Chauncey Billiups and Rozier got arrested by the FBI on gambling charges.

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Between this and Kawhi, David Stern would be kicking the league's ass right now. Adam Silver is just going to continue to be a *****.

I thought the Rozier investigation was over But apparently not. I didn’t even hear about Billups. This is escalating rather quickly…

They can’t put the genie back in the bottle. The gambling is legal and that’s that. So there will always be money available to people willing to get it but damn…

How much money makes it worth it for a guy who made 100 million, has a 7 figure coaching job, and a locked up 200K a year pension to retire on?

Maybe the “mob” had something on him?

Whatever it is..I’m sure it’s just the start.

We knew about Rozier. Sad to hear this about Billups.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15038939]I thought the Rozier investigation was over But apparently not. I didn’t even hear about Billups. This is escalating rather quickly…

They can’t put the genie back in the bottle. The gambling is legal and that’s that. So there will always be money available to people willing to get it but damn…

How much money makes it worth it for a guy who made 100 million, has a 7 figure coaching job, and a locked up 200K a year pension to retire on?

Maybe the “mob” had something on him?

Whatever it is..I’m sure it’s just the start.[/QUOTE]

Jordan made far more than that and he had a major gambling problem and you know damn good and well that's why he stepped away from the game for a year.

Taking inflation into account Jordan was probably making that in 1 year and he STILL had a problem.

Gambling problems aren't just for people that have $5 in their checking account.

Manipulation of Minutes to guarantee a payout isn’t gambling. It isn’t gambling if you can just decide the outcome. A coach can absolutely make himself win. It’s not gambling if Jordan could just have someone walk up to the hole and lay his ball next to it. It’s just scamming.

Unless your suggestion is, he got behind gambling on other things and whoever he’s in debt to forced him to rig Something for them. Which could be one of the things someone could have on him that I speculated about.

This wouldn’t be regular gambling addiction shit. It would be a convoluted criminal Enterprise. Of course, if they have proof, he would have to go the gambling addiction route and claim he needed help and all that, but it wouldn’t be that simple in reality I suspect.

Yeah, you're right.

Also I was wrong about Jordan making that much in 1993. His big paydays didn't start till the second threepeat.

Anyways...

We'll have to see the exact outcomes of the criminal proceedings to know what they did, but yes, if they are fixing games that is scamming.

I'm sure Jordan was more like Pete Rose. Always betting on himself to win.

wtf

**It seems that the Billups stuff is about illegal poker games rather than nba games.**


But we'll see.

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I’ll wait for more information. Malik Beasley lost millions and charges were dropped

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If they’re really gonna spend half a year grabbing up athletes for involvement in the executive games I know Tony is rolling in his grave.

Just cheap headlines.

I almost hope it’s real gambling. If it’s poker it’s a total waste of the governments investment almost no matter who else they catch in the net.

Even “real” criminals…you should be able to catch them doing something real.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038953]I’ll wait for more information. Malik Beasley lost millions and charges were dropped[/QUOTE]

Abc is saying it’s a mafia related poker game and rozier is a separate but related case.

Theyre really out here breaking up poker games and calling it news.

[QUOTE=jayfan;15038946]**It seems that the Billups stuff is about illegal poker games rather than nba games.**


But we'll see.

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If that is the case this is a nothing burger, for a second I for sure thought Billups was gambling on games Pete Rose style.

They got Damon Jones too.


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The director of the fbi is really about to get on tv and tell us they spent millions to catch nba people playing poker in mob backed games.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15038956]If that is the case this is a nothing burger, for a second I for sure thought Billups was gambling on games Pete Rose style.[/QUOTE]

Sorta depends.

If this stuff all stems from before he was head coach of the Blazers, I agree the "illegal poker" really isnt a big deal at all. To me anyway.

If he was doing this after he became head coach, regardless of how innocuous the crime may be, it shows an absurd lack of judgement and priorities to risk this kind of embarrassment to play poker.

