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BREAKING: The Dallas Mavericks and owner Patrick Dumont are expected to fire general manager Nico Harrison at a 10 am central time meeting on Tuesday, sources tell me and Tim MacMahon.
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Should've been did that last season. Now people can finally move on.
Thank you Nico for gifting us Luka.
Let this be a lesson to anyone that says that NBA players or NBA front offices know what they're talking about because they're professionals making lots of money and you don't know what you're talking about.
This is obviously an extreme example but the point remains. People are stupid everywhere and we all make mistakes everywhere.
Also please keep in mind that Mark Cuban hired this numbskull. lol. Idiot.
It must suck to find out you're getting fired from Shams tho. lol.
And the overwhelming spectacular failure and humiliation of the Mavericks is complete.
They may as well move them to Vegas now. There's no coming back from this.
Well deserved. His legacy will be one of the dumbest trades of all time.
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Let this be a lesson to anyone that says that NBA players or NBA front offices know what they're talking about because they're professionals making lots of money and you don't know what you're talking about.
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That point has been ridiculous all 58,000 times someone made it and felt smart for coming up with it.
Its like saying when a fighter loses to another that proves fans know fighting better than the loser and his camp of experts who implemented a failing strategy.
In a closed world where someone must fail for others to succeed and both are inevitable within those ranks someone will always be better or worse at the things that cause it.
That says nothing about uninvolved people pretending to be informed from the outside.
Fans who don’t know what it means to hedge and don’t know where the nail is stay acting like they know the game better than a player or coach who played and built game plans for 30 years because of a missed evaluation or someone getting hurt or any of the dozens of things that go right and wrong that know nothings predict without consequence.
It’s just….foolishness.
The idea that I know ball better than Pat Riley when he makes a bad call I predicted wouldn’t work out is just a joke.
And most of the people who act like they do don’t know half of what I do.
And I don’t know shit.
You could make me a GM tomorrow and the team might do well and it might fail as I make calls with a bunch of input and owners giving oks and denials and injury, and luck, and players and coaches personality issues….
A hundred things could make me look informed or like an idiot. But I have no doubt that being involved with it daily, attending a hundred practices, watching workouts, sitting in on meetings, watching game plans be devised, hearing from scouts, talking to coaches and seeing players behavior up close would result in me being more informed than I am from sitting on my phone bullshitting on here, watching some games, and reading articles.
We might lose 60 games year one, draft a Duncan, win 3 rings and I go to the hall of fame or maybe I get that drafts Ben Simmons or a guy who develops into a sex addict who hates my home market because it’s full of Mormons and I lose him early and get fired after 3 years of no improvement and a star hinting he wants to play in LA.
Who knows.
I might appear great off luck. I might be garbage.
But I’d definitely be more qualified than I am from here.
To be fair, we never got a chance to see Nico's vision (AD + Kyrie + supporting cast). Who knows how it might've looked? We might get to see if they don't blow it up.
Flagg was either a conspiracy or sheer luck.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042089]That point has been ridiculous all 58,000 times someone made it and felt smart for coming up with it.
Its like saying when a fighter loses to another that proves fans know fighting better than the loser and his camp of experts who implemented a failing strategy.
In a closed world where someone must fail for others to succeed and both are inevitable within those ranks someone will always be better or worse at the things that cause it.
That says nothing about uninvolved people pretending to be informed from the outside.
Fans who don’t know what it means to hedge and don’t know where the nail is stay acting like they know the game better than a player or coach who played and built game plans for 30 years because of a missed evaluation or someone getting hurt or any of the dozens of things that go right and wrong that know nothings predict without consequence.
It’s just….foolishness.
The idea that I know ball better than Pat Riley when he makes a bad call I predicted wouldn’t work out is just a joke.
And most of the people who act like they do don’t know half of what I do.
And I don’t know shit.
