Would you trade Jokić today for the entire 06 nuggets at 06 cap numbers?

You’re gonna have to pardon me for a few days here as I empty my internal file of stupid questions that I’ve been not asking out of respect for the playoffs. You’ve been spared my nonsense for long enough and I’m getting hypothetical question blue balls over here. So…

Jokic makes about the same money as the 2006 nuggets. He makes 55 million this coming season. The Nuggets made 56 and change.


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so it doesn’t much change their cap situation. Let’s say you have a mandate to win the title by 2028 season with no concerns for the future beyond. if you don’t win the title in 3 seasons you’re fired so the future of the team is largely irrelevant.

you have a guarantee of health for all players involved for the 3 years.

You complete the trade then you take who you want from both teams and build your lineup With the 06 players at 06 prices eligible only for extensions that would’ve applied to the cap from the era they are native

Once the deal is complete and they are on your team you can do as you please. So hypothetically, you could complete the deal and then offer a few of the nuggets to someone else. Your call.

You have all those players at 06 prices to do with as you please.

do you send Joker through the Time Machine?

Same question Same rules SGA for the 2006 Sonics

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Any team with Carmelo on it aint winning a championship, so no, I'm not doing that trade.

Maybe I could trade him for a better star to give myself a better chance at winning.

Obviously yes.

This didn't take much thinking.

Yes to OKC as well. The value you're getting for these players vs the cap is waaaaay out of whack.

[QUOTE=Carbine;15019086]Obviously yes.

This didn't take much thinking.[/QUOTE]

that’s what makes it a thinker to me. I’m not confident we will automatically be better, but I have a prime guaranteed healthy Carmelo and Camby at 06 prices?

I feel like by the All-Star break I would have one of the most valuable commodities ever. Prime Carmelo, and he’s eligible for an extension that would make him the best value in the league at 16 million a season max? And Camby guaranteed healthy at the top of his game on a contract that would go to an eighth man these days?

Who can I get if I offered Jamal Murray plus either mellow or Camby on an 06 deal?

If I add picks would the Bucks give me Giannis at the deadline Leaving me with Giannis to replace Joker but a much deeper lineup?

Who would be inaccessible if I’ve got a price capped young Carmelo to add to a modern player to make up salary?

I’ll be so tempted to call around the league just to see what I could get. Even the people who now don’t **** with Carmelo would value that version of him much more At that age, and at that price.

OKC, yes but, just because I'd like to see Ray Allen's capabilities in this league and trade away the rest for pieces. OKC is well rounded enough to have deep playoff runs even if Ray wouldn't pan out like SGA.

Denver on the other hand? Why would I take Melo? His game was already "old" when he was still in his prime. Ball stopping midpost game, bad FG% at the basket and illadvised shot selection, while being not easy to coach. Any following trade would have to involve him to get a star better suited to win a championship. So why would I trade away said star for him and pieces?

In fact I don’t have to give up Murray. They’ve got Enough highly paid role players to add to a price capped Carmelo to match Giannis in salary. You trade Giannis for prime Carmelo at 06 prices when he’s gonna walk otherwise.

Then ive basically got the current nuggets with Giannis in place of Jokic but adding Camby, Kenyon Martin, and Andre Miller. We would be deep as ****.

After the Caruso fiasco yes.

As long as carmelo is flipped to the knicks for a similar package as he was

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15019093]OKC, yes but, just because I'd like to see Ray Allen's capabilities in this league and trade away the rest for pieces. OKC is well rounded enough to have deep playoff runs even if Ray wouldn't pan out like SGA.

Denver on the other hand? Why would I take Melo? His game was already "old" when he was still in his prime. Ball stopping midpost game, bad FG% at the basket and illadvised shot selection, while being not easy to coach. Any following trade would have to involve him to get a star better suited to win a championship. So why would I trade away said star for him and pieces?[/QUOTE]


Wouldn’t keep prime Rashard Lewis on a contract that would range from 8 to 21 million? At the time it was considered a laughable overpay but a 1610 guy who can shoot like that in this league?

He’d get targeted and lit up cs some matchups, but at those prices you kinda have to keep him around no?

Even if you hate Carmelo, the fact he could sign an extension as a severely low rate and the fact he was still super young in '06.... His trade value would be immense around the league. The Bucks would likely take him straight up for Giannis.

Easy yes. Even if you hate Melo's game. You are getting a 22 year old all star player on a cheap deal. Camby too would also have a ton of trade value even at age 31.

