Oh, that's right - never mind. He doesn't have a game 7 finals record. He always won the finals without it going to 7 games. He was just that dominant. :confusedshrug:
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Oh, that's right - never mind. He doesn't have a game 7 finals record. He always won the finals without it going to 7 games. He was just that dominant. :confusedshrug:
SGA who is the “best two way player” since MJ is one game away from reaching a 7th game.
Well when you're facing cupcake opponents/always have the better team you shouldn't need 7 game to win the series.
'91 Lakers: No Kareem, No Riley, HIV Magic
'92 Blazers: Low IQ team that regularly imploded in crunch time with Hitler as their head coach
'93 Suns: Not much defensive resistance. One of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs
'96 Sonics: Basically the 2012-2015 Clippers of their era, never got close to reaching the Finals again
'97 & '98 Jazz: Old ass team with role players who were no names, led by Malone who was a choker
This had a variety of reasons, such as Kerr & Paxson hitting series winning shots, and the Jazz getting screwed in 98.
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It's a black mark that Lebron wet the bed for the first 4 games, and therefore needed Game 7 in the 08' ECSF, 13' Finals, and 16' Finals:
[Indent]First 4 games (thereby needing Game 7):
08' ECSF........ 19 on 26%
13' Finals....... 16 on 39%
16' Finals....... 24 and 6 TO's[/Indent]
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15016185]Well when you're facing cupcake opponents/always have the better team you shouldn't need 7 game to win the series.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016188]'91 Lakers: No Kareem, No Riley, HIV Magic
'92 Blazers: Low IQ team that regularly imploded in crunch time with Hitler as their head coach
'93 Suns: Not much defensive resistance. One of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs
'96 Sonics: Basically the 2012-2015 Clippers of their era, never got close to reaching the Finals again
'97 & '98 Jazz: Old ass team with role players who were no names, led by Malone who was a choker[/QUOTE]
Unintentionally funny, I'm sure. But funny nonetheless :oldlol:
What's funny is that Lebron faced the WORST finals team in the modern era in 2020, and it STILL took him 6 games to beat them. And that was with Bam Adebayo injured. :roll:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016176]SGA who is the “best two way player” since MJ is one game away from reaching a 7th game.[/QUOTE]
Best "since," but obviously not as good as - yet, anyway. SGA's still getting better every year and may not have peaked yet.
[QUOTE=Full Court;15016202]What's funny is that Lebron faced the WORST finals team in the modern era in 2020, and it STILL took him 6 games to beat them. And that was with Bam Adebayo injured. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Now list the other teams he beat in the Finals.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016188]'91 Lakers: No Kareem, No Riley, HIV Magic
'92 Blazers: Low IQ team that regularly imploded in crunch time with Hitler as their head coach
'93 Suns: Not much defensive resistance. One of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs
'96 Sonics: Basically the 2012-2015 Clippers of their era, never got close to reaching the Finals again
'97 & '98 Jazz: Old ass team [B]with role players who were no names[/B], led by Malone who was a choker[/QUOTE]
Jazz #4 through #9
Byron Russell
Greg Ostertag
Antoine Carr
Shandon Anderson
Howard Eisley
Greg Foster
:lol
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016208]Jazz #4 through #9
Byron Russell
Greg Ostertag
Antoine Carr
Shandon Anderson
Howard Eisley
Greg Foster
:lol[/QUOTE]
Who swept Shaq and Kobe's Lakers, bounced the twin tower Spurs in 5 games, super team Rockets in 6.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;15016212]Who swept Shaq and [B]Kobe's[/B] Lakers, bounced the twin tower Spurs in 5 games,[B] super team Rockets in 6.[/B][/QUOTE]
You mean a 19 year old Kobe & Hakeem, Barkley, & Drexler who were were 50 years old?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016213]You mean a 19 year old Kobe & Hakeem, Barkley, & Drexler who were were 50 years old?[/QUOTE]
rookie Duncan?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016207]Now list the other teams he beat in the Finals.[/QUOTE]
Did you know that he lost in 2011 as a massive favorite? Not only that, but he had the worst choke job of ALL TIME.
Seeing how you fancy yourself to be a basketball historian, were you aware of those things?
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016213]You mean a 19 year old Kobe & Hakeem, Barkley, & Drexler who were were 50 years old?[/QUOTE]
Hakeem and Barkley are the same age as Malone. Drexler is the same age as Stockton.
Kobe was an all-star.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15016214]rookie Duncan?[/QUOTE]
Rookie Duncan who was 1st team All-NBA and a champion a year later.
Any more or are you idiots going to stop embarrassing yourselves further?
[QUOTE=Nowoco;15016229]Hakeem and Barkley are the same age as Malone. Drexler is the same age as Stockton.
Kobe was an all-star[/QUOTE]
Come one now. Out of all those players (including Stockton) Malone was the only one who was still in his prime. And Kobe was an all-star that year due to his popularity, not actual play. No where near the player he once became. Kobe wasn’t even a starter for the Lakers that year. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15016185]Well when you're facing cupcake opponents/always have the better team you shouldn't need 7 game to win the series.[/QUOTE]
yo momma, moth3r****3r.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15016239]yo momma, moth3r****3r.[/QUOTE]
FVCK you.