You could make me a GM tomorrow and the team might do well and it might fail as I make calls with a bunch of input and owners giving oks and denials and injury, and luck, and players and coaches personality issues….
A hundred things could make me look informed or like an idiot. But I have no doubt that being involved with it daily, attending a hundred practices, watching workouts, sitting in on meetings, watching game plans be devised, hearing from scouts, talking to coaches and seeing players behavior up close would result in me being more informed than I am from sitting on my phone bullshitting on here, watching some games, and reading articles.
We might lose 60 games year one, draft a Duncan, win 3 rings and I go to the hall of fame or maybe I get that drafts Ben Simmons or a guy who develops into a sex addict who hates my home market because it’s full of Mormons and I lose him early and get fired after 3 years of no improvement and a star hinting he wants to play in LA.
Who knows.
I might appear great off luck. I might be garbage.
But I’d definitely be more qualified than I am from here.[/QUOTE]
Bradley Beal.
Dallas has had a lot of successes for such a terrible organization. While almost everyone thought that trading Doncic for an older and injury-prone player was a bad idea the fact of the matter is that Dallas either let him do it or(I personally believe) wanted to move Doncic and set him up to be the fall guy for fan wrath. If they truly did the deal because Harrison was fully in charge and wanted Davis then once you let him make that trade you may as well give him a chance to flesh out his vision. Don't let him make the bad trade and then do various smaller moves to create his vision. That's dumb. Either you're going to give him a chance to prove everyone wrong or you're not.
But I firmly believe that in some private conversations Doncic ticked off the ownership group, they decided that they didn't want to pay him the 300+ mil supermax (whatever it was) and with the poor start they're using their sacrificial lamb. As if they didn't know coming into this season that Irving still had to recover and Davis is injury-prone. Still, Harrison likely knew what he was signing up for himself. Watch some other team bring him in, everyone will be like, "why did they hire that fool?" Because other owners know that he's willing to walk the plank for them, that's why.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042089]That point has been ridiculous all 58,000 times someone made it and felt smart for coming up with it.[/QUOTE]
The point has always been that just because they're sitting there doesn't mean that you can't question their moves. I'm not saying fans know better. I'm saying that treating the stuff front offices and ex players say and do as infallible because of the positions they hold is called "an appeal to authority" and it's a false world view.
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They frequently disagree among themselves so how can you reconcile your world view?[/U][/B] It's bullshit. People like yourself that will literally log into this board and say dumb shit like "well he played and you didn't" or "he has more info than you do" as an argument, which is just nonsensical. Always has been and always will be.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042093]Bradley Beal.[/QUOTE]
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You know, I detest these clickbait youtube video and news headlines that use this word because they're garbage but given that you only used two words to completely undermine his essay? That is exactly what I would call "destroyed."
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[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15042092]Flagg was either a conspiracy[/QUOTE]
This is a stupid world view. No matter what happened getting Flagg was "luck" if you want to call it that.
Even in the hypothetical world where the league office agreed to give Dallas a #1 overall pick, to say that they specifically guaranteed Cooper Flag himself would require AD and Kyrie Irving faking injuries and losing on purpose when they were a clear playoff team even after the trade.
The truth is the world on a human level is rudderless and not everything is a carefully orchestrated controlled outcome. It's usually anything but.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042093]Bradley Beal.[/QUOTE]
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There are no conspiracies or underhanded dealings. This a very simple case.
The Mavs organisation for a combination of reasons, wanted out of the Luka business. Either because they didnt wanna pay him a supermax, were sick of his conditioning issues and likely thought they'd seen the best of Luka. They thought they could win a chip either last season or this one and justify that decision. What they didnt account for was AD getting hurt (as stupid as that is) and Kyrie getting hurt (as stupid as that is). As someone above said, we never got to see Nico's vision. BUT when you have two injury prone aging players, their health was always going to be a timebomb but they didnt expect it to blow up as soon as it did.
However everything else is fairydust.
Niko wasn't helping the Lakers because he is friends with Pelinka.
