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Magic @ PG
MJ @ OG
Kareem @ C
Hakeem @ PF
Bird @ SF
I'm not losing a single game, anywhere, anytime, any court (tarmack, hardwood, indoors, outdoors, beach basketball etc etc)
btw, Hakeem could easily play PF position with all that footwork, hand eye coordination. He will be a better version of Duncan.
Curry
Klay
Kawhi
Bird
Hakeem
[QUOTE=gengiskhan;15010879]Magic @ PG
MJ @ OG
Kareem @ C
Hakeem @ PF
Bird @ SF
I'm not losing a single game, anywhere, anytime, any court (tarmack, hardwood, indoors, outdoors, beach basketball etc etc)
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For debate's sake I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, I don't think your team is as good as you think it is. You have too many guys on the team that need the ball in order to utilize their max potential. I think you might have a lot of ego clashes too. I mean who's taking the last shot between Jordan and Bird? Lol have fun with that one.
If I'm building an all time team I obviously want Jordan so I have to cater to his needs.
1 - Curry
2 - Jordan
3 - Pippen
4 - Rodman
5- Hakeem
I went with MJ-Pip-Rodman because we already saw what those 3 were capable of together. Defensively those guys can shut down any perimeter, and I'm not worried about Rodman being a liability on offense because have fun stopping that team.
No egos and everyone would know their role.
Curry
Kobe
Durant
Yolk
Wilt
Great spacing from everybody + Wilt most dominant center ever to cover the rim. I'll play twin towers with him and Jokic offense feeding him like he did AG. Elite shooting from everybody else.
PG - Magic
SG - MJ
SF - Bird
PF - Lebron
C - Wilt
SGA is top 5 all time. He got MVP and FMVP in the same season.
[QUOTE=Wardell Curry;15010924]SGA is top 5 all time. He got MVP and FMVP in the same season.[/QUOTE]
He may not even equal 1983 Moses. Moses have SGA beat.
1983 Moses beat 5 x NBA Champs, aka showtime LAL, led by Magic Man for FMVP win.
so SGA win MVP SWEEP against IND will be weak sauce.
Alsi, 1983 moses beat 1982 NBA Champs in 1983 Finals, in a finals re-match.
this means, opposition was alltime great. And 2025 IND is the opposite of that.
pg: CURRY
sg: Jordan
sf: LEBRON
pf: Nikola
c:Wemby
could start at pf
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PG - Maravich
SG - Jordan
SF - Bird
PF - Malone
C - Shaq
[QUOTE=John8204;15010921]PG - Magic
SG - MJ
SF - Bird
PF - Lebron
C - Wilt[/QUOTE]
take that garbage LBJ out. dont belong there.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15011311]PG - Maravich
SG - Jordan
SF - Bird
PF - Malone
C - Shaq[/QUOTE]
your starting 5 should be:
lisinopril
propanolol
atorvastatin
lovastatin
fenofibrin
PG - Magic
SG - Kobe
SF - LeBron
PF - AD
C - Kareem
[QUOTE=highwhey;15011313]your starting 5 should be:
lisinopril
propanolol
atorvastatin
lovastatin
fenofibrin[/QUOTE]
:roll:
Kyrie
Klay
Pippen
Pau
A.Davis
Bench: Draymond, Rodman, Horry, Fisher
I am winning 65 games AT LEAST.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan;15010879]Magic @ PG
MJ @ OG
Kareem @ C
Hakeem @ PF
Bird @ SF
I'm not losing a single game, anywhere, anytime, any court (tarmack, hardwood, indoors, outdoors, beach basketball etc etc)
btw, Hakeem could easily play PF position with all that footwork, hand eye coordination. He will be a better version of Duncan.[/QUOTE]
If I have everyone in history, I'm taking more shooting than that. Magic is the GOAT PG, but your lineup has nobody that can defend smaller quicker guards.
If I'm looking at player synergy, I think I might want:
Chris Paul
Kobe
Durant
LeBron
Shaq
This lineup has everything. Spacing, playmaking from multiple positions, off-ball perimeter scoring, post presence, defensive versatility, toughness and IQ.
