Hoops Hype top 79 Greatest Players in NBA History list.

[URL="https://*********.com/lists/79-greatest-nba-players-ever-*********-list/"]HOOPS HYPE TOP 79 LIST[/URL]

1 LeBron James
2 Michael Jordan
3 Lew Alcindor
4 Magic Johnson
5 Bill Russell
6 Wilt Chamberlain
7 Larry Bird
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Shaquille O'Neal
10 Tim Duncan
11 Hakeem Olajuwon
12 Kevin Durant
13 Stephen Curry
14 Oscar Robertson
15 Karl Malone
16 Moses Malone
17 Kevin Garnett
18 Jerry West
19 Dirk Nowitzki
20 Julius Erving
21 Elgin Baylor
22 Giannis Antetekoumpou
23 Nikola Jokic
24 Dwyane Wade
25 David Robinson
26 Charles Barkley
27 Isiah Thomas
28 Scottie Pippen
29 Chris Paul
30 John Havlicek
31 Allen Iverson
32 Bob Pettit
33 James Harden
34 Kawhi Leonard
35 John Stockton
36 Steve Nash
37 Patrick Ewing
38 Rick Barry
39 Bob Cousy
40 Jason Kidd
41 Elvin Hayes
42 Gary Payton
43 George Gervin
44 Anthony Davis
45 Dominique Wilkins
46 Clyde Drexler
47 George Mikan
48 Russell Westbrook
49 James Worthy
50 Carmelo Anthony
51 Paul Piece
52 Damian Lillard
53 Bob McAdoo
54 Reggie Miller
55 Kevin McHale
56 Wes Unseld
57 Ray Allen
58 Pau Gasol
59 Clyde Frazier
60 Robert Parish
61 Willis Reed
62 Dolph Schayes
63 Dwight Howard
64 Chris Bosh
65 Dennis Rodman
66 Nate Archibald
67 Pete Maravich
68 Dave Cowens
69 Tony Parker
70 Kyrie Irving
71 Vince Carter
72 Luka Doncic
73 Paul Arizin
74 Alex English
75 Bernard King
76 Earl Monroe
77 Joel Embiid
78 Tracy McGrady
79 Bill Walton



ALSO RECEIVING VOTES
Hal Greer, Draymond Green, Lenny Wilkens, Artis Gilmore, Adrian Dantley, Paul George, Klay Thompson, Nate Thurmond, Chris Webber, Sam Jones, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dikembe Mutombo, Manu Ginobili, Jayson Tatum, Jerry Lucas, Dave Bing, Jimmy Butler, Alonzo Mourning, Bob Lanier, Dennis Johnson, Joe Dumars, Jamaal Wilkes, Bill Sharman, Bobby Jones, Robert Horry, Derrick Rose, Billy Cunningham and Dave DeBusschere

Durant too high; he should be below Curry. Duncan too low. O'Neal should be above Kobe.

Tbh, that's probably the most respectable list I've ever seen :lol No list is perfect, so the rankings I think were truly bad

Guys ranked way too high: Baylor, Iverson, Melo, Dame, Unseld, Bosh

Guys ranked way too low: Frazier, Reed, Dwight, Luka, McGrady

And I feel like Butler & PG were shafted

Switch Duncan and Kobe, and KD with Oscar.

Karl Malone 11 spots above Charles Barkley is ridiculous. Affects overall list credibility.


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[QUOTE=jayfan;15021303]Karl Malone 11 spots above Charles Barkley is ridiculous. Affects overall list credibility.


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11 thousand more points will do that for you.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021310]11 thousand more points will do that for you.[/QUOTE]

13 thousand more, actually. And 403 more games played.


Lazy list.

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Whoever voted for Robert Horry needs to be revealed.
Never got an All-NBA vote, but gets a vote for a top 79 player of All-Time.

ALSO RECEIVING VOTES
[QUOTE] Nate Thurmond, Jimmy Butler, Dennis Johnson,[/QUOTE]

That's crazy they didn't make the cut

But there two orders are downright criminal...
[QUOTE]
44 Anthony Davis
56 Wes Unseld
60 Robert Parish
61 Willis Reed
79 Bill Walton[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]48 Russell Westbrook
52 Damian Lillard
57 Ray Allen
66 Nate Archibald
67 Pete Maravich
70 Kyrie Irving
72 Luka Doncic [/QUOTE]

I can understand Kyrie and Doncic being ranked over Tiny and Pistol but Dame and Ray...and saying Russ the guy that no team wanted after 30.