The NBA didnt fix the draft to give the Mavs Flagg.
The Mavs owners didnt sabotage their own team to instigate a move to Vegas.
Or any other cockamamie theories out there. This was a dumbass organisation who made a dumbass move and it could not possibly have gone worse for them since it happened. Like Final Destination shit really, the #1 pick aside.
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042095]The point has always been that just because they're sitting there doesn't mean that you can't question their moves. I'm not saying fans know better. I'm saying that treating the stuff front offices and ex players say and do as infallible because of the positions they hold is called "an appeal to authority" and it's a false world view.
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They frequently disagree among themselves so how can you reconcile your world view?[/U][/B] It's bullshit. People like yourself that will literally log into this board and say dumb shit like "well he played and you didn't" or "he has more info than you do" as an argument, which is just nonsensical. Always has been and always will be.
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You know, I detest these clickbait youtube video and news headlines that use this word because they're garbage but given that you only used two words to completely undermine his essay? That is exactly what I would call "destroyed."
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Can’t question a move because someone has a job? That has never been the point of anyone with 2 brain cells. The issue is if someone is more informed because they have the job. Fans have always acted like they know better when something doesn’t work and almost 100% of them are clueless about even the basics.
And the Beal situation is actually a pretty good example of it.
A bunch of people on the Internet, who thought they understood big picture implications of a situation they knew nothing about. We’re telling me if the wizard signed Bill to that deal it would be an albatross that destroys the franchise. Me and others were adamant that if they didn’t want him, they would just get out of it for something in return.
what happens? They don’t end up having to pay the contract because they did exactly what we said they could do and flipped him within two weeks of it being leaked that they were going to do it and got a bunch of pic swaps that will still have them Getting paid four years from now.
The sons are playing team and probably won’t make the playoffs. The wizard and sons will likely both be in the lottery. The sun could jump into the top two while the wizards get number nine and the wizards just get to swap with them. And again two years from now. And again after that. One of the years between is complicated because of an existing pick swap with the Nets But one thing is for certain.
They signed him to a giant contract didn’t have to pay any of it and profit from the whole Thing While a bunch of know nothing know it all on the Internet swore it would be the downfall of the entire franchise.
it did literally nothing but good for the wizards. Not figuratively. Literally nothing came out of it, but extra pics and the ability to swap picks with a likely lottery team over the next four or five years.
absolutely zero downside. Pure profit. But prideful idiots on the Internet are so sold on the idea of their own brilliance they take the Factual gain from signing that deal and try to twist it into them being right Because an entirely separate team isn’t good…. When the team that signed the deal profits from that other team, not being good.
They will literally still be able to take the suns pick in the first round In 2030. That’s how long they stand to benefit.
The Bradley Beal deal resulted in no money spent for the wizards on that extension. And advantages in the draft still happening eight years after it was signed.
For years, the rebuilding suns are gonna be sitting at that lottery table, hoping they don’t get a good pick because the camera is just gonna pan to the elated wizards executive who gets to take from them.
But by all means, tell me how smart fans are who read Tweets and assume they really have a grasp on the Situation.
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042111]Can’t question a move because someone has a job? That has never been the point of anyone with 2 brain cells. The issue is if someone is more informed because they have the job. Fans have always acted like they know better when something doesn’t work and almost 100% of them are clueless about even the basics.
And the Beal situation is actually a pretty good example of it.
A bunch of people on the Internet, who thought they understood big picture implications of a situation they knew nothing about. We’re telling me if the wizard signed Bill to that deal it would be an albatross that destroys the franchise. Me and others were adamant that if they didn’t want him, they would just get out of it for something in return.
what happens? They don’t end up having to pay the contract because they did exactly what we said they could do and flipped him within two weeks of it being leaked that they were going to do it and got a bunch of pic swaps that will still have them Getting paid four years from now.
