Nazis on ISH celebrate!
I really thought diamenz would beat me to making this thread, but then I remembered that the victims were Jewish.
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Nazis on ISH celebrate!
I really thought diamenz would beat me to making this thread, but then I remembered that the victims were Jewish.
don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15008222]don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.[/QUOTE]
Understatement of the year. The problem is, your side is aligned with these lunatics. When you keep accusing Israel and Jews of committing genocide amd when you accuse them of controlling the President and the country and when you stay quiet to blatant hateful antisemitism which calls for Jewish extermination, then of course you're going to get these lunatics that actually think they're doing something good and noble by taking an innocent life. In their mind, they've rationalized open murder. These are your people though. They're on your side. Only way to stop this behavior is to stop spreading lies and stop spreading hate. There are no Jewish protesters marching the streets across America right now. It's only lunatic pro-Palestinians.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008226]Understatement of the year. The problem is, your side is aligned with these lunatics. When you keep accusing Israel and Jews of committing genocide amd when you accuse them of controlling the President and the country and when you stay quiet to blatant hateful antisemitism which calls for Jewish extermination, then of course you're going to get these lunatics that actually think they're doing something good and noble by taking an innocent life. In their mind, they've rationalized open murder. These are your people though. They're on your side. Only way to stop this behavior is to stop spreading lies and stop spreading hate. There are no Jewish protesters marching the streets across America right now. It's only lunatic pro-Palestinians.[/QUOTE]
i never used the word genocide. don't conflate my individual stance on this subject with the majority of what you hear from the left just so you can have something to bark about.
look at your op. it's so *ucking petty. i shouldn't even be entertaining this.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15008229]i never used the word genocide. don't conflate my individual stance on this subject with the majority of what you hear from the left just so you can have something to bark about.
look at your op. it's so *ucking petty. i shouldn't even be entertaining this.[/QUOTE]
You never use the word genocide, but you've been arm in arm with those that do. All that does is affirm that psychotic behavior by those individuals to take matter into their own hands. I have no doubt that given the opportunity, we have at least one or two members on this site who are that far gone and radicalized that they would go out hunting Jews.
Moral of the story: Disassociate yourself from these psychopaths or at the very least condemn their hateful rhetoric.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008232]You never use the word genocide, but you've been arm in arm with those that do. All that does is affirm that psychotic behavior by those individuals to take matter into their own hands. I have no doubt that given the opportunity, [B]we have at least one or two members on this site who are that far gone and radicalized that they would go out hunting Jews.[/B]
Moral of the story: [B]Disassociate yourself from these psychopaths or at the very least condemn their hateful rhetoric.[/B][/QUOTE]
take that up with them then.
i'm not obligated to answer to you. i've made my stance on this subject quite clear for some time now. if you can't make that distinction then that's your cross to bear.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15008235]take that up with them then.
i'm not obligated to answer to you. i've made my stance on this subject quite clear for some time now. if you can't make that distinction then that's your cross to bear.[/QUOTE]
So you're okay with open murder and Jew hunting because I have to take it up with them, when these are people on your side that believe and support the same thing you do.
Honestly bro, I don't think you have remorse for dead Jews. The first response from you to this senseless act is "it's not a good look".
No wonder this board is a shell of its former self. Jeff has allowed trolls and anti-Semites to run wild while he, a Jew, is in hiding. As much as I defend Jews and their right to exist and their right to their ancient homeland, I cannot defend their cowardice.
sad news to hear. but what does this have to do with OP weighing [B][U][SIZE=7]400 POUNDS?[/SIZE][/U][/B]
[QUOTE=diamenz;15008222]don't be ridiculous - it's not a good look.[/QUOTE]
It's not a good look, and it's going to produce endless hours of propaganda content. Compare that to the landlord who stab that 6 year old to death, which got minimal coverage (I just looked him up, got 53 years, amazing that there was already a trial and I had no idea about it.) And the very compelling story of the guy who shot 2 Israelis tourists in Miami Beach, thinking they were Palestinians, with the shot Israelis posting, "Death to Arabs" before knowing the reason why they were shot. Under normal circumstances, that story is gold. (In the little coverage that it got, the media completely omitted, cropped out the death to Arab portion of the victim's post).