And then these just really insult me..

9 Shaquille O'Neal over 20 Julius Erving
12 Kevin Durant over 18 Jerry West
28 Scottie Pippen pver 47 George Mikan
36 Steve Nash over 59 Clyde Frazier

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021298]
22 Giannis Antetokounmpo
23 Nikola Jokic
24 Dwyane Wade[/QUOTE]

No way is Wade below those two as it stands right now.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15021334]No way is Wade below those two as it stands right now.[/QUOTE]
Seriously bro, "no way" :lol

What's this ironclad argument over them besides 2nd option rings.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15021335]Seriously bro, "no way" :lol

What's this ironclad argument over them besides 2nd option rings.[/QUOTE]

Nothings "ironclad", its just a bunch of douchebags talking shit online. However if Jokic and Giannis didnt play another NBA game from now, I'd have Wade over both of them all-time. More rings, more iconic moments, better Finals run, much better to watch etc.

[QUOTE=John8204;15021332]ALSO RECEIVING VOTES


That's crazy they didn't make the cut

But there two orders are downright criminal...




I can understand Kyrie and Doncic being ranked over Tiny and Pistol but Dame and Ray...and saying Russ the guy that no team wanted after 30.

And then these just really insult me..

9 Shaquille O'Neal over 20 Julius Erving
12 Kevin Durant over 18 Jerry West
28 Scottie Pippen pver 47 George Mikan
36 Steve Nash over 59 Clyde Frazier[/QUOTE]
Sam Jones, Hal Greer and Dave Bing should probably be over Pistol and Earl Monroe. They didn't even make the list.

Right off the bat, they immediately tell you that the list is a joke. No need to further scroll down.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021298][URL="https://*********.com/lists/79-greatest-nba-players-ever-*********-list/"]HOOPS HYPE TOP 79 LIST[/URL]

1 LeBron James
2 Michael Jordan
3 Lew Alcindor
4 Magic Johnson
5 Bill Russell
6 Wilt Chamberlain
7 Larry Bird
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Shaquille O'Neal
10 Tim Duncan
11 Hakeem Olajuwon
12 Kevin Durant
13 Stephen Curry
14 Oscar Robertson
15 Karl Malone
16 Moses Malone
17 Kevin Garnett
18 Jerry West
19 Dirk Nowitzki
20 Julius Erving
21 Elgin Baylor
22 Giannis Antetekoumpou
23 Nikola Jokic
24 Dwyane Wade
25 David Robinson
26 Charles Barkley
27 Isiah Thomas
28 Scottie Pippen
29 Chris Paul
30 John Havlicek
31 Allen Iverson
32 Bob Pettit
33 James Harden
34 Kawhi Leonard
35 John Stockton
36 Steve Nash
37 Patrick Ewing
38 Rick Barry
39 Bob Cousy
40 Jason Kidd
41 Elvin Hayes
42 Gary Payton
43 George Gervin
44 Anthony Davis
45 Dominique Wilkins
46 Clyde Drexler
47 George Mikan
48 Russell Westbrook
49 James Worthy
50 Carmelo Anthony
51 Paul Piece
52 Damian Lillard
53 Bob McAdoo
54 Reggie Miller
55 Kevin McHale
56 Wes Unseld
57 Ray Allen
58 Pau Gasol
59 Clyde Frazier
60 Robert Parish
61 Willis Reed
62 Dolph Schayes
63 Dwight Howard
64 Chris Bosh
65 Dennis Rodman
66 Nate Archibald
67 Pete Maravich
68 Dave Cowens
69 Tony Parker
70 Kyrie Irving
71 Vince Carter
72 Luka Doncic
73 Paul Arizin
74 Alex English
75 Bernard King
76 Earl Monroe
77 Joel Embiid
78 Tracy McGrady
79 Bill Walton



ALSO RECEIVING VOTES
Hal Greer, Draymond Green, Lenny Wilkens, Artis Gilmore, Adrian Dantley, Paul George, Klay Thompson, Nate Thurmond, Chris Webber, Sam Jones, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dikembe Mutombo, Manu Ginobili, Jayson Tatum, Jerry Lucas, Dave Bing, Jimmy Butler, Alonzo Mourning, Bob Lanier, Dennis Johnson, Joe Dumars, Jamaal Wilkes, Bill Sharman, Bobby Jones, Robert Horry, Derrick Rose, Billy Cunningham and Dave DeBusschere[/QUOTE]
Completely offensive to deadname the GOAT