[QUOTE=Carbine;15019122]Even if you hate Carmelo, the fact he could sign an extension as a severely low rate and the fact he was still super young in '06.... His trade value would be immense around the league. The Bucks would likely take him straight up for Giannis.[/QUOTE]

prime Carmelo on that contract would be a virtually unprecedented value wouldn’t he? It’s like if current Jalen Williams werent due for a $250 million extension that could go up to 290 something with an all NBA pick. It’s like keeping an all NBA player drafted late first round on his rookie deal till near 30.

how many people as good as Carmelo have ever been inexpensive enough After extension you could pay 10 of them without even reaching the salary cap?

6 years 80 million with a cap that’s gonna be 155 to 170+ over the life of the deal?

If you can’t figure out how to stay immensely talented or how to trade that for someone you love you don’t deserve the job.

It's tempting if for no other reason than getting Nene and Kleiza together for less than four mil combined. Thats a pretty great start to filling out a roster around some stars in today's salary landscape. Camby at 9 mil and Dre at 8 isnt bad either altho thats what a guy like Pritchard or Batum is making today so Im not sure it represents a huge shift in value.

The rest I would just trade.

Of course it's a huge shift in value. Camby was 32 in '06 and was a DPOY winner the following year and then #2 the next.

He would be like the 175th highest paid player in the league.

Come on now, don't be a dumbass

[QUOTE=Carbine;15019170]Of course it's a huge shift in value. Camby was 32 in '06 and was a DPOY winner the following year and then #2 the next.

He would be like the 175th highest paid player in the league.

Come on now, don't be a dumbass[/QUOTE]


Players with limited offense arent the commodity today they were in those days. Camby wasnt terrible offensively but he wasnt a weapon either. I think a lot of teams would take a good three point shooter over Camby if given the choice in today's game.

Jonas Valanciunus makes 10 million today. Rob Williams III makes 13M. You think Camby would be making 25+? I dont.

As a reasonably healthy Prime free agent? He is not signing somewhere for $10 million.

Dude, Claxton from the Nets is on a 25 million per year contract.

Camby is better than Claxton.

Why even mention Jonan V? He is an awful defensive big man. It's just an awful point to make by comparing them.

[QUOTE=Carbine;15019203]Dude, Claxton from the Nets is on a 25 million per year contract.

Camby is better than Claxton.

Why even mention Jonan V? He is an awful defensive big man. It's just an awful point to make by comparing them.[/QUOTE]

Poeltl just got 104 million. I think Camby for 9 million is a deal.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15019105]Wouldn’t keep prime Rashard Lewis on a contract that would range from 8 to 21 million? At the time it was considered a laughable overpay but a 1610 guy who can shoot like that in this league?

He’d get targeted and lit up cs some matchups, but at those prices you kinda have to keep him around no?[/QUOTE]

Was thinking about it. Not sure. I don't think he'd be that needed and hurt OKCs defense on bigger minutes.

[QUOTE=Carbine;15019122]Even if you hate Carmelo, the fact he could sign an extension as a severely low rate and the fact he was still super young in '06.... His trade value would be immense around the league. The Bucks would likely take him straight up for Giannis.[/QUOTE]

Well, salaries wouldn't match. So you'd have to start throwing in modern players to match. In the end you gut part of your team to get a modern superstar, which you already had.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15019278]Poeltl just got 104 million. I think Camby for 9 million is a deal.[/QUOTE]


The question isnt what a bad team is willing to pay Nic Claxton or Jakob Poeltl. A lot of teams give out a lot of shitty contracts.

The question is what *I* see as good hypothetical value for a player who has no track record playing in this era.

I said Camby for nine million is pretty nice. I just added Im not sure it's some seismic shift in what he'd get paid today, considering it's impossible to know where he would stack up today. His patented free throw line jumper isnt as meaningful today. Talent at the center position in general is higher now than it was in 06.

Toody's a four time DPOY and look how people clown him. Theres people who dont think Jokic is an elite center all time because he cant run around the perimeter the way past centers never had to. Camby today is not the same impact as Camby in 06.

You guys acting like Marcus Camby making 10 mil today would be some kind of franchise fate-altering gift from God is nutty.

It would be a franchise altering gift from God for the lakers…Knicks….Warriors. Quite a few teams prone to let guys like Gobert look like Moses Malone.

Camby at 9 million probably makes last years lakers legit.

Not that it was the original issue. He’d be one of 5ish useful players for virtually no money.


Andre/Melo/Kmart/Camby/Nene all on impossible value added to a team that can already play modern ball that could flip Melo for any number of star options?

The depth would be insane and you could make the top end Giannis or any number of modern stars at a moments notice.

Young cost controlled Melo would be an almost unprecedented asset to move.