The sons are playing team and probably won’t make the playoffs. The wizard and sons will likely both be in the lottery. The sun could jump into the top two while the wizards get number nine and the wizards just get to swap with them. And again two years from now. And again after that. One of the years between is complicated because of an existing pick swap with the Nets But one thing is for certain.
They signed him to a giant contract didn’t have to pay any of it and profit from the whole Thing While a bunch of know nothing know it all on the Internet swore it would be the downfall of the entire franchise.
it did literally nothing but good for the wizards. Not figuratively. Literally nothing came out of it, but extra pics and the ability to swap picks with a likely lottery team over the next four or five years.
absolutely zero downside. Pure profit. But prideful idiots on the Internet are so sold on the idea of their own brilliance they take the Factual gain from signing that deal and try to twist it into them being right Because an entirely separate team isn’t good…. When the team that signed the deal profits from that other team, not being good.
They will literally still be able to take the suns pick in the first round In 2030. That’s how long they stand to benefit.
The Bradley Beal deal resulted in no money spent for the wizards on that extension. And advantages in the draft still happening eight years after it was signed.
For years, the rebuilding suns are gonna be sitting at that lottery table, hoping they don’t get a good pick because the camera is just gonna pan to the elated wizards executive who gets to take from them.
But by all means, tell me how smart fans are who read Tweets and assume they really have a grasp on the Situation.[/QUOTE]
Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.
Another idiot GM traded for him.
These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them
Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?
Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.
I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.
Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.
Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:
-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka
What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.
Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.
We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042120]Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.
Another idiot GM traded for him.
These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what happened. Nothing more or less.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15042123]Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?
Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.
I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.
Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.
Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:
-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka
What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.
Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.
We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.[/QUOTE]
Facts.
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[QUOTE=warriorfan;15042120]Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.
Another idiot GM traded for him.
These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them[/QUOTE]
Tell me please, what makes a GM an idiot for signing a contract his team didn’t have to pay that was easily traded for things that Put the team in better position going forward than simply not signing it and not having another likely lottery teams picks at your disposal until 2030?
The fact that you were wrong to assume that’s how it would go while plenty of people were telling you that that’s exactly what they could do if they felt like it?
Every time one of these things happens I try to tell you people how historically it takes years for the ramifications to shake out. Five years from now, the suns are going to be Watching an unprotected pic go to the wizards over some shit from eight years previous.
There’s a pick swap with some conditions for this year. And in 2028.
For years and years and years The wizards are waiting in the wings to take draft picks from a likely rebuilding franchise that’s gonna keep taking big swings, trying to avoid the embarrassment of handing over a top three pick…or two.
they might end up losing two Hall of Famer’s to the wizards. Or two role players.
nobody can say. What we can say? They didn’t have to pay the money. They successfully traded the deal and got long-term value.
It was 300 post about a supposedly inevitable albatross that never became one and the only issue going forward is exactly Who they get with the draft capital.
But fans need to feel smart is so strong that years later when the original question is already settled and the team that signed the contract not only didn’t pay it, but traded it for value you cling to the idea that you should’ve been right and disregard that you weren’t.
And that’s the core of the issue. Fans are so attached to the idea that they know what they’re talking about they don’t care what actually happens.
because it isn’t about the results. It’s just about feeling smart.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042128]Tell me please, what makes a GM an idiot for signing a contract his team didn’t have to pay that was easily traded for things that Put the team in better position going forward than simply not signing it and not having another likely lottery teams picks at your disposal until 2030?
The fact that you were wrong to assume that’s how it would go while plenty of people were telling you that that’s exactly what they could do if they felt like it?
Every time one of these things happens I try to tell you people how historically it takes years for the ramifications to shake out. Five years from now, the suns are going to be Watching an unprotected pic go to the wizards over some shit from eight years previous.
There’s a pick swap with some conditions for this year. And in 2028.