A lot of these lineups are stacked without thinking about cohesion. For example, you don't need 4-5 scorers on a team. If I'm creating a solid lineup, I'm doing something like:
Stockton
MJ
Bird
Rodman
Hakeem
or
Kidd
Wade
Kawhi
B. Wallace
AD
or
Curry
Ray
Pippen
KG
Russell
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15011337]A lot of these lineups are stacked without thinking about cohesion. For example, you don't need 4-5 scorers on a team. If I'm creating a solid lineup, I'm doing something like:
Stockton
MJ
Bird
Rodman
Hakeem
or
Kidd
Wade
Kawhi
B. Wallace
AD
or
Curry
Ray
Pippen
KG
Russell[/QUOTE]
The spacing deficit you'd get from big ben and Rodman would kill you vs GOAT teams that don't have that problem. Like why put those guys in your lineup when you could've put somebody like KG or Duncan at PF? Theyre not selfish scorers and can do everything your guys can do + be a threat on offense.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011343]The spacing deficit you'd get from big ben and Rodman would kill you vs GOAT teams that don't have that problem. Like why put those guys in your lineup when you could've put somebody like KG or Duncan at PF? Theyre not selfish scorers and can do everything your guys can do + be a threat on offense.[/QUOTE]
Duncan still needs the ball in his hands to run the high post. Otherwise, what's he doing? KG fits in one of the lineups I put. I get the idea of spacing, which is why I didn't put the both of them on the same team. Big Ben and Rodman also both offer elite offensive rebounding, so that's another reason why I had them in there.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15010883]Curry
Klay
Kawhi
Bird
Hakeem[/QUOTE]
This is the best team by far
[QUOTE=highwhey;15011313]your starting 5 should be:
lisinopril
propanolol
atorvastatin
lovastatin
fenofibrin[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're familiar with those meds. Never heard of any of those other than the first one.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15011337]A lot of these lineups are stacked without thinking about cohesion. For example, you don't need 4-5 scorers on a team. If I'm creating a solid lineup, I'm doing something like:
Stockton
MJ
Bird
Rodman
Hakeem
or
Kidd
Wade
Kawhi
B. Wallace
AD
or
Curry
Ray
Pippen
KG
Russell[/QUOTE]
Why would you have Ben Wallace playing the 4? :lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011350]Why would you have Ben Wallace playing the 4? :lol[/QUOTE]
Cause he came in as a 4; he was a versatile defender. Small and quick enough to guard PFs.
Curry
MJ
Kawhi
Bird
Walton
Similar team to soubeach. Went with Walton over Hakeem because I feel having Hakeem would be overkill for scoring (might cause chemistry issues) with a bunch of scorers already in the lineup. Walton gives me playmaking, unselfishness, rebounding & defense.
Curry-MJ-Kawhi doesn't give me a lot of playmaking, but Bird/Walton is a top tier frontline for that.
Magic
Kobe
AK-47
Sheed
Wilt
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011352]Curry
MJ
Kawhi
Bird
Walton
Similar team to soubeach. Went with Walton over Hakeem because I feel having Hakeem would be overkill for scoring (might cause chemistry issues) with a bunch of scorers already in the lineup. Walton gives me playmaking, unselfishness, & defense.[/QUOTE]
I know it sounds crazy to say, but I really don't feel like Jordan gives you max value in an all-time starting 5. I really don't think you need him when you already have Curry/Kawhi/Bird capable of going off for 25-30 points.
Walton's a good choice at center, I just went with Hakeem for the GOAT tier defense.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011354]I know it sounds crazy to say, but I really don't feel like Jordan gives you max value in an all-time starting 5. I really don't think you need him when you already have Curry/Kawhi/Bird capable of going off for 25-30 points.
Walton's a good choice at center, I just went with Hakeem for the GOAT tier defense.[/QUOTE]
Yea, to be honest I wanted to put Klay, but didn't want my team to look too similar to yours. :lol
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011354]I know it sounds crazy to say, but I really don't feel like Jordan gives you max value in an all-time starting 5. I really don't think you need him when you already have Curry/Kawhi/Bird capable of going off for 25-30 points.