1996-1998 Jazz have the best 3-year PS stretch by a team that never won a single title. 10th by rNet, 9th by cNet, 15th by playoff SRS sandwiched among dynasties. Calling those Jazz teams weak shows ignorance and lack of knowledge about that era. Their system was incredible. They were like the Spurs in the 2010's. The roster doesn't jump out at you with a lot of supposedly over the hill players but they played like monsters as a unit.
And data shows that other Jordan opponents were mostly at least average competition historically. Not top tier but by no means weak. Portland was great from 1990-1992. Seattle played at a 60 win pace for 6 years straight from 1993-1998. The 1991 Lakers were actually about as good as many of their Showtime 80's teams when healthy. The 1993 Suns are probably the weakest link but then the 1993 Bulls are also the weakest Bulls title team so that was no cakewalk.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15016208]Jazz #4 through #9
Byron Russell
Greg Ostertag
Antoine Carr
Shandon Anderson
Howard Eisley
Greg Foster
:lol[/QUOTE]
Swept peak Shaq and Kobe.
Can't complain about weaker casts when everyone you know lost to a weaker cast...except one.
Secondly, it's not true. Teams are greater than the sum of the individual parts. Jordan's Bulls were beating 60+ win teams without home court advantage.
The Sonics, for instance, were good enough to sweep the two-time defending champs with the previous year's Finals MVP.
The Bulls beat the Lakers with the previous year's league MVP and 2nd place in 91. Beat the Blazers with the 2nd place MVP. The Suns had the MVP. The Jazz had the MVP in 97 and 2nd place in 98.
[QUOTE=Nowoco;15016229]Hakeem and Barkley are the same age as Malone. Drexler is the same age as Stockton.
Kobe was an all-star.
Rookie Duncan who was 1st team All-NBA and a champion a year later.
Any more or are you idiots going to stop embarrassing yourselves further?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, 1999 sucked. Thanks for the reminder.
The fact rookie Duncan was 1st team just tells us how weak that time was.
[QUOTE=dankok8;15016319]1996-1998 Jazz have the best 3-year PS stretch by a team that never won a single title. 10th by rNet, 9th by cNet, 15th by playoff SRS sandwiched among dynasties. Calling those Jazz teams weak shows ignorance and lack of knowledge about that era. Their system was incredible. They were like the Spurs in the 2010's. The roster doesn't jump out at you with a lot of supposedly over the hill players but they played like monsters as a unit. [/QUOTE]
People throwing shade at the 96-98 Jazz is one of the biggest mistakes an NBA "historian" can make. For the simple reason that you can destroy any argument by pointing to the teams they beat in that stretch. But time and again, people still walk into the ambush and get destroyed.
Give it a few days and some other idiot will get caught in the same trap.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15016361]
The fact rookie Duncan was 1st team just tells us how weak that time was.[/QUOTE]
Or how historically great his rookie season was.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15016361]Yeah, 1999 sucked. Thanks for the reminder.
The fact rookie Duncan was 1st team just tells us how weak that time was.[/QUOTE]
So was 2013 weak as well when he was 1st team at 36 & averaged 19/12 in the Finals at 37? Or when he made 3rd team All-NBA at 38? :lol
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15016374]So was 2013 weak as well when he was 1st team at 36 & averaged 19/12 in the Finals at 37? Or when he made 3rd team All-NBA at 38? :lol[/QUOTE]
Pretty much yea. Notoriously bad era for bigs.
Why is no game 7 in the finals impressive? That is a meaningless and worthless fact. At best it's some fun inconsequential trivia. He played multiple games 7 as well as a closeout game five in the Eastern conference. Celebrating no game 7s in the finals with the knowledge that he lost a game seven in the Eastern conference preventing him from reaching the finals in 1990 and then played two more game 7s on the way to the finals later on basically lends credence to the claim that his finals' opponents were weaker that his Eastern conference opponents.
[QUOTE=dankok8;15016319]1996-1998 Jazz have the best 3-year PS stretch by a team that never won a single title. 10th by rNet, 9th by cNet, 15th by playoff SRS sandwiched among dynasties.
Calling those Jazz teams weak shows ignorance and lack of knowledge about that era. Their system was incredible. They were like the Spurs in the 2010's. The roster doesn't jump out at you with a lot of supposedly over the hill players but they played like monsters as a unit.
And data shows that other Jordan opponents were mostly at least average competition historically. [/QUOTE]
Sonics had a higher Net rating in the playoffs than the Jazz did in '97, San Antonio & Indiana had a higher net rating in '98. :lol
Although I agree they were better than their roster construct, they never even came close to dominating the postseason like the 2014 Spurs or even the 2013 Spurs in the postseason. 2014 Spurs had a +10 rNet in the postseason, 2013 Spurs had a +7.6 rating. Jazz didn't even reach a +4 in either playoffs.
And to your last point, that's what they were...average. LeBron was beating dynasties in the Finals
[QUOTE=Da_Realist;15016339]
The Sonics, for instance, were good enough to sweep the two-time defending champs with the previous year's Finals MVP.
[/QUOTE]
Also as a 63 win team (best record in the NBA) lost to an 8th seed in the first round. :lol