For years and years and years The wizards are waiting in the wings to take draft picks from a likely rebuilding franchise that’s gonna keep taking big swings, trying to avoid the embarrassment of handing over a top three pick…or two.
they might end up losing two Hall of Famer’s to the wizards. Or two role players.
nobody can say. What we can say? They didn’t have to pay the money. They successfully traded the deal and got long-term value.
It was 300 post about a supposedly inevitable albatross that never became one and the only issue going forward is exactly Who they get with the draft capital.
But fans need to feel smart is so strong that years later when the original question is already settled and the team that signed the contract not only didn’t pay it, but traded it for value you cling to the idea that you should’ve been right and disregard that you weren’t.
And that’s the core of the issue. Fans are so attached to the idea that they know what they’re talking about they don’t care what actually happens.
because it isn’t about the results. It’s just about feeling smart.[/QUOTE]
So why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to spend $100 million to buy him out if he was so easy to trade?
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[QUOTE=tontoz;15042123]Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?
Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.
I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.
Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.
Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:
-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka
What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.
Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.
We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.[/QUOTE]
so more talk about how they would have been wrong if the world were different…
The wizards did not pay the money. It took them two weeks to trade him, which was actually even faster than I told you it would take if they ever decided to do it. It ended up being absolutely zero impediment for years of potential pick swaps with a bad team.
and the funny thing about the no trade clause is the big trade the suns had the opportunity to make was vetoed by Kevin Durant who didn’t have a no trade clause.
Not that anything in Phoenix has anything to do with the 300 posts claiming the wizards were gonna be screwed over a contract they couldn’t move.
45 minutes later it turns out they paid like 30 out of the $250 million And traded it easily For assets that won’t settle for at least five years.
One of the longest and dumbest arguments I’ve ever been in over the last 24 years to result in exactly what I said would happen if they wanted happening even quicker than expected and at zero cost.
Want to be right so bad On analysis you attribute being wrong to luck as if somebody had a freak injury.
The actual outcome of that whole situation for the wizards was not worth all that discussion. All that shit over a contract they didn’t pay and immediately got out of for draft capital Which is exactly what we told you they could do. And still talking about it years later Like the point wasn’t proven the second he was on a different team.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15042129]So why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to spend $100 million to buy him out if he was so easy to trade?
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I think the more relevant question is if the contract was gonna be such an albatross to the wizards….why wasn’t it?
Why after 300 post arguing over this giant contract that couldn’t be justified or moved did they cheerfully get out of paying any of it while receiving draft capital?
I don’t think more words have ever been wasted on a subject where I was proven so inarguably correct so quickly. Whole thing was settled so fast People have to pretend it was never a question about how it would hurt the wizards because it so obviously didn’t.
The wizards made out so Scott free I swear it feels like you’re rooting for them not to get to take Phoenix‘s picks because stacking value on top of the obvious lack of any negative consequence would be too much to handle.
gonna be the only wizards fan mad if y’all swap up from 14 to 9 or from 6 to 2 a few years from now Because it makes you look worse for opposing a signing eight years previous that the team didn’t even have to pay for
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042130]so more talk about how they would have been wrong if the world were different…
The wizards did not pay the money. It took them two weeks to trade him, which was actually even faster than I told you it would take if they ever decided to do it. It ended up being absolutely zero impediment for years of potential pick swaps with a bad team.
and the funny thing about the no trade clause is the big trade the suns had the opportunity to make was vetoed by Kevin Durant who didn’t have a no trade clause.
Not that anything in Phoenix has anything to do with the 300 posts claiming the wizards were gonna be screwed over a contract they couldn’t move.
45 minutes later it turns out they paid like 30 out of the $250 million And traded it easily For assets that won’t settle for at least five years.
One of the longest and dumbest arguments I’ve ever been in over the last 24 years to result in exactly what I said would happen if they wanted happening even quicker than expected and at zero cost.
Want to be right so bad On analysis you attribute being wrong to luck as if somebody had a freak injury.
