People finally waking up to 80's MJ being the goat athlete & GOAT

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People are waking up to the NBA gifting him fake steals during the '88 season.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?517940-MJ-s-1988-DPOY-is-now-being-quot-Questioned-quot-HOME-vs-ROAD-Steals-has-twice-as-much-Gap[/url]

People have been actually saying this for decades. Consequently, I don't know what you mean with "waking up".

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15025805]People are waking up to the NBA gifting him fake steals during the '88 season.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?517940-MJ-s-1988-DPOY-is-now-being-quot-Questioned-quot-HOME-vs-ROAD-Steals-has-twice-as-much-Gap[/url][/QUOTE]

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Bitch is SHOOK.

Keep on crying, Dudley. :lol

Yeah 80s Mj was like an alien to the league. Theres only been a few that have visual broken the optics of the league. And he came in at a time where there hadn't been a player with that type of flair in a long time. When the NBA got Dr.J he wasn't at that mythical level he was in the ABA. So Mj was the anomaly of his time. I actually got something else intriguing out of this clip, not what you intended for sure.

[QUOTE=Gil]I watch the 55 game, in the garden.....boring. oh this is boring basketball,right? you know, like one two pull up. okay oh you gonna make all those, right? you know John Starks, he playing defense like this. Like why you you keep getting beat? because obviously all
your all your momentum is on your toes brother right it's easy to burn past this and then he just one two pull up[/QUOTE]

Wasn't Starks supposed to be one of Mjs toughest rivals? And his defense was all wrong for Mj on a fundamental level. Wow. And that's not to say him being in a proper stance woulda done much better because he wasn't on Mjs level anyway.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15025838]Yeah 80s Mj was like an alien to the league. Theres only been a few that have visual broken the optics of the league. And he came in at a time where there hadn't been a player with that type of flair in a long time. When the NBA got Dr.J he wasn't at that mythical level he was in the ABA. So Mj was the anomaly of his time. I actually got something else intriguing out of this clip, not what you intended for sure.



Wasn't Starks supposed to be one of Mjs toughest rivals? And his defense was all wrong for Mj on a fundamental level. Wow. And that's not to say him being in a proper stance woulda done much better because he wasn't on Mjs level anyway.[/QUOTE]


Gil and everyone on the panel said that they forgot about 80's MJ, and when they went back recently and watched footage of 80's Jordan, they quickly realized that he's the best athlete that basketball has ever seen...

Btw, there are only 2 mega athletes among today's All-NBA selections - Giannis and Ant - but the Jordan's era had Dominique, Clyde, Barkley, MJ, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Pippen, Kemp - this is all from 1994.. So today's athletes aren't better - you've simply been fed a bag of lies, which you ate up like Turkey on Thanksgiving - stuffing and gravy all over your face.. MJ is the goat athlete of basketball - it's confirmed by Gil's Arena and simple logic (the aforementioned All-NBA teams).. oh, and the eye test, lol

[QUOTE=3ba11;15025878]Gil and everyone on the panel said that they forgot about 80's MJ, and when they went back recently and watched footage of 80's Jordan, they quickly realized that he's the best athlete that basketball has ever seen...

Btw, there are only 2 mega athletes among today's All-NBA selections - Giannis and Ant - but the Jordan's era had Dominique, Clyde, Barkley, MJ, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Pippen, Kemp - this is all from 1994.. So today's athletes aren't better - you've simply been fed a bag of lies, which you ate up like Turkey on Thanksgiving - stuffing and gravy all over your face.. MJ is the goat athlete of basketball - it's confirmed by Gil's Arena and simple logic (the aforementioned All-NBA teams).. oh, and the eye test, lol[/QUOTE]

Id still wouldn't forget about Wilt or Lebron, Wilt was literally a track star. Even Shaq has a seat at that table. Mj definitely got the agility over all 3. Power is Shaq or Wilt, endurance is probably Wilt or Lebron. They both had a really high motor. All of em had quick twitch muscle. Only one that has both the speed and power is the guy still playing today. And I mean we've got modern freaks that are standout athletic Zion is crazy even if he never lives up to his potential.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15025838]Yeah 80s Mj was like an alien to the league. Theres only been a few that have visual broken the optics of the league. And he came in at a time where there hadn't been a player with that type of flair in a long time. When the NBA got Dr.J he wasn't at that mythical level he was in the ABA. So Mj was the anomaly of his time. I actually got something else intriguing out of this clip, not what you intended for sure.