Walton's a good choice at center, I just went with Hakeem for the GOAT tier defense.[/QUOTE]
This is why I mentioned a lot of lineups people put together are just all time starting positions and not really a team per se. Like, I'd never fit MJ-Kobe-LeBron on the same team, even though they're 3 of the greatest players of all time (and for many - top 3).
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15011353]Magic
Kobe
AK-47
Sheed
Wilt[/QUOTE]
We clogging the paint on defense with that lineup.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011357]We clogging the paint on defense with that lineup.[/QUOTE]
How? AK-47 was a versatile defender, super quick, and a great help defender. Sheed was versatile and quick as well. And Wilt is the fastest center of all time.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15011358]How? AK-47 was a versatile defender, super quick, and a great help defender. Sheed was versatile and quick as well. And Wilt is the fastest center of all time.[/QUOTE]
Not enough shooting
I'm honestly surprised at all the Kobe mentions, I don't think he'd be a good fit in an all-time lineup at all. I also don't understand why anyone would choose him over Jordan when he's essentially just a worse version of him.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15011357]We clogging the paint on defense with that lineup.[/QUOTE]
Yea I understand your point. I think the transition ability makes up for it, but guys like Magic, Kobe, and Sheed could shoot 34-36% from the 3 routinely. It's not stellar but if they get hot then that would be enough. I don't think it's always necessary to have a lineup of 3-4 guys that can shoot near the 40% clip in order to be competitive.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15011360]I'm honestly surprised at all the Kobe mentions, I don't think he'd be a good fit in an all-time lineup at all. I also don't understand why anyone would choose him over Jordan when he's essentially just a worse version of him.[/QUOTE]
I'm just putting variations at this point, but the most optimal lineup would have MJ at the 2.
Putting Klay in over Michael Jordan should be a temp ban.
The spacing advantage doesn't even come close to touching what MJ would bring to the table. Klay shot like shit in the Finals too when it mattered most and pressure was highest. Its a silly stance.
And if youre really trying to be all in on spacing you could've just put prime Ray Allen in the SG slot, who is far superior.
[QUOTE=tpols;15011369]Putting Klay in over Michael Jordan should be a temp ban.
The spacing advantage doesn't even come close to touching what MJ would bring to the table. Klay shot like shit in the Finals too when it mattered most and pressure was highest. Its a silly stance.
And if youre really trying to be all in on spacing you could've just put prime Ray Allen in the SG slot, who is far superior.[/QUOTE]
I'm genuinely baffled by the way you process things sometimes. It's like you can't differentiate between a regular team and an all-time one. Why would I want a guy who's going to take 25 shots a game when I already have four other 25-30 ppg scorers in the lineup? What value is Jordan bringing when I already have scoring covered by a significant margin. Klay fits in perfectly with an all-time lineup because he provides GOAT tier shooting, spaces the floor, can play off ball, takes up very little possession, and can also play defense.
I'd choose Klay to pair with Curry over Allen because he's a better defender.
MJ isn't taking 25 shots a game on a super team. The dream team proved that. He had no problem fitting in and letting other guys work. This isn't Iverson or Westbrook bro. Its just honestly a [I]really[/I] dumb take to put Klay Thompson in your lineup over Michael Jordan.
Curry
Klay
KD
Draymond
Walton
Basically the 2017 warriors with Walton. 82-0?
[QUOTE=tpols;15011374]MJ isn't taking 25 shots a game on a super team. The dream team proved that. He had no problem fitting in and letting other guys work. This isn't Iverson or Westbrook bro. Its just honestly a [I]really[/I] dumb take to put Klay Thompson in your lineup over Michael Jordan.[/QUOTE]
Jordan does not fit in nearly as seamlessly as Klay does, the cohesion of the lineup gets worse with a guy who's wired to score and will take up far more possession time/provide far worse spacing than Klay. Jordan has diminishing value and return in a lineup where you already have 4 other ATG's who can average 25+ a night.