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15021299]Durant too high; he should be below Curry. Duncan too low. O'Neal should be above Kobe.[/QUOTE]

This

and obviously lbj and jordan

[QUOTE=Gudo;15021517]Right off the bat, they immediately tell you that the list is a joke. No need to further scroll down.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021487]Sam Jones, Hal Greer and Dave Bing should probably be over Pistol and Earl Monroe. They didn't even make the list.[/QUOTE]

Maravich was the top SG for like 5 years in the league so I would have him in my top fifty even if he didn't have team success. Bing only makes these lists because of all the good he did for the guys post career. Jones and Greer should belong over Monroe

Lebron being first invalidates the list. He should be 6th or 7th. KD is too high and Giannis, zero ball skills, is WAYYY too high

Few observations, more so in the 30-79 spots

Lillard over Walt Frazier is a joke

Worthy over guys like Carmelo, Pierce, McHale, McAdoo seems wrong

Dwight Howard should be ranked ahead of Parish & Gasol

If Rodman is on the list, so should Draymond

Would knock down Iverson a few spots

But overall, not a bad list compared to others.

I feel like Iverson, Lillard, & Worthy were rated way too high.

Walt Frazier & Dwight should move up some spots.

Is it me, or has Magic started creeping up into top 4 on more of these lists recently? Seems like a decade or so ago he was more like 6-7th. I also feel like there aren't 3 spots between Magic and Bird. Many( myself included) feel Bird was the better peak performer, Magic mostly overtaking him after Larry's back injury in 88. Or they use the finals record as a tie-breaker in Magic's favor. I don't know...it just feels wrong to have them separated by 3 spots regardless of who you rank higher. They're too intrinsically tied to each other's careers for their rankings to not be neck and neck ( if Bird is 7th than Magic is 6th).

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15021720]Is it me, or has Magic started creeping up into top 4 on more of these lists recently? Seems like a decade or so ago he was more like 6-7th. I also feel like there aren't 3 spots between Magic and Bird. Many( myself included) feel Bird was the better peak performer, Magic mostly overtaking him after Larry's back injury in 88. Or they use the finals record as a tie-breaker in Magic's favor. I don't know...it just feels wrong to have them separated by 3 spots regardless of who you rank higher. They're too intrinsically tied to each other's careers for their rankings to not be neck and neck ( if Bird is 7th than Magic is 6th).[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I never understood the logic of the gaps either.

When it comes to Bird/Magic I would guess that around 70% of fans and experts have it as a coin flip with maybe 15% coming down on Bird and 15% coming down on Magic.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15021720]Is it me, or has Magic started creeping up into top 4 on more of these lists recently? Seems like a decade or so ago he was more like 6-7th. I also feel like there aren't 3 spots between Magic and Bird. Many( myself included) feel Bird was the better peak performer, Magic mostly overtaking him after Larry's back injury in 88. Or they use the finals record as a tie-breaker in Magic's favor. I don't know...it just feels wrong to have them separated by 3 spots regardless of who you rank higher. They're too intrinsically tied to each other's careers for their rankings to not be neck and neck ( if Bird is 7th than Magic is 6th).[/QUOTE]

Well honestly Magic and bird both were often in the 4-6 spots before this last generation pushed them out a bit to varying degrees. I think its just magic gaining some ground back. What's most intriguing to me is how guys general rankings can shuffle up and down the top 10 without having played in decades. Kinda pulls the curtain back on how often goalposts shift from era to era.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15021758]Agreed. I never understood the logic of the gaps either.

When it comes to Bird/Magic I would guess that around 70% of fans and experts have it as a coin flip with maybe 15% coming down on Bird and 15% coming down on Magic.[/QUOTE]

I always tgought they were sumilar. Only o. Ish did i come to find vird was supposedly always better in everyones mind

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15021765]Well honestly Magic and bird both were often in the 4-6 spots before this last generation pushed them out a bit to varying degrees. I think its just magic gaining some ground back.[B] What's most intriguing to me is how guys general rankings can shuffle up and down the top 10 without having played in decades.[/B] Kinda pulls the curtain back on how often goalposts shift from era to era.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's what I mean. I don't know how someone's ranking can go up decades after they've finishes playing. Granted, its also different groups of people doing these rankings so there's gonna be some variances. Case in point, some of the people who voted on the ESPN top 50 list in 2016 probably didn't vote on whenever they did the last list( around 2022 I think)? But it does seem like Magic had been taken out of top 4 for the most part, so it's really interesting seeing him trend up with what you'd assume to be newer( and younger voters) who didn't likely see him play in real-time. As time passes these things continue to get re-contextualized, but there seems to be a generally understand top 10. You'll have most still put MJ at the top, you'll have some putting Lebron there( like this list), and guys like Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq etc will swap places depending on what day of the week it is lol.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15021720]They're too intrinsically tied to each other's careers for their rankings to not be neck and neck ( if Bird is 7th than Magic is 6th).[/QUOTE]

Agree with this. Whether you have Magic over Bird, Bird over Magic or them 4th/5th or 7th/8th, they both have to be one after the other. No exceptions.

