80 - Dr J
81 - Dr J
82 - Dr J
83 - Bird
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Jordan
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Robinson
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Jordan
99 - Iverson
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80 - Dr J
81 - Dr J
82 - Dr J
83 - Bird
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Jordan
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Robinson
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Jordan
99 - Iverson
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979410]80 - Dr J
81 - Dr J
82 - Dr J
83 - Bird
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Jordan
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Robinson
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Jordan
99 - Iverson[/QUOTE]
Starting in 87...
I'd give 87 to Magic. That was the best season of his career. MJ was a force of nature but Magic was just as dominant while also pushing his team to 65 wins (and the eventual championship). Magic's experience and leadership combined with such a dominant season are what puts him over the top.
88 MJ - Similar to the year before but Magic slipped just enough to not keep up with that force of nature in Chicago.
89 MJ
90 MJ
91 MJ
92 MJ
93 Olajuwon This is close. I can't complain about any of the top 3 (Barkley, Olajuwon, MJ) winning it but it's near impossible for me to choose between Olajuwon and MJ. Olajuwon led the league in blocks. MJ led the league in steals. Both were excellent two way players. Olajuwon won the DPOY and led his team to 10 more wins than the year before. MJ increased his average by 2.5 points to pick up the slack while his teammates were pacing themselves after 2 championships and Olympic play. And they still won 57 games. I can't think of another season that's closer than this one. The DPOY makes the difference.
94 Olajuwon
95 Robinson
96 MJ
97 MJ
98 MJ Same as 1987. Malone had a great season but MJ's experience and leadership pushing his team to 62 wins despite missing Pippen for 38 games is huge. But I can't complain that Malone won it.
99 Malone
[QUOTE=Da_Realist;14979556]Starting in 87...
I'd give 87 to Magic. That was the best season of his career. MJ was a force of nature but Magic was just as dominant while also pushing his team to 65 wins (and the eventual championship). Magic's experience and leadership combined with such a dominant season are what puts him over the top.
88 MJ - Similar to the year before but Magic slipped just enough to not keep up with that force of nature in Chicago.
89 MJ
90 MJ
91 MJ
92 MJ
93 Olajuwon This is close. I can't complain about any of the top 3 (Barkley, Olajuwon, MJ) winning it but it's near impossible for me to choose between Olajuwon and MJ. Olajuwon led the league in blocks. MJ led the league in steals. Both were excellent two way players. Olajuwon won the DPOY and led his team to 10 more wins than the year before. MJ increased his average by 2.5 points to pick up the slack while his teammates were pacing themselves after 2 championships and Olympic play. And they still won 57 games. I can't think of another season that's closer than this one. The DPOY makes the difference.
94 Olajuwon
95 Robinson
96 MJ
97 MJ
98 MJ Same as 1987. Malone had a great season but MJ's experience and leadership pushing his team to 62 wins despite missing Pippen for 38 games is huge. But I can't complain that Malone won it.
99 Malone[/QUOTE]
87 I think MJ just performed so much better than everyone else it's not close at all. My #2 for this year would be Bird, not Magic.
93 Again I think MJ was just so much better. But Olajuwon would be my distant #2 choice.
98 Malone was a veery close #2 but it's only because MJ got old and a lot worse...for his standard anyways.
99 My #2 pick would be Shaq. Malone would be #3.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979558][B]87 I think MJ just performed so much better than everyone else it's not close at all. My #2 for this year would be Bird, not Magic. [/B]
93 Again I think MJ was just so much better. But Olajuwon would be my distant #2 choice.
98 Malone was a veery close #2 but it's only because MJ got old and a lot worse...for his standard anyways.
99 My #2 pick would be Shaq. Malone would be #3.[/QUOTE]
You do know this is shit no one at the time was thinking? :lol
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14979560]You do know this is shit no one at the time was thinking? :lol[/QUOTE]
Surely some thought that. I don't think it's even controversial at all.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979564]Surely some thought that. I don't think it's even controversial at all.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
Magic received 65 first place votes.
