I haven't watched. I don't know. But, is Cooper Flagg dog shit compared to his hype?

Clearly he's athletic and will be in the league for many years but we've seen many athletic players throughout league history that made careers out of it but never really became true basketball players.

I have no idea, I haven't watched. I'm asking a question because I'm boxscore and highlight watching and he's not been impressive there.

Maybe he even ends up a star but a generational player? Doesn't look like it does he?

I guess posting in the cooper Flagg thread wasn’t an option. You don’t feel seen do you?

[QUOTE=GOBB;15041009]I guess posting in the cooper Flagg thread wasn’t an option. You don’t feel seen do you?[/QUOTE]

You are retarded.

They are trying to play him as a PG. I said months ago that wasnt going to work. His handles aren't on that level. He is a good passer but his handles aren't a strength. He is more of an off ball player.

Plus the spacing sucks in Dallas.

He has a good game and follows it with two bad ones, which is to be expected by an 18 year old. I would withhold judgement for now.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15041010]You are retarded.[/QUOTE]

Much like your thread

[QUOTE=GOBB;15041021]Much like your thread[/QUOTE]

OK but only one of us is being honest. Spoiler: me.

There was no Cooper topic on the first page.

By your logic, if we only allowed one thread per player, the site would simply not exist.

You are mixed races. You got the worst of the whites and the blacks. lol. Angry, unathletic, uncoordinated, stupid, ugly, blaming the sky on your personal problems, poor. Just straight Ls across the board.

Keep in mind Flagg is -40 with a 2-3 record through 5 games
LeBron was -43 with a 0-5 record through his first 5 games

Flagg has AD so it's not exactly apples to apples but way early to hit the panic button

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15041024]OK but only one of us is being honest. Spoiler: me.

There was no Cooper topic on the first page.

By your logic, if we only allowed one thread per player, the site would simply not exist.

You are mixed races. You got the worst of the whites and the blacks. lol. Angry, unathletic, uncoordinated, stupid, ugly, blaming the sky on your personal problems, poor. Just straight Ls across the board.[/QUOTE]

Damn you’re that lazy to check page 2 or even dare I say 3? It’s one page or bust. Heck with your short attention span you probably go 1/2 way down pg 1 before creating a thread. Yikes.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15041031]Damn you’re that lazy to check page 2 or even dare I say 3? It’s one page or bust. Heck with your short attention span you probably go 1/2 way down pg 1 before creating a thread. Yikes.[/QUOTE]

Retarded ape, lol.

5vgames and 18. Bust!:facepalm

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15041037]5vgames and 18. Bust!:facepalm[/QUOTE]

I didn't say he was a bust. I asked a question, idiot. I clearly said I haven't watched.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15041050]I didn't say he was a bust. I asked a question, idiot. I clearly said I haven't watched.[/QUOTE]


Well... you insinuated he was dog shit, mate. Or you asked with quite a negative loaded assumption. You cant see that?

Who knows hes only 18. Kobe was terrible at that age. Many were. Got to see how he develops. From the looks of it he can be a longer Gordon Hayward.

[QUOTE=tpols;15041060]Well... you insinuated he was dog shit, mate. Or you asked with quite a negative loaded assumption. You cant see that?

Who knows hes only 18. Kobe was terrible at that age. Many were. Got to see how he develops. From the looks of it he can be a longer Gordon Hayward.[/QUOTE]

Kobe was a rotation player on a good team in an era that still relied on vets more than kids. Hardly terrible. The 5th high schooler ever i think?

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15041061]Kobe was a rotation player on a good team in an era that still relied on vets more than kids. Hardly terrible. The 5th high schooler ever i think?[/QUOTE]

I mean he didnt produce well at all. Takes a few years to develop.

[quote][b]I haven't watched. I don't know. But, is Cooper Flagg [size=25][u]dog shit[/size][/u] compared to his hype[/b][/quote]
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15041061]Kobe was a rotation player on a good team in an era that still relied on vets more than kids. Hardly terrible. The 5th high schooler ever i think?[/QUOTE]
Well, he did benefit playing for a stacked team by the time his career started. But if he stayed with the hornets, then that wouldn't be the case at all.

[QUOTE=tpols;15041060]Well... you insinuated he was dog shit, mate. Or you asked with quite a negative loaded assumption. You cant see that?

Who knows hes only 18. Kobe was terrible at that age. Many were. Got to see how he develops. From the looks of it he can be a longer Gordon Hayward.[/QUOTE]

No, you're just as dense as the rest. I implied that his boxscore stats were dog shit compared to his hype, and they are, which would then lead to the overall question. I also said I haven't watched the games so I don't know one way or the other.

His hype is about ceiling. Hes 18 starting at a new position on a team playing to win

Yea, he's just 18. There's still a lot of room for improvement. But the hype seems to have coincided with dallas getting him in return from the luka trade earlier.

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15040733]Try watching the games instead of spouting off arbitrarily decided awards that don't mean anything. He's as bad of a player as you are a poster. Both dumpster fires not deserving of my time.

Summary of you, media and other ignorant fans: "OH OH OH!!! HE DID 360 LAYUP!!! OH!! HE SO GOOD!! GIB AWARD! LOL!! :roll:"

He's bad at basketball. He's always been bad at basketball. He will get even worse at basketball.

Delete your account.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Axe;15041068]Yea, he's just 18. There's still a lot of room for improvement. But the hype seems to have coincided with dallas getting him in return from the luka trade earlier.


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Hey it's almost as if I was upfront, repeatedly, about the fact that I didn't watch.