The actual outcome of that whole situation for the wizards was not worth all that discussion. All that shit over a contract they didn’t pay and immediately got out of for draft capital Which is exactly what we told you they could do. And still talking about it years later Like the point wasn’t proven the second he was on a different team.[/QUOTE]
Beal signed that contract in the summer of 2022. Here we are in 2025 and where are the Wizards? They are 1-8. Not only are they in the toilet they traded Deni, the one good player they had after trading Beal, because he didn't fit in with their new timeline. Now he might make the All-Star team with the Blazers.
So yeah i am pretty comfortable i was right about the trade. They were 35-47 even though they were trying to be a playoff team, then 15-67 and 18-64 last season, and they are tanking again this season. As of right now we haven't received anything tangible from trading Beal. The Grizzlies got 4 first round picks for Bane ffs.
If we had let Beal walk or done a snt deal and started the rebuild sooner the rebuild would surely be further along and Deni might still be on our team.
[QUOTE]I think the more relevant question is if the contract was gonna be such an albatross to the wizards….why wasn’t it?[/QUOTE]
Because they happened along a brand new NBA owner who didn't know what he was doing either?
Talk about being purposefully obtuse. You have to be the most prideful poster this board has ever seen.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15042134]Beal signed that contract in the summer of 2022. Here we are in 2025 and where are the Wizards? They are 1-8. Not only are they in the toilet they traded the Deni, the one good player they had after trading Beal, because he didn't fit in with their new timeline. Now he might make the All-Star team with the Blazers.
So yeah i am pretty comfortable i was right about the trade. They were 35-47 even though they were trying to be a playoff team, then 15-67 last season, and they are tanking again this season. As of right now we haven't received anything tangible from trading Beal. The Grizzlies got 4 first round picks for Bane ffs.
If we had let Beal walk or done a snt deal and started the rebuild sooner the rebuild would surely be further along with the rebuild and Deni might still be on our team.[/QUOTE]
where are the wizards? Rebuilding. You think the wizards are trying to win the championship? Sometimes it seems you don’t even grasp the concept of rebuilding. That became pretty clear when you took issue with having Jordan Poole on the team at $30 million because he wasn’t playing well when the team obviously was trying to lose and the money was immaterial because his contract was keeping you off the salary floor.
I believe at one point you thought you made a good point by telling me he makes $30 million to suck as if you couldn’t get your head around a team trying to lose having players who suck is accomplishing the goal And that in a sport with a salary floor, you don’t have the option to pay nobody because the league takes the money anyway and distributes it to the players.
But it did shed some insight into your thought process. It’s all about what you feeeeeel. It doesn’t feel right to pay somebody a lot of money who doesn’t make the team better Even if you don’t want the team better, and the money would be paid anyway.
Just like somehow, the idea of signing a guy to a giant contract still bothers you when your team didn’t have to pay any of it and still managed to tank for pics and has pic swaps available for years and years and years from a team that looks to be rebuilding itself.
knowing you can take a likely bad team’s draft picks for years in exchange for something you didn’t want while they pay for it it somehow still not a positive because of your feelings And the team still being bad when the team doesn’t want to be good…
Fans at the same problem they criticize a lot of teams for. Get so dug into a position they’ll deny the truth rather than change course Because changing course isn’t an admission of being wrong. Only thing is a front office completely changing course after several years might come with consequences like losing a seven figure job.
Dude on the Internet will be outraged over some shit that ends up being nothing but positive and have to talk themselves into staying mad forever when there’s nothing at stake and the only impediment is lacking the emotional maturity to admit they were wrong.
That contract didn’t do shit to hurt the wizards at all because they immediately got out from under it exactly like I told you they could, and all that resulted was positives the extent of which we won’t know for at least five more years.
But my all means continue to sulk about the positives that came of you being wrong.
