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He's hobbled/injured once again come playoff time. That makes 3 of his last 4 playoffs where he is probably playing at 70% (2021, 2023, 2025).
Whatever happens this year, he should tell everyone in the offseason that next year will be his last so the Lakers can properly account for that.
Lebron's been out of his prime for years, but he's getting close to being truly washed with all of the nagging ankle, foot, back, and goin injuries.
He's likely making AllNBA if he plays enough games so your take is nuts. He likely should take load management to the next level where he intentionally takes 30 games off but if you're a top 15 player getting 50 mil c playing with a possible top 5 player and a team that just needs a few good moves to be a top contender why leave?
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14992013]He's likely making AllNBA if he plays enough games so your take is nuts. He likely should take load management to the next level where he intentionally takes 30 games off but if you're a top 15 player getting 50 mil c playing with a possible to 5 player and a team that just needs a few Go9d moves to be a top contender why leave?[/QUOTE]
Cause it's time bro. No one wants to see Lebron go down the Kawhi Leonard path of playing only 40-50 games. Lebron's bigger than that, much bigger. If he can't be a superstar all year AND be healthy come playoff time, then it's time for him to hang it up. I mean...next year will be season 23...it's not hard to make the argument that's it time to retire after 23 seasons.
It's weird how people don't realize how hard it is to make 50 million dollars.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14992017]It's weird how people don't realize how hard it is to make 50 million dollars.[/QUOTE]
Come on man...he doesn't need the money nor does he need to lower his legacy by going the "kawhi" route. Either he's a healthy superstar all year or he's retired. We don't want the "wizards MJ" version of Lebron or the "post-achillies Kobe injury" version either" Theoretically having Luka on the team should help Lebron stay healthier next year, but these groin injuries and other nagging injuries can pop up any time.
Lebron and the Lakers should retool for next year and give it one final push.
He's averaging something like 24, 8 and 8. No one with any sense would say he's anything short of incredible for his age. He iseither the best or second-best player on a team with legit championship aspirations. And he's making 50 million dollars.
No, a guy does not need to retire just because he's no longer in the MVP conversation.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14992024]He's averaging something like 24, 8 and 8. No one with any sense would say he's anything short of incredible for his age. He iseither the best or second-best player on a team with legit championship aspirations. And he's making 50 million dollars.
No, a guy does not need to retire just because he's no longer in the MVP conversation.[/QUOTE]
My main point in the OP is Lebron can't stay healthy. It doesn't matter what he does in the regular season because he can't make it to the playoffs healthy. He just messed up his groin again in the Rockets game. He's had one healthy postseason since 2020, which was last year, and that was a first round exit.
It's just time for the guy to hang things up soon, ideally at the end of next year. At this point in Lebron's career, who cares if he is a 2nd or 3rd team all-nba player and then gets hurt come playoff time. It just doesn't do anything for Lebron's legacy anymore and he's legit getting worse as a player every single year.
I clearly have higher expectations for Lebron Raymone James than you do.
OP can't STAND the fact that LeBron is still elite. "Make it stop he! :cry:" he says
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992011][B]He's hobbled/injured once again come playoff time[/B]. That makes 3 of his last 4 playoffs where he is probably playing at 70% (2021, 2023, 2025).
Whatever happens this year, he should tell everyone in the offseason that next year will be his last so the Lakers can properly account for that.
Lebron's been out of his prime for years, but he's getting close to being truly washed with all of the nagging ankle, foot, back, and goin injuries.[/QUOTE]
He is??
Gotta link to the alleged injury, chico?
I am a LeBron fan and I agree with you. He is number 1 in the all-time scoring list, top 3-5 all-time, his legacy is well-cemented. Just take a break, go off to the Caribbean and enjoy life and family. And when you fancy come back and become the GM or CEO of an NBA team. No need for such troubel at his age.
The guy's still producing at an All-NBA level and has the potential to win another title, and you want him to retire?
Absolutely retarded :lol
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14992044]The guy's still producing at an All-NBA level and has the potential to win another title, and you want him to retire?
Absolutely retarded :lol[/QUOTE]
He isn't winning another title. You know it and I know it.
[QUOTE=pandiani17;14992046]He isn't winning another title. You know it and I know it.[/QUOTE]
He still has a plausible chance, the Lakers are a flawed team, but LeBron & Luka in a series are capable of taking out almost anybody.
