or 2 seeds... Almost any other star would easily be the colossal favorite and win a title with this team.

You are a fraud for calling Wemby a bust.

Look at this team adding NBA players like that, shit is unprecedented.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972306]Look at this team adding NBA players like that, shit is unprecedented.[/QUOTE]


Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972308]Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much[/QUOTE]
1-9

Maybe its because players think that with Lebron they can win. Maybe its just the pull of the Lakers. You can't be certain about anything, except that op is a deranged psychopath. That is certain.

[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14972316]Maybe its because players think that with Lebron they can win. Maybe its just the pull of the Lakers. You can't be certain about anything, except that op is a deranged psychopath. That is certain.[/QUOTE]


These role players are being traded by GM's and don't have a choice

Smh, you're a fraud victim sir

OP and trump are the biggest whiners/snowflakes on the planet :roll:

They both cry about "fraud" because there are PERMANTELY in their feelings and triggered.

[QUOTE=PeroAntic;14972316]Maybe its because players think that with Lebron they can win. Maybe its just the pull of the Lakers. [B]You can't be certain about anything, except that op is a deranged psychopath. That is certain.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is a good point.

[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14972322]OP and trump are the biggest whiners/snowflakes on the planet :roll:

They both cry about "fraud" because there are PERMANTELY in their feelings and triggered.[/QUOTE]


Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972329]Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/c1/d1/43c1d19857e97bf8820597cc9611a002.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.insider.com/5f65224357b7da001ee1296a?width=700[/IMG]

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972329]Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much[/QUOTE]

:cry::cry::cry:

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972331][IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/c1/d1/43c1d19857e97bf8820597cc9611a002.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.insider.com/5f65224357b7da001ee1296a?width=700[/IMG][/QUOTE]


I listed [U]prime[/U] AD and 2 dozen role player acquisitions, while you listed fossils and a couple transactions - it wasn't wasn't a league-wide conspiracy ship dozens of players over a 5-year period

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972329]Answer the thread title question - who else gets this level of transaction activity with GM's around the league willing to deal and ship all their good players?

Why can't Jokic get some nice pickups to put him over the top - it wouldn't take much[/QUOTE]

Lol literally the first person you mentioned was Taureen Prince.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14972535]Lol literally the first person you mentioned was Taureen Prince.[/QUOTE]


He's a starter but was riding the Lakers bench... Ditto Dinwiddie, Wood, Westbrook and others.. This proves the Lakers are the most stacked team in the league.. They've had 5 times the transactional activity as any other team

.
[B]Free Throw Differential Rankings[/B]


[INDENT]2023

1. Lakers...... +5.8
2. Kings........ +2.1
3. Magic....... +1.9


2024

1. Lakers...... +6.1
2. Celtics...... +2.8
3. Heat......... +2.7


2025

1. Lakers...... +5.2
2. Kings........ +4.6
3. Heat......... +4.3

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/comments/1hp7egt/free_throw_differential_by_team_for_the_last_3/[/url][/INDENT]



CONCLUSIONS:

The NBA let Lebron choose an opposing franchise player to heist from their team, while also giving Lebron's team 3 times the FT differential as any other team, and 5 times the transactional activity to give Lebron a chance with every good player in the league... [I]Yet he's still a play-in team!!![/I]..

Accordingly, there's a mountain of proof that Lebron's ball-dominant skillset and chemistry underachieves rosters more than anyone ever, such as the most losses ever with preseason favorites, Finals teams and perennial play-in status with AD and the most active GM in the league.. Lebron also has bevies of losses with homecourt, all-star teammates and 1 or 2 seeds.. He's a joke and the biggest fraud in sports history that ruined the game - he turned it into a non-competitive league of team-ups, load management and easy-scoring beginner format/rules.

That boi never gonna run out of tears.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972545]He's a starter but was riding the Lakers bench... Ditto Dinwiddie, Wood, Westbrook and others.. This proves the Lakers are the most stacked team in the league.. They've had 5 times the transactional activity as any other team[/QUOTE]

There's no question the Lakers are a stacked team. Yet every time I point out the obvious, Bronie fluffers like RRR3 and 1987_Lakers go into a meltdown over it. :lol

The truth must really be painful.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972545][B]He's a starter but was riding the Lakers bench[/B]... Ditto Dinwiddie, Wood, Westbrook and others.. This proves the Lakers are the most stacked team in the league.. They've had 5 times the transactional activity as any other team[/QUOTE]

Incorrect.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972546].
[B]Free Throw Differential Rankings[/B]


[INDENT]2023

1. Lakers...... +5.8
2. Kings........ +2.1
3. Magic....... +1.9


2024

1. Lakers...... +6.1
2. Celtics...... +2.8
3. Heat......... +2.7


2025

1. Lakers...... +5.2
2. Kings........ +4.6
3. Heat......... +4.3

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/comments/1hp7egt/free_throw_differential_by_team_for_the_last_3/[/url][/INDENT]



CONCLUSIONS:

The NBA let Lebron choose an opposing franchise player to heist from their team, while also giving Lebron's team 3 times the FT differential as any other team, and 5 times the transactional activity to give Lebron a chance with every good player in the league... [I]Yet he's still a play-in team!!![/I]..