Wasn't Starks supposed to be one of Mjs toughest rivals? And his defense was all wrong for Mj on a fundamental level. Wow. And that's not to say him being in a proper stance woulda done much better because he wasn't on Mjs level anyway.[/QUOTE]

Learn how to play basketball

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15025911]Learn how to play basketball[/QUOTE]

Learn how to post

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15025918]Learn how to post[/QUOTE]
Tough to do that with crippling crack and meth addictions.

Oh thats what it is? Hes been quite a bleeding bitch around here the last few days :oldlol:

Elgin Baylor was doing that 30 year prior, while tweaking mid-motion.

Teague said he used to think Kobe played like MJ but then watching 80s MJ said they were not alike.

Yes, Kobe played like old MJ, he never had the athleticism of young MJ. That's what's crazy about MJ, he was like prime Vince Carter jumping, speed of Allen Iverson AND the shooting of Kobe.

It did not look like a boring game to me.

[video=youtube_share;TMvj2Hy5q5E]https://youtu.be/TMvj2Hy5q5E[/video]

When someone is a hater, they tend to not want to watch anything positive regarding the hated player. And typically find excuses, be dismissive for anything positive. It could be for Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, etc. The only thing is that he couldn't deny Jordan's athleticism in the 80s. Since he's being positive about one thing, he has to throw in a criticism of something else.

[QUOTE=jstern;15026012]It did not look like a boring game to me.

[video=youtube_share;TMvj2Hy5q5E]https://youtu.be/TMvj2Hy5q5E[/video]

When someone is a hater, they tend to not want to watch anything positive regarding the hated player. And typically find excuses, be dismissive for anything positive. It could be for Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, etc. The only thing is that he couldn't deny Jordan's athleticism in the 80s. Since he's being positive about one thing, he has to throw in a criticism of something else.[/QUOTE]

Bingo! But what can you expect from a lebron stan?

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15025981]Elgin Baylor was doing that 30 year prior, while tweaking mid-motion.[/QUOTE]

Without carrying the ball they say....

This bum got worked by Kenny Rogers and a Wallstreet banker. No wonder his bumass went back to selling shoes.

Most people cling to the early 90's portion of MJ's career in terms of his prime, that period where he still had most of this athleticism but also had a much improved all around game.

But to this day whenever I watch MJ highlights, I am equally impressed by his 96-98 years. He didn't have that crazy hang time anymore but those years show his peak mastery of the chess game. He dominates his opponent purely on his wits and skill.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15026055]Most people cling to the early 90's portion of MJ's career in terms of his prime, that period where he still had most of this athleticism but also had a much improved all around game.

But to this day whenever I watch MJ highlights, I am equally impressed by his 96-98 years. He didn't have that crazy hang time anymore but those years show his peak mastery of the chess game. He dominates his opponent purely on his wits and skill.[/QUOTE]

2nd 3peat was always my favorite part of his career.

[QUOTE=pandiani17;15025824]People have been actually saying this for decades. Consequently, I don't know what you mean with "waking up".[/QUOTE]

Nah. As time has gone on, early-Mike has fallen further into the background while 6-for-6 Mike stays in the forefront.

Youngsters have no idea what kind of stuff mid-80's Mike was doing on the court.

Can somebody remind me what his playoff record was in the 80s

Was pretty decent right?

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15025838]Yeah 80s Mj was like an alien to the league. Theres only been a few that have visual broken the optics of the league. And he came in at a time where there hadn't been a player with that type of flair in a long time. When the NBA got Dr.J he wasn't at that mythical level he was in the ABA. So Mj was the anomaly of his time. I actually got something else intriguing out of this clip, not what you intended for sure.