So IMO the timeline/recency of it is the biggest question.

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Jordan and alot of you old timers would be absolutely cooked today. :lol Society is so much stricter now.

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15038958]Sorta depends.

If this stuff all stems from before he was head coach of the Blazers, I agree the "illegal poker" really isnt a big deal at all. To me anyway.

If he was doing this after he became head coach, regardless of how innocuous the crime may be, it shows an absurd lack of judgement and priorities to risk this kind of embarrassment to play poker.

So IMO the timeline/recency of it is the biggest question.[/QUOTE]


I don’t know. What group of rich and powerful people with jobs in the public eye would you say don’t play cards or gamble on activities with friends?

I’m sure those activities go far higher than nba coaches

[QUOTE=tpols;15038961]Jordan and alot of you old timers would be absolutely cooked today. :lol Society is so much stricter now.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know if society is stricter or we just have people in power looking for media headlines. 30 or 40 years ago a lot of people acted like gambling was morally wrong. Like you were a bad person. We couldn’t bet money on anything around my grandma. They used to talk about somebody’s gambling husband, like he was a drug addict. He was the shame of the family.

There were church groups opposed to state lotteries specifically benefiting education.

Society doesn’t mind gambling anymore.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15038955]Abc is saying it’s a mafia related poker game and rozier is a separate but related case.

Theyre really out here breaking up poker games and calling it news.[/QUOTE]

Word. Waste of resources and man power.

The FBI needs to be abolished.

But just to argue. Why do people let degenerate gamblers off the hook and no one else?

If you’re a drug addict, alcoholic, or womanizer you usually are called out for being a POS and ridiculed a little bit. Especially if arrested.

But gamblers face no heat.

Dudes like Barkley and Dana White can go on TV and talk about gambling away 100 million dollars like it’s nothing.

Lmao.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15038975]The FBI needs to be abolished.

But just to argue. Why do people let degenerate gamblers off the hook and no one else?

If you’re a drug addict, alcoholic, or womanizer you usually are called out for being a POS and ridiculed a little bit. Especially if arrested.

But gamblers face no heat.

Dudes like Barkley and Dana White can go on TV and talk about gambling away 100 million dollars like it’s nothing.

Lmao.[/QUOTE]

They get criticized about as much as folks who smoke cigs or drink alcohol. What more needs to be done?

Billups playing poker with the wrong people.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15038967]I don’t know if society is stricter or we just have people in power looking for media headlines. 30 or 40 years ago a lot of people acted like gambling was morally wrong. Like you were a bad person. We couldn’t bet money on anything around my grandma. They used to talk about somebody’s gambling husband, like he was a drug addict. He was the shame of the family.

There were church groups opposed to state lotteries specifically benefiting education.

Society doesn’t mind gambling anymore.[/QUOTE]

Uncontrolled gambling can wreck a family quicker than any drug can. Some guys lose their house or whole worth in a week and jump off a roof top. I believe gambling addiction has #1 suicide rate.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15038979]They get criticized about as much as folks who smoke cigs or drink alcohol. What more needs to be done?[/QUOTE]

Naw people like Barkley and Dana White can openly admit on TV to gambling away hundreds of millions of dollars like it’s nothing then tell everyone that they don’t care and will never stop.

When Charlie Sheen says the same crazy stuff about drugs and prostitutes people wig out.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15038985]Naw people like Barkley and Dana White can openly admit on TV to gambling away hundreds of millions of dollars like it’s nothing then tell everyone that they don’t care and will never stop.

When Charlie Sheen says the same crazy stuff about drugs and prostitutes people wig out.[/QUOTE]

No one wigs out over folks drinking alcohol, pushing/promoting it. Same deal with gambling. I’m confused.

Drug abuse and prostitution. That’s nasty business. But Sheens business. You want the moral compass adjusted to that is funny. Folks like Barkley are criticized for being “dumb”, “stupid” gambling away his bread. Not sure we need to turn the energy up louder.