Jordan received... 10.
Bird received... 1.
Your post reminds me of people who way after the fact suggest something completly different and act like that was even remotely happening at the time.
like people discrediting 2017 Westbrook. "How did Russ win?!" Cause he was the most valuable player that year. Simples.
These votes are just for regular season as MVP is.
80 - Kareem
81 - Dr J
82 - Moses
83 - Moses
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Malone
99 - Duncan
Dr J over Kareem and Moses in 1980 and 1982 is a reach OP. As is Bird over Moses in 1983. As is Robinson over Hakeem in 1994.
I also see Magic > MJ in 1987 (just 40 wins) and Malone > MJ in 1998 although that one is close because Pippen missed a lot of games and MJ kept them afloat.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14979577]Nope.
Magic received 65 first place votes.
Jordan received... 10.
Bird received... 1.
Your post reminds me of people who way after the fact suggest something completly different and act like that was even remotely happening at the time.
like people discrediting 2017 Westbrook. "How did Russ win?!" Cause he was the most valuable player that year. Simples.[/QUOTE]
Well that's cause the team only won 40 games. But surely at the time many people already thought Jordan was better than Bird and Magic.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14979581]These votes are just for regular season as MVP is.
80 - Kareem
81 - Dr J
82 - Moses
83 - Moses
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Magic
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Malone
99 - Duncan
Dr J over Kareem and Moses in 1980 and 1982 is a reach OP. As is Bird over Moses in 1983. As is Robinson over Hakeem in 1994.
I also see Magic > MJ in 1987 (just 40 wins) and Malone > MJ in 1998 although that one is close because Pippen missed a lot of games and MJ kept them afloat.[/QUOTE]
Dr J was top 3 in MVP so I don't think it's that outlandish. I do think he deserved the MVPs in those years.
1994 though, I think Robinson was clearly better. Not close.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979588]Dr J was top 3 in MVP so I don't think it's that outlandish. I do think he deserved the MVPs in those years.
1994 though, I think Robinson was clearly better. Not close.[/QUOTE]
Top 3 is different than finishing above Kareem and Moses in one of their best years.
And why is Robinson clearly better than Hakeem in 1994? Not to mention the Rockets won more games than the Spurs.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14979601]Top 3 is different than finishing above Kareem and Moses in one of their best years.
And why is Robinson clearly better than Hakeem in 1994? Not to mention the Rockets won more games than the Spurs.[/QUOTE]
His production in the regular season was clearly better, but he's obv a fool if he's implying Robinson was clearly a better player. No chance Robinson duplicates Hakeem's playoff run that year.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979410]80 - Dr J
81 - Dr J
82 - Dr J
83 - Bird
84 - Bird
85 - Bird
86 - Bird
87 - Jordan
88 - Jordan
89 - Jordan
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Robinson
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Jordan
99 - Iverson[/QUOTE]
Was the OP dropped on his head as a child?
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14979609]His production in the regular season was clearly better, but he's obv a fool if he's implying Robinson was clearly a better player. No chance Robinson duplicates Hakeem's playoff run that year.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the RS. I don't think clearly better is fair. Hakeem had a historic defensive year.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14979620]I was talking about the RS. I don't think clearly better is fair. Hakeem had a historic defensive year.[/QUOTE]
I was talking strictly production, just statistically, it's pretty indisputable Robinson had a better regular season than Hakeem both in averages and advanced metrics, that was a legitimately ATG regular season by him.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14979621]I was talking strictly production, just statistically, it's pretty indisputable Robinson had a better regular season than Hakeem both in averages and advanced metrics, that was a legitimately ATG regular season by him.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Although I think Robinson had the clearly better RS in 1995 but not in 1994. In 1994, Hakeem was the better defender and led the Rockets to more wins so it's close. Come to think of it, 1994 is one of the closest races.
