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rudy gobert
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draymond green
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kawhi leonard
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alex caruso
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nate mcmillan
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C - Bill Russell
PF - Kevin Garnett
SF - Scottie Pippen
SG - Sidney Moncrief
PG - Jason Kidd
C Hakeem
PF Duncan
SF Kawhi
SG MJ
PG Payton
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[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;15019683]C Hakeem
PF Duncan
SF Kawhi
SG MJ
PG Payton[/QUOTE]
I know he played PF, but Duncan is your prototypical center. KG gives you more versatility at the 4. If I was forced to list Duncan a power forward and just made a team strictly off most deserving he would make it.
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From what I've seen that can actually alter the game
Mutombo
Rodman
Artest
Pippen
Payton
C - Nate Thurmond
PF - Bobby Jones
SF - Tony Allen
SG - Jerry West
PG - Gary Payton
Hey, sga should be on this list. :coleman:
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[QUOTE=post;15019671]rudy gobert
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draymond green
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kawhi leonard
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alex caruso
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nate mcmillan
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Best defensive player in toughest era to defend. Tough times for the trolls
Putting a Rudy / dray combo in there instead of like Hakeem / Rodman, or Wilt / Garnett, or Russell / Duncan is a travesty and eliminates your all time defensive team from contention.
Draymond and gobert both guard in space while not being able to touch the opponent. The old guys didnt have to do that
Gobert there is a fvcking joke, I'd prob go something like
Payton
Jordan
Pippen
KG
Russell
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15019698]Draymond and gobert both guard in space while not being able to touch the opponent. The old guys didnt have to do that[/QUOTE]
Hakeem and Rodman and Garnett and Russell could easily guard in space.
Duncan and Wilt could too... do you seriously think Gobert is more mobile than young Wilt Chamberlain? Guy had olympic level athleticism measurables while being half as goofy as Rudy from coordination perspective.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15019699]Gobert there is a fvcking joke[/quote]
He let luka run cicles over his team despite having hca during the 2024 west finals. Big yikes.
Old school basketball:
C - David Robinson
PF - Hakeem
SF - Kawhi
SG - Artest
PG - Payton
More individual defense oriented for that era on the perimeter
Modern 3 pt era all defensive team:
Center - Kevin Garnett
PF - Draymond Green
SF - Pippen
SG - Andre Iggy
PG - Peak Ben Simmons
Switch everything focused on big men who can protect the rim + switch picks effectively
A lot of "old school" centers would struggle with all these picks. I think Garnett and Draymond are the best combination of rim protection + pick and roll defense for this era.
Jason Kidd continues to be one of the most underrated defenders ever. People don't realize how impactful he was on that end.
Payton might have been a better man defender, but defense in general is mostly team compared to man and Kidd was the superior team/help defender who was also more versatile, could guard 1-3.
ben wallace
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matisse thybulle
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[QUOTE=post;15019715]ben wallace
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matisse thybulle
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chuck hayes
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shane battier
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andre roberson
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[QUOTE=tpols;15019700]Hakeem and Rodman and Garnett and Russell could easily guard in space.
Duncan and Wilt could too... do you seriously think Gobert is more mobile than young Wilt Chamberlain? Guy had olympic level athleticism measurables while being half as goofy as Rudy from coordination perspective.[/QUOTE]
They may have been able to. We never saw it. They also could grab their opponent
gobert/wallace
green/hayes
leonard/battier
thybulle/roberson
caruso/mcmillan
david robinson
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kevin garnett
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paul george
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tony allen
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chris paul
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gobert/wallace/robinson
green/hayes/garnett
leonard/battier/george
thybulle/allen/roberson
caruso/mcmillan/paul
You could LEGIT have an all-time defensive team of just Pistons.
Ben Wallace
Dennis Rodman
Tayshaun Prince
Ausar Thompson
Joe Dumars
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Gobert/malone/ak/dunn/stockton
Hendricks and collier potentially
I mentioned this is another defensive thread floating around.
Dave DeBusschere, how good was he as a defender?
The first six years they selected All-Defensive Teams, he was not only 1st Team every season but had the most votes in four of them. The other two years came in 2nd behind Walt Frazier and 3rd behind Walt and Bill Russell.
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2nd Team
Hakeem
Draymond
Kawhi
Tony Allen
Frazier
(I'm labeling Duncan a center)
Draymond is a bitch compared to Dennis Rodman. What you think the R in my moniker stands for? I was JOR but got banned 20 years ago. Before that. I was on this site back in 1991 and I had to walk through snow to access it. Rodman is a real human. 100%. I don’t care what his daughter says. He named Madonna in her prime and he was homeless in Oklahoma before a coach found him randomly digging through the trash. The rest is history. It was written as Nas would say
[QUOTE=Carbine;15019709]Old school basketball:
C - David Robinson
PF - Hakeem
SF - Kawhi
SG - Artest
PG - Payton
More individual defense oriented for that era on the perimeter
Modern 3 pt era all defensive team:
Center - Kevin Garnett
PF - Draymond Green
SF - Pippen
SG - Andre Iggy
PG - Peak Ben Simmons
Switch everything focused on big men who can protect the rim + switch picks effectively
A lot of "old school" centers would struggle with all these picks. I think Garnett and Draymond are the best combination of rim protection + pick and roll defense for this era.[/QUOTE]
What a ***** putting Ben the bust Simmons on there put Gary Payton you b!tch white chocolate murked that ninja. I’d put Stockton before Simmons
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One of the few shaq respects. Payton, arguably, the best Point Guard ever tried to trip the white boy from West Virginia who went to high school with Randy Moss. The new gen is so soft with their pony tails and face tats that mean nothing. Ever hear of Chicago heights? I still can call up a vice lord like that but that’s west side. Everyone screams Latin kings but they were founded in Chicago, look it up fool. Hit em on division and the 4CH on wentworth. Nothing like asking 5 for 4 and you get a screwdriver to the neck