Anyway…I need to wash like two weeks of clothes from being on the road. I’m sure one of you will bring it up again in the future. But it won’t be me. Not even when the camera pans over to Boris Diaw or whoever Phoenix sends out there to sit there awkwardly while ESPN gets the graphic package together to show that the lottery pick they just got transfers to the wizards….
I won’t say a word. But you’ll know. And somehow it will probably override what should be a happy time for you. And that’s the most ****ed up thing about it.
you have a nice day though.
Could the Wizards trade the rights to swap pick with a better team? That's worth nothing to them because of how bad they are but for a better team that could be gold.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042136]where are the wizards? Rebuilding. You think the wizards are trying to win the championship? Sometimes it seems you don’t even grasp the concept of rebuilding. That became pretty clear when you took issue with having Jordan Poole on the team at $30 million because he wasn’t playing well when the team obviously was trying to lose and the money was immaterial because his contract was keeping you off the salary floor.
I’m leaving at one point you thought you made a good point by telling me he makes $30 million to suck as if you couldn’t get your head around a team trying to lose having players who suck isn’t accomplishing the goal And that in a sport with a salary floor, you don’t have the option to pay nobody because the league takes the money anyway and distributes it to the players.
But it did shed some insight into your thought process. It’s all about what you feeeeeel. It doesn’t feel right to pay somebody a lot of money who doesn’t make the team better Even if you don’t want the team better, and the money would be paid anyway.
Just like somehow, the idea of signing a guy to a giant contract still bothers you when your team didn’t have to pay any of it and still managed to tank for pics and has pic swaps available for years and years and years from a team that looks to be rebuilding itself.
knowing you can take a likely bad team’s draft picks for years in exchange for something you didn’t want while they pay for it it somehow still not a positive because of your feelings And the team still being bad when the team doesn’t want to be good…
Fans at the same problem they criticize a lot of teams for. Get so dug into a position they’ll deny the truth rather than change course Because changing course isn’t an admission of being wrong. Only thing is a front office completely changing course after several years might come with consequences like losing a seven figure job.
Dude on the Internet will be outraged over some shit that ends up being nothing but positive and have to talk themselves into staying mad forever when there’s nothing at stake and the only impediment is lacking the emotional maturity to admit they were wrong.
That contract didn’t do shit to hurt the wizards at all because they immediately got out from under it exactly like I told you they could, and all that resulted was positives the extent of which we won’t know for at least five more years.
But my all means continue to sulk about the positives that came of you being wrong.
Anyway…I need to wash like two weeks of clothes from being on the road. I’m sure one of you will bring it up again in the future. But it won’t be me. Not even when the camera pans over to Boris Diaw or whoever Phoenix sends out there to sit there awkwardly while ESPN gets the graphic package together to show that the lottery pick they just got transfers to the wizards….
I won’t say a word. But you’ll know. And somehow it will probably override what should be a happy time for you. And that’s the most ****ed up thing about it.
you have a nice day though.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand the concept of rebuilding? I was the one that said we should start the process back in 2022 ffs. Even heard of a guy named Wemby? We could have started tanking for that draft.
Instead we started tanking for a draft where Risacher went number 1. :facepalm
We are 69-186 since Beal signed that contract, we've received no actual draft compensation from the Beal trade and the best player we've drafted since Beal is gone. So yeah i am not seeing the benefit of signing Beal.
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042133]Because they happened along a brand new NBA owner who didn't know what he was doing either?
Talk about being purposefully obtuse. You have to be the most prideful poster this board has ever seen.[/QUOTE]
accusations of pride from someone whose entire argument is denying that someone can know more than they do about a subject and connecting it to a discussion where they were factually incorrect, but feel like they wouldn’t have been if reality were something other than what it is. You can’t just be wrong. It went exactly the way I said it could because the world itself was wrong to allow it.
this place can be such a delight at times. A tedious delight. But a delight nonetheless.
you have a great day as well.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15042140]accusations of pride from someone whose entire argument is denying that someone can know more than they do about a subject and connecting it to a discussion where they were factually incorrect, but feel like they wouldn’t have been if reality were something other than what it is. You can’t just be wrong. It went exactly the way I said it could because the world itself was wrong to allow it.
this place can be such a delight at times. A tedious delight. But a delight nonetheless.
you have a great day as well.[/QUOTE]
So why couldn't the Suns trade that contract, which was a few years shorter? Why did they pay $100 million to buy out Beal?