[QUOTE=Wally450;15038981]Billups playing poker with the wrong people.[/QUOTE]He should exercise better judgment but at least he wasn't betting on the games he was coaching. That would have been a huge deal. Playing poker with the mob may have led to that one day but a poker game can be declared "illegal" if the host is taking a few bucks from the pot. There are people that have organized a poker night with friends in a way that the government would deem illegal and didn't even know it. I'm sure that Billups had an idea of who he was playing with and for that he was foolish but I don't like seeing what he did get lumped in with Rozier (not saying you are doing this, just speaking about general opinion). Based on what little we know right now it's different.

Tanking coming up in allegations. Maybe nba finally addresses this shit?

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038995]Tanking coming up in allegations. Maybe nba finally addresses this shit?[/QUOTE]
If the FBI is going to try and go after teams for tanking they would be going too far. Sometimes a team just sucks. If a team wins 40 games they're gonna send the owner coach and GM to prison?

They said the blazers tanked a game in 2023. They tanked the whole season. Hopefully it is enough for the nba to address it. It sucks!

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15038998]They said the blazers tanked a game in 2023. They tanked the whole season. Hopefully it is enough for the nba to address it. It sucks![/QUOTE]
Its one thing for a fan or fans to think a team is tanking. You and I can make such assumptions and it's no big deal. To involve the federal government and penal system is too much. If the Celtics start 1-5 and decide to trade Tatum and Brown should Brad Stevens be sent to prison? Several teams in every sport every year come to the decision that they can't win the championship and decide to make trade(s) that make their team worse in the short term. The FBI should be involved?

The nba is set up to force teams to tank. Needs to change.if it takes the fbi bringing it up for it to change than im all for it.

Apparently Billups was being paid to play in games where the mob was using technology to scam marks. All of the players but 1 were in on it, and they would work together (using tech) to coordinate to scam the mark. Allegedly they had hidden cameras, a card shuffler that counted cards, and x-rays in the table to read face-down cards. They bring in a celebrity to distract the mark.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15039003]The nba is set up to force teams to tank. Needs to change.if it takes the fbi bringing it up for it to change than im all for it.[/QUOTE]
So if the Bucks are offered 10 first round picks and cap space for Giannis they can't do the deal? Are we going to say that any trade that does not immediately improve a team is proof of tanking? Or just losing? That would be an extremely stupid application of law.

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15039006]Apparently Billups was being paid to play in games where the mob was using technology to scam marks. All of the players but 1 were in on it, and they would work together (using tech) to coordinate to scam the mark. Allegedly they had hidden cameras, a card shuffler that counted cards, and x-rays in the table to read face-down cards. They bring in a celebrity to distract the mark.[/QUOTE]
Alright, that's pretty scummy. A shame.

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;15039006]Apparently Billups was being paid to play in games where the mob was using technology to scam marks. All of the players but 1 were in on it, and they would work together (using tech) to coordinate to scam the mark. Allegedly they had hidden cameras, a card shuffler that counted cards, and x-rays in the table to read face-down cards. They bring in a celebrity to distract the mark.[/QUOTE]

Do you have a link to this?

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15039007]So if the Bucks are offered 10 first round picks and cap space for Giannis they can't do the deal? Are we going to say that any trade that does not immediately improve a team is proof of tanking? Or just losing? That would be an extremely stupid application of law.[/QUOTE]

To me tanking is playing guys that shouldnt be playing because you dont want to win. Jazz were playing williams last year when he should have been in gleague. Got fined for benching healthy lauri. Nba should be for proven nba players. Should be in gleague or elsewhere until they prove it

Austin ainge says they arent tanking this year. To me that just means they wont be sitting healthy vets. Instead they traded 2 of their best players and will have even more unproven pkayers on the floor or play 4 bigs. Tanking comes in many forms. Trading giannis isnt tanking if you still try to compete

Nba just put them all on leave. Not called a suspension probably for CBA reasons but they’re all out.