Who would you say are the most underrated U.S. Presidents?

William McKinley? Ulysses S. Grant? Calvin Coolidge? James Polk?

Joe Biden

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15012624][B]William McKinley[/B]? Ulysses S. Grant? Calvin Coolidge? James Polk?[/QUOTE]

I think America is so heavily focused on black/white issues that people don't rank McKinley as a bottom tier President. In truth he was the closest we had to Hitler, he did terrible things during his run.

For me the ten underrated presidents are Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Calvin Coolidge, Grover Cleveland, Chester Arthur, Ulysses S. Grant, James Polk, Jon Tyler, John Quincy Adams, James Monroe

[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;15012626]Joe Biden[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this answer is in jest or sarcasm. But Biden is definitely underrated.

Probably not the "most" underrated though, which is too difficult to grasp not having lived through most of them.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012873]Not sure if this answer is in jest or sarcasm. But Biden is definitely underrated.

Probably not the "most" underrated though, which is too difficult to grasp not having lived through most of them.[/QUOTE]


So underrated.... he got Trump reelected

Biden can ONLY be underrated. No one rates him highly. Not even the left. Not sure he got Trump reelected though given Kamala ran against Trump. Biden actually beat Trump.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15013107]Biden can ONLY be underrated. No one rates him highly. Not even the left. Not sure he got Trump reelected though given Kamala ran against Trump. Biden actually beat Trump.[/QUOTE]
Trump was absolutely destroying Biden in the polls before he dropped out, he would've lost even worse than Kamala did had he stayed in the race.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15013140]Trump was absolutely destroying Biden in the polls before he dropped out, he would've lost even worse than Kamala did had he stayed in the race.[/QUOTE]

He would have lost yes, but IMO that supports being "underrated".

Abraham Lincoln is probably the most underrated U.S. President ever. Especially among blacks who don't even talk about the man who single-handily was is the first stepping stone of the life they get to enjoy now.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15013146]Abraham Lincoln is probably the most underrated U.S. President ever. Especially among blacks who don't even talk about the man who single-handily was is the first stepping stone of the life they get to enjoy now.[/QUOTE]
A guy who's constantly considered the best president ever is underrated? GTFOH :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Meticode;15013146]Abraham Lincoln is probably the most underrated U.S. President ever. Especially among blacks who don't even talk about the man who single-handily was is the first stepping stone of the life they get to enjoy now.[/QUOTE]

Lincoln is basically consensus rated #1 overall. He is the highest rated POTUS ever.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15013151]Lincoln is basically consensus rated #1 overall. He is the highest rated POTUS ever.[/QUOTE]

If only that reality were true for the people he affected the most in their current lives.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15013151]Lincoln is basically consensus rated #1 overall. He is the highest rated POTUS ever.[/QUOTE]

Still underrated.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15013150]A guy who's constantly considered the best president ever is underrated? GTFOH :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

And still underrated.

To be serious though I'm semi-trolling, but I do feel the black community generally doesn't even acknowledge Lincoln and the footprint he's had on their lives. He was the first stepping stone to blacks having at least "some" rights and eventually not being slaves. That snowballed into people rising up with louder voices like Martin Luther King Jr. or Malcolm X fighting for civil rights.

I often wonder how the United States would look today if Lincoln didn't exist or if the Confederates won the war.

[QUOTE=Meticode;15013169]To be serious though I'm semi-trolling, but I do feel the black community generally doesn't even acknowledge Lincoln and the footprint he's had on their lives. He was the first stepping stone to blacks having at least "some" rights and eventually not being slaves. That snowballed into people rising up with louder voices like Martin Luther King Jr. or Malcolm X fighting for civil rights.

I often wonder how the United States would look today if Lincoln didn't exist or if the Confederates won the war.[/QUOTE]

There are statues and avenues in Mexico named in honor of Lincoln.

[QUOTE=John8204;15012821]I think America is so heavily focused on black/white issues that people don't rank McKinley as a bottom tier President. In truth he was the closest we had to Hitler, he did terrible things during his run.[/QUOTE]

Say what you want about the Spanish-American War, but that War basically made us a global power.

[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;15012626]Joe Biden[/QUOTE]

This. /Thread.

[video=youtube;UAUg6y2UX88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUg6y2UX88[/video]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15013312][video=youtube;UAUg6y2UX88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUg6y2UX88[/video][/QUOTE]
Two of the most popular presidential historians on YouTube.

3 of the 4 presidents I listed in OP were in A or B tier. William McKinley finished in D tier, but the guy on the bottom had him B tier, I found myself agreeing with him more on these placements.

I kind of feel like their only worth ranking over the last 100 years or so. Before that? Society was just too different. I mean before Lincoln most of the Presidents were slave owners.

It's like comparing Bob Pettit and George Mikan to Curry and Lebron. They were basically playing different games all together. Not only that but none of us saw Pettit and Mikan so we don't have a great grasp on their impact.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15013324]Two of the most popular presidential historians on YouTube.

3 of the 4 presidents I listed in OP were in A or B tier. William McKinley finished in D tier, but the guy on the bottom had him B tier, I found myself agreeing with him more on these placements.[/QUOTE]

I like how impartial they are when it comes to taking sides. All of the most recent "pride and joys", Reagan for Republicans and Obama for the Democrats both in the C group. Which is probably accurate IMO.

Then not ranking Trump admitting that it's too early and that there are clear biases.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15013376]I kind of feel like their only worth ranking over the last 100 years or so. Before that? Society was just too different. I mean before Lincoln most of the Presidents were slave owners.

It's like comparing Bob Pettit and George Mikan to Curry and Lebron. They were basically playing different games all together. Not only that but none of us saw Pettit and Mikan so we don't have a great grasp on their impact.[/QUOTE]

They state numerous times that society was different back then and they take that into account, it's not like they are penalizing Thomas Jefferson for being a slave owner. lol.

The guy with the glasses is more of a liberal, while the guy at the bottom is more conservative. But it was interesting to see how similar they graded most of these presidents. The biggest discrepancy funny enough was William McKinley who I had in the OP.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15013380]I like how impartial they are when it comes to taking sides. All of the most recent "pride and joys", Reagan for Republicans and Obama for the Democrats both in the C group. Which is probably accurate IMO.

Then not ranking Trump admitting that it's too early and that there are clear biases.[/QUOTE]

I think Reagan finished in B tier, but barely. It came down to a poll by fans which basically finished 51-49.

GW Bush is now somehow underrated for how bad he was. Democrats today act like Trump is worse than Bush/Cheney. Lmao.

Worst terrorist attack ever on his watch.
2 completely useless wars
Torture
The complete violation of everyone’s privacy through the patriot act and other shit.
Worst banking crash since the 1920’s
Etc
Etc
Etc

Dude got crazy underrated after Trump.