The guy can be retired the rest of his life, he has only so many years left he can still produce at this level. I'll repeat it again, saying he should retire when he can still ball and is on a contender is retarded.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992011]He's hobbled/injured once again come playoff time. That makes 3 of his last 4 playoffs where he is probably playing at 70% (2021, 2023, 2025).
Whatever happens this year, he should tell everyone in the offseason that next year will be his last so the Lakers can properly account for that.
Lebron's been out of his prime for years, but he's getting close to being truly washed with all of the nagging ankle, foot, back, and goin injuries.[/QUOTE]
dude if you can make 25 mil+ and continue to build your resume, why wouldn't you keep playing? I would. Brons life is gonna hit him hard as **** when he does retire. He's old, his son is trash, etc...
-Smak
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14992039]He is??
Gotta link to the alleged injury, chico?[/QUOTE]
He legit had to leave the Rockets game yesterday early, looked like his groin issue flared up again.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14992044]The guy's still producing at an All-NBA level and has the potential to win another title, and you want him to retire?
Absolutely retarded :lol[/QUOTE]
No one cares about Lebron making a 3rd team all-nba but then being hurt come playoff time. He keeps getting hurt every damn year and isn't close to healthy when the playoffs start.
All you guys frankly have low ass standards for Lebron nowadays.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992090]No one cares about Lebron making a 3rd team all-nba but then being hurt come playoff time. He keeps getting hurt every damn year and isn't close to healthy when the playoffs start.
All you guys frankly have low ass standards for Lebron nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Low ass standards? He's FORTY years old, the fact he's still this good at his age after logging 70,000 minutes is insane. What is your honest expectation here, that he should still be MVP caliber?
I honestly don't even remember him being injured in last years playoffs. If he was, averaging 28/8/9 on 64%TS as an injured 39 year old is a GOAT tier accomplishment.
Just being honest, I don't think you've thought this argument through, it seems to be emotionally based off him leaving a game early.
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[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992089]He legit had to leave the Rockets game yesterday early, looked like his groin issue flared up again.[/QUOTE]
It's since been reported that JJ said ge is fine while you're reporting that he's injured and only 70%.
Who should we believe?
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14992093]Low ass standards? He's FORTY years old, the fact he's still this good at his age after logging 70,000 minutes is insane. What is your honest expectation here, that he should still be MVP caliber?
I honestly don't even remember him being injured in last years playoffs. If he was, averaging 28/8/9 on 64%TS as an injured 39 year old is a GOAT tier accomplishment.
Just being honest, I don't think you've thought this argument through, it seems to be emotionally based off him leaving a game early.[/QUOTE]
OP is the buzzfeed of ish.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14992024]He's averaging something like 24, 8 and 8. No one with any sense would say he's anything short of incredible for his age. He iseither the best or second-best player on a team with legit championship aspirations. And he's making 50 million dollars.
No, a guy does not need to retire just because he's no longer in the MVP conversation.[/QUOTE]
You can't only go by the basic stats. What is his plus minus?
He won't because he's still an All NBA level player, but OP isn't wrong about how injury prone LeBron has been as a Laker. This is his 7th season with them and only 2 of those seasons actually featured a healthy LeBron - 2020 and 2024. Every other season he missed a lot of games and was never remotely healthy going into the playoffs.
This was never a game for old dudes logging heavy minutes.
[QUOTE=Walk on Water;14992120]You can't only go by the basic stats. What is his plus minus?[/QUOTE]
**** you, give or take.
He's going to play in the league until he's 80.
[QUOTE=Axe;14992126]He's going to play in the league until he's 80.[/QUOTE]
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I mean...he's got a shot at Giannis and Bryce in what 2 seasons, Lebron is just going to hand around until he's get chip 5 with his boys
If he gets five, then he'll be three tiers above kobe. :roll:
[QUOTE=Axe;14992126]He's going to play in the league until he's 80.[/QUOTE]
Wow, what an incredibly intelligent post.
:lol Idiot.
His actual value for the Lakers is better than its been in years.
With Luka and Reaves taking over, he does a lot more small stuff that matters, rebounding and even playing defense. This is the best defensive season I've seen since 2015.