RE Shaq and Kobe. It makes no sense Kobe being ahead of Shaq. None. Even ignoring the fact that Shaq was the best player when they were on the same team, no-one, not one person anywhere who is being truthful with no agenda is taking Kobe over Shaq in an all-time draft.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15021765]Well honestly Magic and bird both were often in the 4-6 spots before this last generation pushed them out a bit to varying degrees. I think its just magic gaining some ground back. What's most intriguing to me is how guys general rankings can shuffle up and down the top 10 without having played in decades. Kinda pulls the curtain back on how often goalposts shift from era to era.[/QUOTE]
That would actually be Reggie Miller.
He's listed at number 54 greatest player of All-Time.
That basically means they think he was top 25 player, 25 year. They have him ranked higher than over half of the original NBA at 50 players list lol.
I'm sure in the next ten years he'll be entertaining the top 40 All-Time list. Congratulations on moving up without even playing lol.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15021815]That would actually be Reggie Miller.
He's listed at number 54 greatest player of All-Time.
That basically means they think he was top 25 player, 25 year. They have him ranked higher than over half of the original NBA at 50 players list lol.
I'm sure in the next ten years he'll be entertaining the top 40 All-Time list. Congratulations on moving up without even playing lol.[/QUOTE]

To be fair the original list came out in 96 and after that Miller added to his resume 4 Eastern Finals stints and even lead his team to the Finals in 2000.

I know he is ranked higher than he should be but so are a ton of other guys not just him.

[QUOTE=Reggie43;15021832]To be fair the original list came out in 96 and after that Miller added to his resume 4 Eastern Finals stints and even lead his team to the Finals in 2000.

I know he is ranked higher than he should be but so are a ton of other guys not just him.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't surpassed anyone on the original list but they have him over Willis Reed and Walt Frazier and Sam Jones just to name a few.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15021791]Agree with this. Whether you have Magic over Bird, Bird over Magic or them 4th/5th or 7th/8th, they both have to be one after the other. No exceptions.

RE Shaq and Kobe. [B]It makes no sense Kobe being ahead of Shaq.[/B] None. Even ignoring the fact that Shaq was the best player when they were on the same team, no-one, not one person anywhere who is being truthful with no agenda is taking Kobe over Shaq in an all-time draft.[/QUOTE]

I have Kobe, Duncan, Dirk and KG over "Shaq". Kobe is clearly the second best SG of all-time while Shaq is borderline top ten C. Shaq was a flop in the great center era he got swept more than any other great never averaged 30 PPG in a regular season and was a cancer to multiple teammates, coaches, and organizations. Shaq is a celebrity who made a lot of money on an image but as a player he definitely does not belong in a top ten and he's not in my top twenty.

And for me...it's Bird/Kareem/Magic at 4-5-6

[QUOTE=John8204;15021847]I have Kobe, Duncan, Dirk and KG over "Shaq". Kobe is clearly the second best SG of all-time [B]while Shaq is borderline top ten C.[/B] Shaq was a flop in the great center era he got swept more than any other great never averaged 30 PPG in a regular season and was a cancer to multiple teammates, coaches, and organizations. Shaq is a celebrity who made a lot of money on an image but as a player he definitely does not belong in a top ten [B]and he's not in my top twenty. [/B]

And for me...it's Bird/Kareem/Magic at 4-5-6[/QUOTE]
Sharp as a bowling ball as usual.

[QUOTE=RRR3;15021848]Sharp as a bowling ball as usual.[/QUOTE]

And you choose to ignore everything I said in between...that is fact based and gets you buster browns in a not over my opinion. I'd rip you for your opinions but I don't know what they are nor do I care.

[QUOTE=John8204;15021897]And you choose to ignore everything I said in between...that is fact based and gets you buster browns in a not over my opinion. I'd rip you for your opinions but I don't know what they are nor do I care.[/QUOTE]

Hi, its me again. Here to call you out on your anti-Shaq bullshit.