Clearly nobody else in this thread did either. lol.

[quote]Cooper Flagg is [B][SIZE=6][I][U]dog shit[/U][/I][/SIZE][/B][/quote]

Much like Axe's odor. :lol


:lebronamazed:

Watched him in the game vs the Rockets. He can play. At the NBA level, he can create his own shots, shoot from deep, drive past defenders, move smaller defenders out of the way, distribute the ball. He's still 18 yo; I would give him 2-3 years to reach his potential, and get to all-star level.

He doesn't have the keys to the team. He has good players around him, so it's not like he's given free reign to run the team. AD is the best player on the team and after a few months, Kyrie will have the ball more than him. He has to figure out his role, or show he can be a good PG that they can slide Kyrie to the 2.

He needs time he's been asked to do a lot more from the get go because AD & Kyrie are injured

We forget he's still 18 playing against grown men

[QUOTE=Yes or No;15041066]No, you're just as dense as the rest. I implied that his boxscore stats were dog shit compared to his hype, and they are, which would then lead to the overall question. I also said I haven't watched the games so I don't know one way or the other.[/QUOTE]


Well... you shouldn't call someone a piece of dog shit then when you have minimal info or perspective on them. Couldve asked in a much more neutral manner.

He isn't making his shots at a high enough level at the moment, and he's turning the ball over too much. As others have said, I think it's a product of him playing a new position while going against grown men for the first time. It's a bit much and it shows. Guys are playing hard against him too and making it a point to beat him to his spots.

That said, there are a lot of good things that aren't necessarily showing up on the stat sheet. He's physically already there, been good on the boards, rotates very well defensively and never seems to be out of position, and is not being bullied on that end at all. Also is showing to make quick decisions with the ball and pushes upcourt well.

I think it also should be said that he hasn't missed a free throw yet, which could indicate that the shot will eventually come around in other areas once he settles down and gets better at finding his spots.

Overall too early to tell much but he certainly doesn't look out of place.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15041133]He isn't making his shots at a high enough level at the moment, and he's turning the ball over too much. As others have said, I think it's a product of him playing a new position while going against grown men for the first time. It's a bit much and it shows. Guys are playing hard against him too and making it a point to beat him to his spots.

That said, there are a lot of good things that aren't necessarily showing up on the stat sheet. He's physically already there, been good on the boards, rotates very well defensively and never seems to be out of position, and is not being bullied on that end at all. Also is showing to make quick decisions with the ball and pushes upcourt well.

I think it also should be said that he hasn't missed a free throw yet, which could indicate that the shot will eventually come around in other areas once he settles down and gets better at finding his spots.

Overall too early to tell much but he certainly doesn't look out of place.[/QUOTE]

32/32 on FTs when preseason is included. 40/46 (87.0%), including Summer League. 182/208 (87.5%) including the last 27 Duke games. 219/259 (84.6%), including the entire freshman year.

His FT shooting gives me confidence in his shooting potential.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15041133]He isn't making his shots at a high enough level at the moment, and he's turning the ball over too much. As others have said, I think it's a product of him playing a new position while going against grown men for the first time. It's a bit much and it shows. Guys are playing hard against him too and making it a point to beat him to his spots.

That said, there are a lot of good things that aren't necessarily showing up on the stat sheet. He's physically already there, been good on the boards, rotates very well defensively and never seems to be out of position, and is not being bullied on that end at all. Also is showing to make quick decisions with the ball and pushes upcourt well.

I think it also should be said that he hasn't missed a free throw yet, which could indicate that the shot will eventually come around in other areas once he settles down and gets better at finding his spots.

Overall too early to tell much but he certainly doesn't look out of place.[/QUOTE]


Exactly all this.

He's absolutely passing the eye test if not the box score test. I thought it was hard to get a read in college how big he would look/play at the NBA level... but thats clearly not an issue, even at 18. He'll continue to have an edge in physical dominance at the NBA level.

His fluidity and awareness and general skill level also look to me miles ahead of where it was at Duke just a year ago. He just needs to wait patiently for the shooting to come around.

He may not be a phenom/savant in terms of instincts like Lebron and Luka were at 18... but hes obviously got all the physical and mental tools. His efficiency should also go way up when Kyrie is back on the court because then he'll be finishing baskets a lot more often than creating them from scratch which isnt his specialty yet.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15041133]He isn't making his shots at a high enough level at the moment, and he's turning the ball over too much.
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The same was true early in the season at Duke but he got past it. They just need to stop this pg nonsense.

The other promising thing about him is that he's built pretty sturdy at the appendages. Most peoples arms and legs streamline as they go outward from the body, making them more vulnerable at the ends. Cooper's got like very even mass distribution along his limbs, it's a pretty unique build. His forearms/wrists and lower legs are very solid. I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up having a prime-Lebron-esque resistance to serious injury. Altho thats very rare so it's far from guaranteed. But I think hes got a good chance of staying healthy most of his career.

He does have a good frame. Just a matter of getting in the weight room and filling out.

Kd a believer

When Kevin Durant speaks, people listen — especially when he’s talking about the next generation. After the Dallas Mavericks’ 110–102 loss to the Houston Rockets, the 15-time All-Star and two-time NBA champion was asked about rookie sensation Cooper Flagg. Durant didn’t just compliment him; he issued what felt like a prophecy. “I think that he’s going to be a hell of a player,” Durant told DallasHoopsJournal.com. “I think that he’s going to be such a nightmare… that… he’ll be considered one of the best of all time.”

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