Wasn't Starks supposed to be one of Mjs toughest rivals? And his defense was all wrong for Mj on a fundamental level. Wow. And that's not to say him being in a proper stance woulda done much better because he wasn't on Mjs level anyway.[/QUOTE]

I know what Gilbert meant, but you think being flat footed is the proper stance? Of course you have to be on your toes. The problem was that Starks tried to play defense similar to Payton in '96. Get into the hips and deny Jordan of driving where he wants to. For Payton it worked out well the games Karl put him on MJ and Stark also had fames where he held Jordan to subaverage numbers, but more often than not Jordan's combination of quickness and strength would offset anything Starks tried.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15026227]I know what Gilbert meant, but you think being flat footed is the proper stance? Of course you have to be on your toes. [B]The problem was that Starks tried to play defense similar to Payton in '96. Get into the hips and deny Jordan of driving where he wants to[/B]. For Payton it worked out well the games Karl put him on MJ and Stark also had fames where he held Jordan to subaverage numbers, but more often than not Jordan's combination of quickness and strength would offset anything Starks tried.[/QUOTE]

Guys who were like 6'3-6'4 pretty much had to play 'in your shorts' type defense against MJ, not just Starks and Payton but also someone like Joe Dumars. Basically be close enough to make it uncomfortable like you're describing, because those guys physically/athletically couldn't match him. MJ presented the challenge of needing to either be defended by smaller, quicker footed defenders who don't have the verticality to contest his shot, or put taller defenders who typically were slower and thus MJ could blow past them. It wasn't until guys like Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill showed up in the mid 90s where you really had the taller, athletic wing defenders you could put on MJ, and by then he was at the end of his athletic prime and had mastered scoring more through craft and experience.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15026227]I know what Gilbert meant, but you think being flat footed is the proper stance? Of course you have to be on your toes. The problem was that Starks tried to play defense similar to Payton in '96. Get into the hips and deny Jordan of driving where he wants to. For Payton it worked out well the games Karl put him on MJ and Stark also had fames where he held Jordan to subaverage numbers, but more often than not Jordan's combination of quickness and strength would offset anything Starks tried.[/QUOTE]

I watched some of the '93 series and thought Starks did a great job on MJ. Jordan by that point was losing some of his athleticism.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15026243]I watched some of the '93 series and thought Starks did a great job on MJ. Jordan by that point was losing some of his athleticism.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he could also afford to overplay him because of the wall of defense behind him. That 93 Knicks team was hell defensively.

[QUOTE=Overdrive;15026227]I know what Gilbert meant, but you think being flat footed is the proper stance? Of course you have to be on your toes. The problem was that Starks tried to play defense similar to Payton in '96. Get into the hips and deny Jordan of driving where he wants to. For Payton it worked out well the games Karl put him on MJ and Stark also had fames where he held Jordan to subaverage numbers, but more often than not Jordan's combination of quickness and strength would offset anything Starks tried.[/QUOTE]

See i actually interpreted it as him criticizing his balance in his stance. And Starks did have a bit of success here and there but im gonna say it was mostly due to the help support around him and being able to send him to Ewing and co.

80s Jordan:

GOATest athlete to ever lace up any sport, anywhere, anytime, any era, any planet, any galaxy, any milky way!

[video=youtube;NS-0XPRt8lU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-0XPRt8lU[/video]

[QUOTE=gengiskhan;15026259]80s Jordan:

GOATest athlete to ever lace up any sport, anywhere, anytime, any era, any planet, any galaxy, any milky way!

[video=youtube;NS-0XPRt8lU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS-0XPRt8lU[/video][/QUOTE]

Lebron's stiff-arming and clunky traveling are several skill levels below Jordan. If they had played in the same era, Lebron wouldn't even be allowed to wash Jordan's jock strap.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15026067]2nd 3peat was always my favorite part of his career.[/QUOTE]


And Lebron knows nothing about that.