The problem isn't with your 'facts', it's the extreme conclusions. Nobody ignores your talking points, they're just hyper-critical and double standards in some cases. Those critiques you use against Shaq are legit criticisms for why he wouldn't be a viable GOAT candidate, not going to the ridiculous extremes of saying he's not even a top 20 player. You could nitpick any number of players for losing in situations they shouldn't have, being swept, not reaching some arbitrary number, or weren't great teammates/coachable. I could just as easily use your 'facts' to say that Hakeem never averaged 30 in a season, was a malcontent at one point until he committed to Islam, and had 5 first round exits in the 80s. At least when Shaq was getting swept, in 94 Indiana went to the ECFs, in 95 in the finals to Houston, in 96 to a GOAT level Bulls team, in 98 to a Utah team that made it to game 6 of the finals, and in 99 to a Spurs team that won the whole thing. Hakeem got bounced in the first round on 2 occasions to teams who didn't even make the conference finals that year, in 88 to Seattle,in 90 to the Lakers, both gentleman sweeps by the way. Oh, and as defending champion in 96 got swept out of the playoffs by the Sonics averaging 18ppg/10rpg on 52% TS( season average that year was 27ppg/11rpg on 56% TS, in case you were wondering about the drop-off). Game 1 he scored 6 points on 3/9 shooting, grabbed 4 rebounds and 1 block.

I could use as easily say Hakeem doesn't deserve to be top 15 and use the same 'I have a right to my opinion 'schtick' that you do ( I'm a Hakeem fan for the record, but I'm making a point). And it would be just as dumb and extreme an opinion, taking into account the totality of his career, and equally deserving of being called out on it.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;15021915]Hi, its me again. Here to call you out on your anti-Shaq bullshit.

The problem isn't with your 'facts', it's the extreme conclusions. Nobody ignores your talking points, they're just hyper-critical and double standards in some cases. Those critiques you use against Shaq are legit criticisms for why he wouldn't be a viable GOAT candidate, not going to the ridiculous extremes of saying he's not even a top 20 player. You could nitpick any number of players for losing in situations they shouldn't have, being swept, not reaching some arbitrary number, or weren't great teammates/coachable. I could just as easily use your 'facts' to say that Hakeem never averaged 30 in a season, was a malcontent at one point until he committed to Islam, and had 5 first round exits in the 80s. At least when Shaq was getting swept, in 94 Indiana went to the ECFs, in 95 in the finals to Houston, in 96 to a GOAT level Bulls team, in 98 to a Utah team that made it to game 6 of the finals, and in 99 to a Spurs team that won the whole thing. Hakeem got bounced in the first round on 2 occasions to teams who didn't even make the conference finals that year, in 88 to Seattle,in 90 to the Lakers, both gentleman sweeps by the way. Oh, and as defending champion in 96 got swept out of the playoffs by the Sonics averaging 18ppg/10rpg on 52% TS( season average that year was 27ppg/11rpg on 56% TS, in case you were wondering about the drop-off). Game 1 he scored 6 points on 3/9 shooting, grabbed 4 rebounds and 1 block.

I could use as easily say Hakeem doesn't deserve to be top 15 and use the same 'I have a right to my opinion 'schtick' that you do ( I'm a Hakeem fan for the record, but I'm making a point). And it would be just as dumb and extreme an opinion, taking into account the totality of his career, and equally deserving of being called out on it.[/QUOTE]
Every poster who bothers to reply to him has told him he's essentially trolling about Shaq but sure it's just me :lol

I see LeBron at 1, automatically a good list :applause:

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Jordan never beat any great team in the NBA finals. His competition is garbage. His record against super teams in the playoffs 0-6 vs Larry Bird. 1-3 vs Badboys Pistons.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;15022059]Jordan never beat any great team in the NBA finals. His competition is garbage. His record against super teams in the playoffs 0-6 vs Larry Bird. 1-3 vs Badboys Pistons.[/QUOTE]

You sound like an insecure little midget.


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[QUOTE=Full Court;15022061]You sound like an insecure little midget.


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You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.

[QUOTE=Lebron23;15022063]You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.[/QUOTE]

Did you know that Lebron has the most choke jobs of ALL TIME? And that nobody else comes close?

Keep crying, loser. :lol

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[QUOTE=Lebron23;15022063]You sound like an idiot. Jordan's competition is garbage just like your posting in this forum.[/QUOTE]

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