You can't slide a sheet of paper between Olajuwon and Robinson in either 94 or 95 production-wise. The difference for Olajuwon in 94 was that he won DPOY along with a few more wins. And even that was by one vote over David Robinson. In 95, Robinson powered his team to 62 wins while Houston only won 47.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979585]Well that's cause the team only won 40 games. But surely at the time many people already thought Jordan was better than Bird and Magic.[/QUOTE]
Debatable. But this is about the MVP. And you also took Bird ahead of Magic, you took 1 1st place vote over 65.
Its likely you dont happen to see something that they didnt.
[QUOTE=dankok8;14979620]I was talking about the RS. I don't think clearly better is fair. Hakeem had a historic defensive year.[/QUOTE]
Me too. If playoff then it's clear Hakeem destroyed Robinson that season. RS tho, I think Robinson's clearly better.
[QUOTE=Da_Realist;14979648]You can't slide a sheet of paper between Olajuwon and Robinson in either 94 or 95 production-wise. The difference for Olajuwon in 94 was that he won DPOY along with a few more wins. And even that was by one vote over David Robinson. In 95, Robinson powered his team to 62 wins while Houston only won 47.[/QUOTE]
Robinson had the much worse team in '94. By 95, they added Sean Elliot and Avery Johnson back which was better than anyone they had in '94. It's not "Robinson powered his team to 62 wins." He was better in '94 than in '95.
[QUOTE=iamgine;14979680]Robinson had the much worse team in '94. By 95, they added Sean Elliot and Avery Johnson back which was better than anyone they had in '94. It's not "Robinson powered his team to 62 wins." He was better in '94 than in '95.[/QUOTE]
He might have been better in 94 than 95, but he wasn't clearly better than Olajuwon in either 94 or 95.
At least not in the regular season, which is the only time period that matters. However, the playoffs serve as a way to vindicate who we thought was the better player in the regular season. In 94, Olajuwon was vindicated by leading his team to a championship while Robinson lost in the first round in 4 games. We know what happened in 95. Robinson deserved his MVP in 95 even though he had his a$$ handed to him in the playoffs that season. But Olajuwon certainly doesn't deserve any criticism for 94 seeing how he vindicated not only his MVP but his DPOY.
[QUOTE=Da_Realist;14979701]He might have been better in 94 than 95, but he wasn't clearly better than Olajuwon in either 94 or 95.
At least not in the regular season, which is the only time period that matters. However, the playoffs serve as a way to vindicate who we thought was the better player in the regular season. In 94, Olajuwon was vindicated by leading his team to a championship while Robinson lost in the first round in 4 games. We know what happened in 95. Robinson deserved his MVP in 95 even though he had his a$$ handed to him in the playoffs that season. But Olajuwon certainly doesn't deserve any criticism for 94 seeing how he vindicated not only his MVP but his DPOY.[/QUOTE]
To me he clearly performed much better in 94 and better in 95.
It's not a critic towards Olajuwon though.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14979577]
like people discrediting 2017 Westbrook. "How did Russ win?!" Cause he was the most valuable player that year. Simples.[/QUOTE]
Russ won for three reasons...the first one being the team Russ played for gave him the rebounding numbers to get the triple doubles. Adams doesn't care about stats so often he would just let Russ get the gimmies. The second reason was new media members wanted to stick it to KD and make a story/rivalry by supporting Westbrook and Harden as MVP guys. And the third tier was Jordan old head cultists that didn't want Lebron to get number 5, similar to how Kareem cultists didn't want Jordan to get 6.
In hindsight the MVP's should have gone...
79/80 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
80/81 - Julius Erving
81/82 - George Gervin
82/83 - Moses Malone
83/84 - Larry Bird
84/85 - Alex English
85/86 - Larry Bird
86/87 - Michael Jordan
88/89 - John Stockton
89/90 - Magic Johnson
90/91 - Michael Jordan
91/92 - Michael Jordan
92/93 - Charles Barkley
93/94 - Shaquille O'Neal
94/95 - David Robinson
95/96 - Michael Jordan
96/97 - Grant Hill
97/98 - Karl Malone
98/99 -Tim Duncan