*crickets*
KBlaze is like the poker player that goes all in pre flop with 6-8 off and feels smart that he won.
[QUOTE=tontoz;15042144]So why couldn't the Suns trade that contract, which was a few years shorter? Why did they pay $100 million to buy out Beal?
*crickets*
KBlaze is like the poker player that goes all in pre flop with 6-8 off and feels smart that he won.[/QUOTE]
He knows. It’s just a pride problem.
[QUOTE=Ghost1;15042119][IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/52Hg01Xy/4g45g.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll:
Perfect, I can now sign off the internet for today.
But generally speaking and without obviously being on the inside of these organizations, is Nico the fall guy here? Like, whose idea was this to trade Luka and come up with this grand plan in the first place? Did Nico go to the owners, or did they say we don't want to pay the supermax? Either way, there's absolutely no way he made this move unilaterally. All in all, what an absolute shitshow and embarrassment to the organization, I genuinely feel bad for Mavs fans.
[QUOTE=Phoenix;15042153]:roll:
Perfect, I can now sign off the internet for today.
But generally speaking and without obviously being on the inside of these organizations, is Nico the fall guy here? Like, whose idea was this to trade Luka and come up with this grand plan in the first place? Did Nico go to the owners, or did they say we don't want to pay him the superman? Either way, there's absolutely no way he made this move unilaterally. All in all, what an absolute shitshow and embarrassment to the organization, I genuinely feel bad for Mavs fans.[/QUOTE]
No, Nico is not the fall guy. He is truly that incompetent and funnily enough it seems to stem from a pride problem, lol. Maybe kblaze is Nico.
It was a weird set of circumstances. A new owner that knows absolutely nothing about basketball combined with a prideful GM who went to said owner and got Cuban cut out after the deal for the franchise was in place. Then convinced the ignorant owner this is what needed to be done and here we are 9 months later. Fired because the owner figured it out.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15042094]wanted to move Doncic and set him up to be the fall guy for fan wrath.[/QUOTE]
This is what I felt happened. Ownership asn't happy with Doncic's conditioning and attitude for $300+ million and they told Nico to move him. It makes no sense they'd do it out of nowhere randomly like it happened. Someone above him told him to move Doncic.
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15042154]No, Nico is not the fall guy. He is truly that incompetent and funnily enough it seems to stem from a pride problem, lol. Maybe kblaze is Nico.
It was a weird set of circumstances. A new owner that knows absolutely nothing about basketball combined with a prideful GM who went to said owner and got Cuban cut out after the deal for the franchise was in place. Then convinced the ignorant owner this is what needed to be done and here we are 9 months later. Fired because the owner figured it out.[/QUOTE]
May go down as the most epic blunder in NBA history, at least in recent memory. I don't know if that's slightly hyperbolic but man what a fukk-up.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15042092]To be fair, we never got a chance to see Nico's vision (AD + Kyrie + supporting cast). Who knows how it might've looked? We might get to see if they don't blow it up.
Flagg was either a conspiracy or sheer luck.[/QUOTE]
The problem is it was unlikely we would ever see that. Davis is injury prone. Kyrie might have decided birthday parties were more important. I can see trading luka. Trading him for davis without looking at other offers was idiotic.
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15042158]I can see trading luka. Trading him for davis without looking at other offers was idiotic.[/QUOTE]
This right here specifically is what almost indisputably points away from the idea that the ownership initiated the trade idea.
Even if ownership just wanted to cut costs and salary dump and start over and whatever else, they could have fielded offers and had a field day with picks.