But things seem to be changing a bit, with the media kind of starting to not run as much Covid like cover for Israel, the past couple of weeks. Sky News for example is starting to call things out. Even the BBC. And that's why I say there's probably going to be no Israel in 50 years, because the Herculean effort that it requires to maintain, capturing governments, media, industries, censoring countries, while calling their neighbor's human animals, and doing things that disgust your average human, from random people in China, to random people in Paraguay, is not sustainable. Now in this era, they need to do that for the entire world, when so much information is readily available. If reporters are in a sense coerced into running cover for things that causes disgust in the average human, any slip up in that, loss of influence, that resentment is going to explode in the opposite direction. And I think that might happen in the future. That probably includes Trump too.
:facepalm
Terrible to hear.
Engaged young couple? Very sad.
Not engaged yet... said he was going to propose next week in Jerusalem.
Sad indeed.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008220]Nazis on ISH celebrate!
I really thought diamenz would beat me to making this thread, but then I remembered that the victims were Jewish.[/QUOTE]
No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg. Targetting people who aren't involved in the genocide is pointless and cruel, won't get any arguments from me here.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008311]No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008331]Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.[/QUOTE]
The person he killed was guilty of preying on the poor and sick and preventing people from getting lifesaving care. The people killed here were just random embassy workers who got unfairly targeted for the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies. Pretty different situations, one is a senseless act of violence and one is a response to violence already committed by Thompson. Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had. The reasoning this person had is just conflating them with the Israeli government perpetrators of the genocide, which is illogical as they were just embassy workers and not members of Netanyahu's inner circle. There are people in the Israeli government who are anti-Netanyahu for that matter as well.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008311]No one sane thinks killing random people is good dawg.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008352]Sure you can argue killing is wrong regardless and I think there's a decent argument for that for sure, but you can at least see the reasoning Mangione had.[/QUOTE]
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Killing is wrong regardless =/= Killing random people.
The first instance encompasses any killing, just or not.
There is no contradiction there.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008382]Killing is wrong regardless =/= Killing random people.
The first instance encompasses any killing, just or not.
There is no contradiction there.[/QUOTE]
Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.
You guys are straight up sociopaths.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008384]Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.
You guys are straight up sociopaths.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I've never seen so many people with the same belief system out there under one roof apparently. It's a complete disconnect from reality and from morality. It's scary.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008384]Hey Einstein, you can't say "killing is wrong" and then in your next breath say "well I can definitely see his reasoning...". If murdering a person is wrong then there is no justification to be had.
You guys are straight up sociopaths.[/QUOTE]
I'm not giving a personal opinion on the matter. I'm just saying there is no contradiction with what he said is all.
A rape victim, or the father of a rape victim, killing the rapist would still encompass "killing". But you could probably see the reasoning, no? Even if it's still wrong.
Killing randos is unequivocal and is a completely different level of evil.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008388]I'm not giving a personal opinion on the matter. I'm just saying there is no contradiction with what he said is all.
A rape victim, or the father of a rape victim, killing the rapist would still encompass "killing". But you could probably see the reasoning, no? Even if it's still wrong.
Killing randos is unequivocal and is a completely different level of evil.[/QUOTE]
Yes but when it comes to the father of a rape victim, I can at least cut that person some slack.
That's not the same as murdering an insurance CEO because you personally believe him to be a bad person. If that's the case where do you draw the line? Is the CEO of McDonalds a bad person? How many countless deaths are the result of eating too many double cheeseburgers?
Was the CEO guy a saint? Probably not. Did he deserve to be executed in the street? Definitely not. Once you cross that line you could start justifying the murder of practically anyone you feel is "indirectly" responsible for something bad. That's not good.
Not to mention there's a good chance this Luigi character was a hired gun and not some enraged victim, so the people defending him are even more out of bounds.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008331]Tell that to the millions of woke lefties around the world who idolize Luigi.[/QUOTE]
45,000 people die because of denied coverage every year. Which means in a generation 1,000,000 people die because of private equity interests in our health care system. The current Gaza death total is 53,000 which means more people died because of insurance bureaucracy than died in the Gaza/Israel war.