Accordingly, there's a mountain of proof that Lebron's ball-dominant skillset and chemistry underachieves rosters more than anyone ever, such as the most losses ever with preseason favorites, Finals teams and perennial play-in status with AD and the most active GM in the league.. Lebron also has bevies of losses with homecourt, all-star teammates and 1 or 2 seeds.. He's a joke and the biggest fraud in sports history that ruined the game - he turned it into a non-competitive league of team-ups, load management and easy-scoring beginner format/rules.[/QUOTE]

This is legit hard data most people here will ignore. LAs free throw differential was disgusting. The league blatantly tips the table for them just like they've done for many stars of the past.

Taureen Prince, Spencer Dinwiddie, Gabe Vincent, Jared Vanderbilt, Christian Wood, Andre Drummond, Cam Reddish, Russell Westbrook, D-Lo, Rui Hachimura, Dorian-Finney-Smith, Dennis Schroeder, Patrick Beverly, Malik Monk, Avery Bradley, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Alex Caruso, KCP, Danny Green and Montrezl Harrell (6MOY before joining Lakers)




[QUOTE=tpols;14972694]This is legit hard data most people here will ignore. LAs free throw differential was disgusting. The league blatantly tips the table for them

[B]just like they've done for many stars of the past.[/B]


[/QUOTE]


Provide examples - show me where the NBA gave a player 3 times the FT differential as any other team, and 5 times the transactional activity (above) that includes heists of opposing franchise players like AD.. Show me where that's happened before.

Smh... People just love the cumbaya stuff when the reality is that some guys get lucky or carried, and/or are frauds - this [I]does[/I] exist and it does happen, so we don't need to ignore or pretend that "everyone else got it too" - this perpetuates the fraud and continues to keep it hidden..

It's okay to be a man and stand up for what's right... That's lacking nowadays and now it's only the women that show strength (Michelle Obama and Pelosi for missing the events), while soy-boy and beta Barack Obama went to the events like a good ol' boy and joked around with his bestie Trump.

3ball is literally crying like a baby right now :roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3;14972720]3ball is literally crying like a baby right now :roll:[/QUOTE]


Not at all.. I'm smiling, amused and loving this stuff.. And also patiently waiting for tpols to get back to me and provide examples.. In the meantime, anyone else can jump in and provide examples too if they want.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972722]Not at all.. I'm smiling, amused and loving this stuff[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/c5/14/64c51437fdfacf16239bddb978140ed9.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972723][IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/c5/14/64c51437fdfacf16239bddb978140ed9.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Btw, I don't have a problem with Trump and supported him - I've always understood what he does and do the same thing in these forums all the time... But it hit me this morning like "why DIDN'T barack miss the inauguration?.. what's wrong with taking a stand after all the shit he talked?... he simply lacks the spine, and it hit me that the power boss women like Pelosi and Michelle are actually wearing the pants, smh lmao... The lack of true leaderships and spine is why Barack produced a watered-down "nothingburger" healthcare bill instead of the universal healthcare that he ran on, smh

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972722]Not at all.. I'm smiling, amused and loving this stuff.. And also patiently waiting for tpols to get back to me and provide examples.. In the meantime, anyone else can jump in and provide examples too if they want.[/QUOTE]

It existed back with your boy MJ too.

Why did Jordan get 67 free throws in the 1996 Finals and his perimeter adversary Gary Payton only got 26? Thyre both athletic aggressive all star guards with the ball in their hands a ton. Why such a huge discrepancy?

A million more examples like that...

Shaq became the MDE by offensive fouling people. And everybody applauded his destruction and ooh'ed and ahh'ed over it. Is what it is.

Mahomes Jordan Brady Kobe Shaq Lebron whoever... sports is mostly WWE. They market promote and facilitate who they want to win who can make them the most money. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=tpols;14972725]It existed back with your boy MJ too.

Why did Jordan get 67 free throws in the 1996 Finals and his perimeter adversary Gary Payton only got 26? Thyre both athletic aggressive all star guards with the ball in their hands a ton. Why such a huge discrepancy?

