israel supporters - i have a bridge to sell you.

[QUOTE][B]Benjamin Netanyahu has made it clear: His decision to allow a minuscule amount of aid to enter Gaza is a tactical one aimed at quieting international condemnation of Israel’s forced starvation of Gaza and to clear the path of a final solution imposed on the Palestinians of Gaza.[/B]

[B]"We're going to take control of all the Gaza Strip,” Netanyahu vowed Monday in a video released by his office announcing that Israel would begin delivering “minimal humanitarian aid: food and medicine only.” Netanyahu claimed that international pressure, including from pro-Israel Republican senators and the White House, required the appearance of humanitarian intervention. "Our best friends in the world—senators I know as strong supporters of Israel—have warned that they cannot support us if images of mass starvation emerge," he said. “They come to me and say, ‘We’ll give you all the help you need to win the war… but we can’t be receiving pictures of famine,’” Netanyahu added. To continue the war of annihilation, he asserted, “We need to do it in a way that they won't stop us.”[/B]

[B]Netanyahu’s coalitional ally Bezalel Smotrich—an extreme right-wing government minister and longtime advocate of starving, mass killing, and depopulating Gaza—endorsed Netanyahu’s move. Smotrich said the aid scheme would allow “our friends in the world to continue to provide us with an international umbrella of protection against the Security Council and the Hague Tribunal, and for us to continue to fight, God willing, until victory.”[/B]

In what he described as an emergency press conference to address criticism from his own base, Smotrich laid out the Netanyahu government’s genocidal agenda and explained why the appearance of allowing aid is necessary on a strategic level. “The [aid] that will enter Gaza in the coming days is the tiniest amount. A handful of bakeries that will hand out pita bread to people in public kitchens. People in Gaza will get a pita and a food plate, and that's it. Exactly what we are seeing in the videos: people standing in line and waiting to have someone serve them, with some soup plate,” Smotrich said.

[B][U]“Truth be told, until the last of the hostages returns, we should also not let water into the Gaza Strip.[/U][/B] But the reality is that if we do that, the world will force us to halt the war immediately, and to lose. It would be winning the battle, and losing the war. I'm committed to winning the war,” Smotrich declared.[B] “We are disassembling Gaza, and leaving it as piles of rubble, with total destruction [which has] no precedent globally. And the world isn't stopping us. There are pressures. There are those who attack [us]; they are trying to [make us] stop; they are not succeeding. You know why they aren't succeeding? Because we are navigating [the campaign] responsibly and wisely, and that's how we'll continue to do [it]."[/B]

[U][B]Smotrich said that the Israeli forces are initiating a campaign to force Palestinians into the south of Gaza “and from there, God willing, to third countries, as part of President Trump's plan. This is a change of the course of history—nothing less.”[/B][/U]

In recent days, Trump has resumed promoting the threat he first floated on February 4 when Netanyahu visited him at the White House: that the U.S. would seize Gaza and create a Middle East Riviera. “I think I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone,” Trump said Thursday, an assertion he repeated over the weekend in an interview with FOX News. “Gaza is a nasty place. It's been that way for years. I think it should become a free zone, you know, freedom, I call it a freedom zone,” Trump told host Bret Baier.

On Sunday, Netanyahu said that allowing “a basic amount of food” to enter Gaza was pursued out of “the operational need to enable the expansion of the intense fighting to defeat Hamas.” He said that Israel would resume limited aid deliveries on an interim basis starting approximately a week ahead of a longer term aid plan that would circumvent the UN and other international agencies. The emerging Israeli policy offers enough food to Palestinians in Gaza to ward off international condemnation that could impact its war, while preparing to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza.

Netanyahu’s announcement comes amid renewed talks over a possible Gaza ceasefire and exchange of captives deal. Netanyahu has insisted he will not make any agreement that ends the war without the total elimination of Hamas and the demilitarization of the entire Gaza Strip. Hamas has said it will not release any more Israeli captives held in Gaza unless an internationally certified deal is reached that includes the total withdrawal of Israeli forces and a long-term truce.