Because the right wing in this country is going after the people on insurance instead of the LLC's that defraud the system a million people are going to lose coverage so that number is going to go up.
Easy access to firearms, combined with a lack of mental health screenings, and an Insurance companies that are buoyed by private equity means you and everyone you love...so basically just you are vulnerable to getting shot like a dog in the street because of this.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008394]Yes but when it comes to the father of a rape victim, I can at least cut that person some slack.
That's not the same as murdering an insurance CEO because you personally believe him to be a bad person. If that's the case where do you draw the line? Is the CEO of McDonalds a bad person? How many countless deaths are the result of eating too many double cheeseburgers?
Was the CEO guy a saint? Probably not. Did he deserve to be executed in the street? Definitely not. Once you cross that line you could start justifying the murder of practically anyone you feel is "indirectly" responsible for something bad. That's not good.
Not to mention there's a good chance this Luigi character was a hired gun and not some enraged victim, so the people defending him are even more out of bounds.[/QUOTE]
Well therein lies the difference in your thinking. You don't believe or understand the UHC CEO's extreme negative impact. No, it's not the same as the CEO of a company that has people voluntarily decide to eat too much of their product. Denying healthcare coverage bankrupts people, and often even worse. And people insured have no control over this.
But that is all beside the point anyway, in that none of these scenarios deal with the murdering of random innocent people. Which is what happened in the case of this thread and is an incredibly horrible thing to do.
If 2 upsets fatso OP, I have bad news for him.
This is clearly a false flag:facepalm
[QUOTE=John8204;15008398]45,000 people die because of denied coverage every year. Which means in a generation 1,000,000 people die because of private equity interests in our health care system. The current Gaza death total is 53,000 which means more people died because of insurance bureaucracy than died in the Gaza/Israel war.
Because the right wing in this country is going after the people on insurance instead of the LLC's that defraud the system a million people are going to lose coverage so that number is going to go up.
Easy access to firearms, combined with a lack of mental health screenings, and an Insurance companies that are buoyed by private equity means you and everyone you love...so basically just you are vulnerable to getting shot like a dog in the street because of this.[/QUOTE]
Dude you have no idea why insurance companies deny coverage to certain people. You don't know the specifics, you don't know the reasoning. I highly doubt you did any serious research on the matter yourself. You just hear "denied coverage" and go into an emotional frenzy.
Yea, lets blame the right wing for the state of health insurance. Lol the nerve for you to say that when lefties supported Obamacare a.k.a. lets monopolize insurance at the government level and charge people a penalty tax for not buying our expensive coverage.
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15008405]Heil Hitler![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008404]Well therein lies the difference in your thinking. You don't believe or understand the UHC CEO's extreme negative impact. No, it's not the same as the CEO of a company that has people voluntarily decide to eat too much of their product. Denying healthcare coverage bankrupts people, and often even worse. And people insured have no control over this.
But that is all beside the point anyway, in that none of these scenarios deal with the murdering of random innocent people. Which is what happened in the case of this thread and is an incredibly horrible thing to do.[/QUOTE]
You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?
That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008426][B]You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?[/B]
That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that?
I know you didn't respond to me regarding this, but it kinda seems like [I]you[/I] don't know how healthcare insurance actually works.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008433]Where did I say that?
I know you didn't respond to me regarding this, but it kinda seems like [I]you[/I] don't know how healthcare insurance actually works.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.
That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008440][B]I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses. [/B]
That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]
Again, no I don't think it's right to kill someone.
BUT...no it's not just SOME cases of insurance companies weaseling out of paying. With UHC in particular it's been an ongoing trend of creating difficult-to-meet and sometimes completely unfeasible standards in order to pay out. I went to a seminar a few months ago led by a panel of healthcare leaders in the Atlanta area and it was centered around denials. One of these leaders mentioned the discrepancies they would always have between acute and post-acute care. Very frequently the main hospital would run full and they would have to transfer viable acute patients over to a nearby post-acute rehab hospital to receive treatment, and although they were still receiving acute care based on all documentation, insurance claims would be denied because they were [I]technically[/I] housed in a post-acute facility. Can you guess who the main culprit of this was?