A million more examples like that...

Shaq became the MDE by offensive fouling people. And everybody applauded his destruction and ooh'ed and ahh'ed over it. Is what it is.

Mahomes Jordan Brady Kobe Shaq Lebron whoever... sports is mostly WWE. They market promote and facilitate who they want to win who can make them the most money. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]


It's hard to re-create a similar scenario but I'm going to try... Imagine that the Nuggets go on a tear and win 60 games this year and appear headed to dynasty status, and also that Wemby wins MVP and DPOY this year to match 88' Jordan... When the lottery-cast Spurs meet the juggernaut Nuggets in the playoffs, they will be big underdogs, but it won't be a foregone conclusion because people will want to see what goat individual season player (Wemby) is going to do... The Spurs' undermanned cast would be really trying to beat the Nuggets, due primarily to goat candidate Wemby.. This rejection of conceding loss in favor of a "pressure makes diamonds" approach, aka simply improving sufficiently enough to win would allow Wemby to take this [I]same cast[/I] to eventual obliteration of the Nuggets after 3 tries.

This is what Jordan faced in the 88' Playoffs.. The Bulls were actually trying to win that series against the Bad Boys rather than concede loss, and this "pressure makes diamonds" approach is why that same lottery cast sufficiently improved their chemistry to obliterate the Bad Boys after 3 tries - it took that long for a lottery cast to improve sufficiently to beat a dynasty.

TLDR: I think MJ did it the right way, but otherwise you're right about pro sports being WWE, like Magic teaming up with Kareem, Kobe/Shaq, and Lebron/whoever.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972724]:blah[/quote]
Kyle rittenhouse.

[QUOTE=tpols;14972725]

Why did Jordan get 67 free throws in the 1996 Finals and his perimeter adversary Gary Payton only got 26? [B]Thyre both athletic [/B]


[/quote]


^^^ I missed this the first time - who would ever compare Payton's athleticism to Jordan's??... They aren't even remotely close.. In addition to being a far better athlete, Jordan got more foul calls because he's the goat scorer and Payton is the #200, or whatever.

Btw, Payton got about 2 dunks all year in 1996, and we have the numbers for MJ (90), which was top 5% in the league... MJ was also voted by coaches and GM's in 1997 to have the quickest 1st step in the league... At 6'6", he easily blew by 5'11" guys from a stationary position, and going left.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972736]^^^ I missed this the first time - who would ever compared Payton's athleticism to Jordan's??... They aren't even remotely close.. In addition to being a far better athlete, Jordan got more foul calls because he's the goat scorer and Payton is the #200, or whatever.

Btw, Payton got about 2 dunks all year in 1996, and we have the numbers for MJ (90), which was top 5% in the league... MJ was also voted by GM's in 1997 to have the quickest 1st step in the league.[/QUOTE]
Why are you literally crying? It's not that serious. Dry those tears.

.
.
8 of 8 "DOMINANT CHAMPIONS" THAT AVERAGED 1 LOSS PER ROUND OR LESS (4 LOSSES MAX) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION FOR THAT PLAYOFF RUN:



[Indent]1. 2017 Warriors (16-1).............. DURANT

2. 2001 Lakers (15-1)................. SHAQ

3. 1999 Spurs (15-2).................. DUNCAN

4. 2024 Celtics (16-3)................ TATUM

5. 2023 Nuggets (16-4)............... JOKIC

6. 2007 Spurs (16-4).................. DUNCAN

7. 2002 Lakers (15-4).................. SHAQ

8. 1997 Bulls (15-4).................... JORDAN[/Indent]





4 0f 4 "DYNASTIES" THAT MOSTLY WON FOR A MATERIAL STRETCH OF 5+ YEARS (I.E. 3 IN 5) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION:



[INDENT]1. CHICAGO BULLS..................... JORDAN

2. LOS ANGELES LAKERS)............ SHAQ

3. SAN ANTONIO SPURS.............. DUNCAN

4. GSW WARRIORS..................... CURRY[/INDENT]



[I]^^^ 12 of 12 instances of dynasties or dominant champions (the best basketball) required bigs or jumpshooters at 1st option.[/I]

.
Thread Cliffs

Lebron is the only player that enjoys 3x the free throw disparity as any other team, and 5x the transaction activity, and also allowed to heist the opposing franchise player of his choice to team-up with.. And yet despite this stacked deck, play-in teams are produced due to the worst chemistry of all-time, aka bron-ball.

Lebron's skillset of high-scoring, point guard-style play, aka "ball-domination" entails a bunch of unassisted buckets that reduces teammates' assists while increasing their assisted rate or spot up role... By turning everyone into spot-up shooter, elite roster construction is impossible for high-scoring ball-dominators, so they cannot be 1st option for dynasties or dominant champions ("the best basketball"), as shown in the previous post above.

Since ball-dominators cannot produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can (bigs & jumpshooters), which puts Lebron and all ball-dominators outside of the top 10 all-time.. Specifically, anyone can select who they feel are the best jumpshooters and bigs in history and put them above all ball-dominators like Lebron.. So a hypothetical top 10 could be: MJ, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry, Jokic, Magic, Lebron, Oscar - that's a top 13 with ball-dominators bringing up the rear.

In addition to their inability to be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions), high-scoring ball-dominators make it harder to win titles in general by virtue of the aforementioned lowering of teammate assists and having low assist teams, versus the high-assist teams and ball movement associated with the average title team.. Ultimately, the suboptimal style of ball-dominators underachieves rosters the most, such as Lebron going 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-7 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt, while the GOAT standard is to never lose in any of these scenarios.

The 1987 Lakers & 1990 Pistons meet those qualifications and neither had a big or jumpshooter as first option.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14972744]The 1987 Lakers & 1990 Pistons meet those qualifications and neither had a big or jumpshooter as first option.[/QUOTE]


Worthy was the leading scorer for the dominant run in 1987, and I'll get to why Isiah doesn't matter either.

But for various statistical reasons that I'll get into, we're only talking about the dynasties and dominant champions since 1997 when possession-tracking began.. And since possession-tracking began, 12 of 12 dynasties or dominant champions required bigs or jumpshooters as 1st option (never ball-dominators).

The reason that we need possession-tracking is that the entire critique is of [I]high-scoring[/I] ball-dominators, since they have a [I]high volume[/I] of unassisted buckets that reduce everyone's assists while increasing their assisted rate or spot-up role.. By turning everyone into spot-up shooter, elite roster construction is impossible around a high-scoring ball-dominator, so they can't be the leading scorer for the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions)... This is why Isiah doesn't matter because he isn't a high-scoring ball-dominator - again, the critical problem with high-scoring ball-dominators is their high volume of unassisted buckets, which reduces everyone's assist and turns them into spot-up shooter, thus preventing elite roster construction - this flow of logic requires the assisted rates (possession data), so we know whose scoring is unassisted by teammates (low assisted rates, aka ball-dominator), versus the higher assisted rates of bigs and jumpshooters (the 1st option for every dynasty or dominant champions).

With the assisted rate data, we can segment the players into player-types based on their assisted rates... i.e. everyone with a career assisted rate below 40% is a ball-dominator like Lebron, Luka, Tim Hardaway, Iverson, etc and the high-scoring ones are never the 1st option for dynasties or dominant champions, while all bigs and jumpshooters have career assisted rates above 40% (1st option for 12 of 12 dynasties or dominant champions).

3ball is it true you make the nurses at the senior home you live at check under the bed for LeBron every night?

[QUOTE=RRR3;14972752]3ball is it true you make the nurses at the senior home you live at check under the bed for LeBron every night?[/QUOTE]


A long time ago, everyone laughed when i said that ball-domination was bad, and now we have enough historical data to show that it is - it produces lower-assist teams, weaker chemistry and it's never been 1st option for the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion), aka 0 for 12.. let me know if you need detail on any of this

[QUOTE=RRR3;14972752]3ball is it true you make the nurses at the senior home you live at check under the bed for LeBron every night?[/QUOTE]
Lmao.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972754]A long time ago, everyone laughed when i said that ball-domination was bad, and now we have enough historical data to show that it is - it produces lower-assist teams, weaker chemistry and it's never been 1st option for the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion), aka 0 for 12.. let me know if you need detail on any of this[/QUOTE]
So yes? You make them check under the bed for LeBron? Nightly?

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972750]Worthy was the leading scorer for the dominant run in 1987, and I'll get to why Isiah doesn't matter either.[/QUOTE]
Dominant run was a gimme for LA in the 1987 postseason. The first 3 rounds their opponents were a combined 10gms under .500.

From 1980 to 1990 they were the #1 seed in the West every year except for 1981.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14972754]A long time ago, everyone laughed when i said that ball-domination was bad, and now we have enough historical data to show that it is - it produces lower-assist teams, weaker chemistry and it's never been 1st option for the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion), aka 0 for 12.. let me know if you need detail on any of this[/QUOTE]

On the contrary all you've really proven with your 1000s of posts is that ball dominance in the hands of a proper operator yields a goat candidate worth 15 plus years of debate with a guy i never thought could be touched in my lifetime.