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if you have a triple digit iq and can't put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself at this stage of the game, i have a bridge to sell you. you're [B]voluntarily[/B] being manipulated and fooled. if you can't see this for what is, the wartime propaganda has done it's job on you. i find it absolutely fascinating how people allow themselves to be brainwashed and fooled but only when it suits their interests to do so. they can see through the bullshit on everything else as long as it suits their narrative though. humans are a funny bunch in that regard.

the [B]only[/B] way that israel feels they'll have security is if they drive these people out of their land. pretty simple concept - elementary problem solving there. you can get that far i hope unless you're completely braindead. so if that's not ethnic cleansing then i don't know what is. if it doesn't at least [B]skirt[/B] the definition or at the least make it deservable of a legitimate debate then i don't know what would. you don't have to agree or disagree with it but it should at least be entertained and not just dismissed out of hand.

"but hamas this" "but hamas that"... yeah, i understand where you're coming from. no, i genuinely do. but if you're on board with israel's ulterior motives then just come out with it and say it. you know what they're doing. this isn't just a war on hamas, it's a war against an entire people. it is what it is - if you can't see the forest for the trees then you're knowingly lying to yourself. those of you that are capable of rudimentary critical thinking anyway.

[video=youtube;qldd6BWj_Xw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldd6BWj_Xw[/video]



Charlie Kirk ain't gonna win this one... sorry Charlie... you're finally gonna have to take an L here.

should we like...go say hi to netanyahu?

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They are admitting it's a genocide at this point. Smotrich even admits to being a fascist, like if you're defending him you're so far gone.

Meanwhile rrr3: USA control Israel doe, anything else is antisemitism.

„God willing, until victory“ <jewish concept. Antisemitism according to the forums incel.

[video=youtube;E2LwmWq1VrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2LwmWq1VrI[/video]

[video=youtube;2ONFrm30CII]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ONFrm30CII[/video]

[video=youtube;OYMcP2LlCVQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMcP2LlCVQ[/video]

[video=youtube;1aa7O6QKjr8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aa7O6QKjr8[/video]

[video=youtube;54MI_mT1h0A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54MI_mT1h0A[/video]

[video=youtube;3TU16CTgOYc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TU16CTgOYc[/video]

Yikes...Bilzerian is a neo-Nazi.

Yeah when you link nutcases who just have a hate boner for Jews like Blizerian you just hurt the movement. By and large the Pro-Palestinian movement is not anti-Jewish, but when you link people who ARE, it really hurts the cause, so stop it. I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears, but I'll point it out at least. I legit don't think the government of Israel should exist, the whole territory should be Palestine (no I'm not saying to kill all the Jews living there but the government has to go), so please don't claim I'm a Zionist either diamenz when I've seen you argue for a two-state solution which is actually enabling Zionism to continue.

This is just going to become a "Jews bad" vs "Muslims bad" thread now, which is a shame because we really should be able to just hammer home how fascist Israel is and how ****ed it is our tax dollars go to support their genocide. Most people should be able to agree on that, even if they think Israel should exist. Because the current Israeli government is absolutely maniacal.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15007900]Yikes...Bilzerian is a neo-Nazi.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=RRR3;15007929]Yeah when you link nutcases who just have a hate boner for Jews like Blizerian you just hurt the movement. By and large the Pro-Palestinian movement is not anti-Jewish, but when you link people who ARE, it really hurts the cause, so stop it. I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears, but I'll point it out at least. I legit don't think the government of Israel should exist, the whole territory should be Palestine (no I'm not saying to kill all the Jews living there but the government has to go), so please don't claim I'm a Zionist either diamenz when I've seen you argue for a two-state solution which is actually enabling Zionism to continue.

This is just going to become a "Jews bad" vs "Muslims bad" thread now, which is a shame because we really should be able to just hammer home how fascist Israel is and how ****ed it is our tax dollars go to support their genocide. Most people should be able to agree on that, even if they think Israel should exist. Because the current Israeli government is absolutely maniacal.[/QUOTE]


aside from the third video in the first post, where even then dan is clearly taking issue with the [B]government[/B] of israel, what exactly did he say that isn't true?

most what he said can either be agreed with or at least acknowledged in an objective way - it's based on fact.

the reason i posted those videos (and there will be more to come because the content of what's being said shouldn't be surprising, shocking or controversial), is to demonstrate that it's not the left that's criticizing israel - it's america first figureheads on the right. ones that aren't afraid to speak out because they're not bought of or brainwashed (in some cases, willingly).

[video=youtube;ReNopEZhUHg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReNopEZhUHg[/video]

[video=youtube;XaCiduxldZQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaCiduxldZQ[/video]

[video=youtube;wHYJbqIiWKg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYJbqIiWKg[/video]

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008303]
[video=youtube;wHYJbqIiWKg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYJbqIiWKg[/video][/QUOTE]

[img]https://global.unitednations.entermediadb.net/assets/mediadb/services/module/asset/downloads/preset/assets/2012/09/15602/image1170x530cropped.jpg[/img]

I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.

In before anyone says "USA supports Israel". Well, I don't believe they should have a side in the conflict. National interests should be a nations only interests, not international.

[QUOTE=fsvr54;15008358]I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.

In before anyone says "USA supports Israel". Well, I don't believe they should have a side in the conflict. National interests should be a nations only interests, not international.[/QUOTE]
This dude consistently has some of the worst takes of anyone on the forum. They're often so stupid, I almost have to assume he's trolling.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15008403]This dude consistently has some of the worst takes of anyone on the forum. They're often so stupid, I almost have to assume he's trolling.[/QUOTE]

:lol

I’ve said this before about him. It’s one thing to troll and be funny or at least a little cheeky or whatever. It’s another to troll and be just completely unpleasant. Unless he’s not trolling and is just unpleasant.

Either way…2 thumbs down from me.

[QUOTE=fsvr54;15008358]I could give a F about Israel or Palestine. They can both burn in hell for what I care.

Caring about shit that has nothing to do with you, your country or your bloodline is the gheyest shit ever.
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Had to stop reading there! Does this dunce not know the USA supports Israel? What an idiot.

Does Hamas still have hostages?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008744]Does Hamas still have hostages?[/QUOTE]

What a pathetic attempt :roll:

Call what's happening in Gaza for what it is, a genocide...own it and say you're ok with it and accept all the implications on your character that goes with it. For your sake I hope you're not a God fearing man because Judgment Day will not be a good day for you.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008744]Does Hamas still have hostages?[/QUOTE]

is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you [B]actually[/B] believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and [B]choosing[/B] to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired [B]since[/B] oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. [B]you[/B] of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, [B]that's[/B] your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008777]is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you [B]actually[/B] believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and [B]choosing[/B] to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired [B]since[/B] oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. [B]you[/B] of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, [B]that's[/B] your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?[/QUOTE]

How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008803]How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.[/QUOTE]

Booooooo

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008803]How in the world do you believe the word of terrorists in Hamas over Israel?

The two posters above me are gullible as ****.[/QUOTE]

tell that to Marjorie taylor greene, tucker carlson, douglas macgregor, joe rogan, candace owens, tim dillon and all of the other maga's that have the ability to think for themselves.

i'm not *ucking with you anymore on this subject. i just want to make that clear and final. everything you post is petty. you don't make honest arguments. this place was a lot more productive and positive while you were gone.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008777]is that was israeli propaganda is still telling you? is that what israel-controlled us propaganda is still telling you? is that what you [B]actually[/B] believe (which i find hard to believe due to your ability to think for yourself, at least when it suits you to do so) or are turning a blind eye and [B]choosing[/B] to believe due to your bias or are you just using "hostages" as an easy-out, one-liner talking point excuse of an argument that in any honest argument can't be taken seriously due to everything that's transpired [B]since[/B] oct 7th? why don't you just throw "human shields" in there too and call it a day? were nearly two years into this war and you're arguing as if it's oct 8th. you're falling for war time propaganda hook, line and sinker. [B]you[/B] of all people. i'd expect that from a libtard, but not you brother.

but to just clarify, [B]that's[/B] your response to the op? that's what you're running with after what i outlined? it's mediocre, low effort at best. it's like you've missed the entire premise of the op.

i like to think if i have any chance of reaching anybody on this issue it's you. you're intelligent and you've demonstrated the ability to see things for what they really are on a plethora of other subjects. so why is this subject matter so much different?[/QUOTE]

I simply asked an honest question. There are still hostages being held, correct?

Is that not relevant? Would we be in this situation to begin with if they didn't take hostages?

Not looking to come down on either side, I'm simply asking an honest question.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008869]tell that to Marjorie taylor greene, tucker carlson, douglas macgregor, joe rogan, candace owens, tim dillon and all of the other maga's that have the ability to think for themselves.

i'm not *ucking with you anymore on this subject. i just want to make that clear and final. everything you post is petty. you don't make honest arguments. this place was a lot more productive and positive while you were gone.[/QUOTE]

A clear sign that you've lost the argument and can't face the noise is when you claim that what I'm writing is petty or beneath you.

I'm not joking when I say that a lot of you are neo-Nazis. You hate Jews.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008893]I simply asked an honest question. There are still hostages being held, correct?

Is that not relevant? Would we be in this situation to begin with if they didn't take hostages?

Not looking to come down on either side, I'm simply asking an honest question.[/QUOTE]

let me get this straight. your response to the premise of the entirety of the op is, "are there still hostages?" [B]that's[/B] what you've got to say? low effort bro, sorry.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008909]let me get this straight. your response to the premise of the entirety of the op is, "are there still hostages?" [B]that's[/B] what you've got to say? low effort bro, sorry.[/QUOTE]

Why can't you answer the question?

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008899]A clear sign that you've lost the argument and can't face the noise is when you claim that what I'm writing is petty or beneath you.

I'm not joking when I say that a lot of you are neo-Nazis. You hate Jews.[/QUOTE]

you literally created a thread, which was the easist *ucking thing in the world for me to condemn, called me out by name like a child would and you expect me to take you seriously after that? you too have missed the entire premise if this thread. if you can't see things for what they are, you're willingly blinded.

just say you're on board with it so i can respect your stance, both of you. but to pretend like you can't put the pieces of the puzzles together for yourselves shows just how much of a terrible problem solver you both are.

just say you're israel first. just *ucking say it and i'll respect it.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008910]Why can't you answer the question?[/QUOTE]

i don't create threads and answer questions.

address the op, then i'd be glad to.

for all the shit you talk here baller, i've gotta say. not impressed bro.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008913]i don't create threads and answer questions.

address the op, then i'd be glad to.[/QUOTE]

Well it seems to me that no matter which side you come down on, you're making a choice as to which lives matter more.

Yes it's sad and unfortunate that innocent people are being caught up in Israel's crossfire, but judging from your reluctance to answer my question, one could argue you're just as unsympathetic when it comes to the lives of the hostages. Do their lives not matter?

Why didn't they just give up the hostages back when this first started?

If you want to shame go ahead, but first I would like for you to answer that question.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008915]Well it seems to me that no matter which side you come down on, you're making a choice as to which lives matter more.

Yes it's sad and unfortunate that innocent people are being caught up in Israel's crossfire, but judging from your reluctance to answer my question, one could argue you're just as unsympathetic when it comes to the lives of the hostages. Do their lives not matter?

Why didn't they just give up the hostages back when this first started?

If you want to shame go ahead, but first I would like for you to answer that question.[/QUOTE]

i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you. netanyahu doesn't give a shit about those people. they're nothing but pawns in the game.

americans are blinded and propagandized because they pay zero attention to what goes on beyond their borders. people need to wake up and realize that our involvement in the ME is not in our interests.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008918]i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you.[/QUOTE]

Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008920]Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.[/QUOTE]

what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008922]what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?[/QUOTE]

Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008924]Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? [B]That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.[/B][/QUOTE]

yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008925]yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.[/QUOTE]

Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.

diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15008929]Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

[B]In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.[/B][/QUOTE]

"the jordan to the mediterranean" from [B]powerless[/B] libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008933]diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.[/QUOTE]

we've been over this chewing, time and time again.

[QUOTE=diamenz;15008938]"the jordan to the mediterranean" from [B]powerless[/B] libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.[/QUOTE]

So what, you think Trump is subservient to Israel?

That makes:

- Russia / Putin
- Israel / Netanyahu
- Elon Musk

All supposedly pulling Trump's puppet strings if you ask certain people.

I'm curious, to what degree is Trump obligated to Israel in your opinion? Is he a business partner? Is he being blackmailed?

Genuinely asking.