These stays are incredibly expensive too and not only does it potentially financially cripple the patients, but it hamstrings the hospital systems too who ethically won't deny care if patients can't pay out of pocket.
They were also the main culprit of the whole pre-existing conditions fiasco a few years back.
Shit like this needs to change and that's why I'm all for federally funded healthcare programs. Yes, premiums are more expensive but grounds for claims payment are FAR less stringent. If these existed for healthy 30-year-olds, premiums wouldn't be like they are now for the over 65 group either.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008440]I'm sure there are cases of insurance companies trying to weasel out of having to cover certain expenses.
That doesn't mean you have a right to shoot the CEO in the back of the head.[/QUOTE]
they literally exist to do so. it's how they cash out. you know this.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008426]You think human beings are entitled to low cost health insurance?
That's a very interesting stance to take in the same post where you discuss people eating McDonald's everyday.[/QUOTE]
why not? people should be free to whatever they want - it's their choice. free country. where's the libertarian in you? they wanna kill themselves at thirty? *uck it, one less unhealthy mother*ucker. that doesn't mean well meaning people should also get ripped of by for=profit insurance. it's a racket, do you not agree with that much?
give people the free to do what they want at the expense of a healthier and more productive country. i agree with everything rfk said the other day - we need to incentivize vfat, lazy people to make better decisions with their health but we pay for shit everyu day with our tax dollars on shit that we don't even know exists. there's so much more in washington that we should be cutting than passing health care reform. cutting the pentagon and ending foreign wars and aid is just a start off the top of my head.
have you seen the budget bill that house republicans passed? it's another massive transfer of wealth to the top. after what we saw with covid how can anyone agree with this? it's *ucking massive. our priorities are all rearranged and we're so caught up in the bullshit while dc corruption laughs all of the way to the bank. the gravy train keeps on moving.
our congress is a shitshow. i wish they'd all die in a plane crash.
@diamenz
If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.
If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative.
Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.
So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008452]@diamenz
If someone wants to kill themselves at 30 because they do drugs and don't watch their diet, sure that is their right, but now they are also potentially huge drains on the system. When the morbidly obese patient checks into the hospital, it's going to cost a lot of money to treat that person.
[B]If I own a health insurance company, I should not be forced to take on every high risk customer. They are not legally obligated to my services, not if I think they're going to be a net negative. [/B]
Now if you're advocating for a taxpayer funded system, the same problem still arises. It's not like we have infinite money and infinite resources. You can't guarantee premium healthcare to every citizen if there are millions of people burdening the system with their stupid and unhealthy life choices.
So yea these people should have the freedom to make themselves sick if they want to, but not if it's on my dime and your dime.[/QUOTE]
And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.
Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15008459]And the entire point of the other side on this issue is that people like you shouldn't be the ones owning insurance companies. Not to say that you're evil or even alone here. Most people, including myself, are looking for ways to earn the highest profit possible.
Healthcare insurance is just not the realm where I believe that should be the case.[/QUOTE]
Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.
The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.
Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008462][B]Uh, a health insurance company needs to be remain profitable in order to keep going. If it's not profitable, it goes under.[/B]
The same goes for a government system. If it's not operating at a surplus... you either have to cut services, cut funding somewhere else or raise everyone's taxes.
Please if you have a viable alternative I am all ears.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008463]Yeah he's saying they shouldn't exist, and he's right.[/QUOTE]
Insurance companies shouldn't exist?
Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?
Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008466]Insurance companies shouldn't exist?
Okay, so I take it you plan on paying for your own health care services then with your own money?
Or, let me guess, you want to pay for it with my money.[/QUOTE]
Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15008468]Idk are you a billionaire or some other person who makes money exploiting their own workers? I don’t support taxing anyone besides the super rich. If you have a problem with billionaires paying taxes well it’s weird you don’t care about everyday people’s taxes going to fund a genocide.[/QUOTE]
If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.
Are you retarded? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15008475]If you taxed every billionaire at [B]100%[/B] it would still not be enough to fund universal healthcare for every american.
Are you retarded? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
What does you believe universal healthcare to mean?