I think he should stick around as long as he can score 20ppg on good efficiency.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992011]He's hobbled/injured once again come playoff time. That makes 3 of his last 4 playoffs where he is probably playing at 70% (2021, 2023, 2025).
Whatever happens this year, he should tell everyone in the offseason that next year will be his last so the Lakers can properly account for that.
Lebron's been out of his prime for years, but he's getting close to being truly washed with all of the nagging ankle, foot, back, and goin injuries.[/QUOTE]
He's 40 years old man, he's never going to be 100% again, BUT he's way better than anyone's been at this point in their careers so why should he retire when he's still All-NBA? He wants to get 5 rings like Kobe or possibly 6 like MJ so he could have a strong case for GOAT.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14992125]**** you, give or take.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with bringing up his plus minus stats?
You even think lebron might be the best player on the team?
Austin Reeves >>>
[QUOTE=LAL;14992155]What's wrong with bringing up his plus minus stats?
You even think lebron might be the best player on the team?
Austin Reeves >>>[/QUOTE]
**** you, give or take.
[QUOTE=LAL;14992155]What's wrong with bringing up his plus minus stats?
You even think lebron might be the best player on the team?
Austin Reeves >>>>>>> Kobe [/QUOTE]
I agree
[QUOTE=LAL;14992155]What's wrong with bringing up his plus minus stats?
You even think lebron might be the best player on the team?
Austin Reeves >>>[/QUOTE]
Drink responsibly.
The people who want to use plus minus are the same doofuses that haven't the slightest how the numbers work, what they mean, or even what changes to a team may impact them. Aka a grown folk stat being played with at the kid table. Careful nineir...LAL you might poke your eye out with that thing.
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Bron's gonna opt out and sign for the vet min. Luka's on a cheap deal and isn't elligible for a supermax. Bron got a chance at a free ring if he LeGM's properly.
As long as he has the drive to play and be competitive and he's not hurting the game or team he should continue to play if he wants too. He's still a Top 10 or Top 15 player in the league.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14992093]Low ass standards? He's FORTY years old, the fact he's still this good at his age after logging 70,000 minutes is insane. What is your honest expectation here, that he should still be MVP caliber?
I honestly don't even remember him being injured in last years playoffs. If he was, averaging 28/8/9 on 64%TS as an injured 39 year old is a GOAT tier accomplishment.
Just being honest, I don't think you've thought this argument through, it seems to be emotionally based off him leaving a game early.[/QUOTE]
Read the damn OP dude. I saw 2021, 2023, and now this year - 2025. He was healthy in 2024.
Also him being 40 is exactly my ****ing point too. I'm sick of the "he's good for his age" talk. None of that matters if he keeps getting hurt before the playoffs, it's clear he can't make it through the full season at an all-nba level and stay healthy.
Sooo, he needs retire soon. Honestly if Lebron tells the Lakers that next year is his last, then the FO will do everything they can to bring in talent AND Luka and company will be highly motivated to win.
Lebron can play 2-3 more years if he moves to PF. He is pretty good now at that. Decent fadeaway, some good baseline drives, catch and shoot 3s, very good at kickouts. This is essentially how he would have played in the 90s, with some Barkley or Pippen like ball handling on the break.
[QUOTE=Indian guy;14992123]He won't because he's still an All NBA level player, but OP isn't wrong about how injury prone LeBron has been as a Laker. This is his 7th season with them and only 2 of those seasons actually featured a healthy LeBron - 2020 and 2024. Every other season he missed a lot of games and was never remotely healthy going into the playoffs.
This was never a game for old dudes logging heavy minutes.[/QUOTE]
Wow thank you, one poster with a grip on reality.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;14992322]Read the damn OP dude. I saw 2021, 2023, and now this year - 2025. He was healthy in 2024.
Also him being 40 is exactly my ****ing point too. I'm sick of the "he's good for his age" talk. None of that matters if he keeps getting hurt before the playoffs, it's clear he can't make it through the full season at an all-nba level and stay healthy.
Sooo, he needs retire soon. Honestly if Lebron tells the Lakers that next year is his last, then the FO will do everything they can to bring in talent AND Luka and company will be highly motivated to win.[/QUOTE]
MELTDOWN :roll: :roll: :roll: