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Mavs going full future and building around Cooper. I suppose they would also get rid of Kyrie in that situation.
Might as well start the speculation…
Usual suspects no doubt. Lakers, Warriors, Heat, Bucks…Nuggets?
Would Braun and Cam be a starting point for something stacked on top of picks?
Who would you be targeting as Dallas with injured Kyrie and AD being expendable?
Report coming from Tim Macmahon the Mavs reporter of like 15-18 years if you care who said it.
Buyout -> Back to Lakers -> Championship -> LeBron retires
I don't see how the Lakers pull it off with James' having a no-trade. Lots of teams would like to have him but the team that should do whatever it takes to get him is the Warriors. Butler, Green whoever Dallas wants other than Curry should be available. Until Giannis comes available that's the best chance for Curry to have a last hurrah.
Dallas would say "no" if they care about money but it would be worth it for Philly to get rid of George or Embiid for Davis at the price of Edgecomb and some future firsts...I'm sure someone woulod say that this is a terrible idea, just spitballing, please don't kill me.
Think Jason Kidd would believe he could fix Ja Morant?
Makes you think how rigged this league is looking back on the Luka trade. Lakers and Lebron and the players association are running this league like a mafia.
[QUOTE=tpols;15043461]Makes you think how rigged this league is looking back on the Luka trade. Lakers and Lebron and the players association are running this league like a mafia.[/QUOTE]
You are in complete denial about how petty and stupid Nico Harrison is. Oh well, you'll never change your mind.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043460]Think Jason Kidd would believe he could fix Ja Morant?[/QUOTE]
They already stuck Kidd out there to explain the shitshow after the Doncic/Davis disaster. If they follow it up by making him deal with Morant he's either going to quit or demand 50 mil a year.
[QUOTE=Yes or No;15043462]You are in complete denial about how petty and stupid Nico Harrison is. Oh well, you'll never change your mind.[/QUOTE]
The ****ed up thing is when Kobe could've had prime Chris Paul changing everything the league cockblocked him but they let Lebron have Luka. :oldlol: :facepalm And trade prime AD for Ingram. Crazy stuff.
These dudes really parlayed Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball into AD and Luka.
Options are limited. Makes too much money, is always hurt, thinks hes a 4 not a 5...
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043452]Mavs going full future and building around Cooper. I suppose they would also get rid of Kyrie in that situation.
Might as well start the speculation…
Usual suspects no doubt. Lakers, Warriors, Heat, Bucks…Nuggets?
[b]Would Braun and Cam be a starting point for something stacked on top of picks?[/b]
Who would you be targeting as Dallas with injured Kyrie and AD being expendable?[/QUOTE]
Lol. Never took you for a mornin drinker.
Two core pieces of Denver's future on value contracts just entering their prime for a guy who never plays?
I think youre way overestimating this dudes trade value.
The guy never plays. I dont see teams giving up real things for him. And yes, some insane team probably will, but I dont see it being the Nuggets. Theyre too measured. It would have to come from an overzealous owner, like Mat Ishbia or Steve Ballmer. Owners who believe they can "will" bad questionable decisions to work out.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043460]Think Jason Kidd would believe he could fix Ja Morant?[/QUOTE]
Bro. You are on BOOZE this morning.
Theyre not bringing Ja's drama and baggage into to a team thats building positive energy around Cooper Flagg.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043468]Lol. Never took you for a mornin drinker.
Two core pieces of Denver's future on value contracts just entering their prime for a guy who never plays?
I think youre way overestimating this dudes trade value.
The guy never plays. I dont see teams giving up real things for him. And yes, some insane team probably will, but I dont see it being the Nuggets. Theyre too measured. It would have to come from an overzealous owner, like Mat Ishbia or Steve Ballmer. Owners who believe they can "will" bad questionable decisions to work out.[/QUOTE]
Some $ worthy insight! :cheers:
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I dont see teams giving up real things for him. And yes, some insane team probably will
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Those two thoughts are incompatible. More of your putting more weight on what you think should be the case instead of what usually is.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043470]Bro. You are on BOOZE this morning.
Theyre not bringing Ja's drama and baggage into to a team thats building positive energy around Cooper Flagg.[/QUOTE]
Ja is the new Westbrook.
:roll:
A bomb on any team he joins. Or I guess in his case... a gun.
Funny thing is Kidd was way more of a malcontent and criminal than either of them. Especially Russ who I believe is a model citizen and generally loved by teammates.
If Ja organized a mutiny against his college coach, broke up his first nba teams future by being in a love triangle with a celebrity, destroyed his second by beating his wife multiple times and getting DUIs which got him traded to a third team he funded with 2 coaches of, directly got one fired, then sandbagged and refused to play to get traded to his fourth team?
He might actually deserve his rep.
Jason Kidd was one of the biggest coach killing team cancers in history it just doesn’t feeeeeel like it because he was so great on the floor.
Ja and Russ don’t have any mugshots unless I forgot something. And maybe I did I guess. But his record is waaaaaaay worse with teammates, coaches, laws, and family.
Which is one reason I don’t think he’d balk as much as some and think he could be a mentor to a guy like that.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043473]Those two thoughts are incompatible. More of your putting more weight on what you think should be the case instead of what usually is.[/QUOTE]
Well in any event. Denver's not giving up quality assets to experiment with Davis and Jokic midseason. That I am sure of. Denver took the champs to Game 7 last year and have a better roster this year. It's not a risk they have any reason to take.
If Cleveland feels they were too soft up front in the playoffs last year when they got smoked by Indy, and decides they really need a shakeup to get over the hump, maybe you offer Jarrett Allen for Davis. With an extra guy to make the deals match. But the aprons complicate these trades.
If injuries werent a factor I could see the Wolves offering a Toody swap. But Rudy actually plays for the most part, even if he doesnt play particularly well. You cant improve the team by adding a guy in street clothes.
Outside of that? I honestly dont see any teams that look like logical destinations.
The play here is tank 2025-26, league gifts Dallas 1st pick again, draft Dybantsa or Petersen, then you've got your Tatum & Brown. Your Chet & J-Will.
They just have to figure out what to do with AD & Kyrie...
Do you sell them ASAP for whatever you can get? Or do you sit them out for 2025-26, get Dybantsa/Petersen, then reload for 2026-27?
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043477]Funny thing is Kidd was way more of a malcontent and criminal than either of them. Especially Russ who I believe is a model citizen and generally loved by teammates.
If Ja organized a mutiny against his college coach, broke up his first nba teams future by being in a love triangle with a celebrity, destroyed his second by beating his wife multiple times and getting DUIs which got him traded to a third team he funded with 2 coaches of, directly got one fired, then sandbagged and refused to play to get traded to his fourth team?
He might actually deserve his rep.
Jason Kidd was one of the biggest coach killing team cancers in history it just doesn’t feeeeeel like it because he was so great on the floor.
Ja and Russ don’t have any mugshots unless I forgot something. And maybe I did I guess. But his record is waaaaaaay worse with teammates, coaches, laws, and family.
Which is one reason I don’t think he’d balk as much as some and think he could be a mentor to a guy like that.[/QUOTE]
So great as long as dont care about efficiency
[QUOTE=tpols;15043466]The ****ed up thing is when Kobe could've had prime Chris Paul changing everything the league cockblocked him but they let Lebron have Luka. :oldlol: :facepalm And trade prime AD for Ingram. Crazy stuff.
These dudes really parlayed Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball into AD and Luka.[/QUOTE]
If the Mavs had 29 owners at the time while they looked for a replacement for Cuban like happened with the Hornets rest assured Silver gets a Gilbert letter too
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[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043478]Well in any event. Denver's not giving up quality assets to experiment with Davis and Jokic midseason. That I am sure of. Denver took the champs to Game 7 last year and have a better roster this year. It's not a risk they have any reason to take.
If Cleveland feels they were too soft up front in the playoffs last year when they got smoked by Indy, and decides they really need a shakeup to get over the hump, maybe you offer Jarrett Allen for Davis. With an extra guy to make the deals match. But the aprons complicate these trades.
If injuries werent a factor I could see the Wolves offering a Toody swap. But Rudy actually plays for the most part, even if he doesnt play particularly well. You cant improve the team by adding a guy in street clothes.
Outside of that? I honestly dont see any teams that look like logical destinations.[/QUOTE]
Not particulatly well on his way to taking down the favorites and defending champs and 2 straight conference finals. No wonder no one pays for your insights
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15043481]So great as long as dont care about efficiency[/QUOTE]
Marbury was more efficient on the Nets than Kidd who had 48 true shooting his first year there. Safe to say it didn’t make him more effective.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043477]Funny thing is Kidd was way more of a malcontent and criminal than either of them. Especially Russ who I believe is a model citizen and generally loved by teammates.
If Ja organized a mutiny against his college coach, broke up his first nba teams future by being in a love triangle with a celebrity, destroyed his second by beating his wife multiple times and getting DUIs which got him traded to a third team he funded with 2 coaches of, directly got one fired, then sandbagged and refused to play to get traded to his fourth team?
He might actually deserve his rep.
Jason Kidd was one of the biggest coach killing team cancers in history it just doesn’t feeeeeel like it because he was so great on the floor.
Ja and Russ don’t have any mugshots unless I forgot something. And maybe I did I guess. But his record is waaaaaaay worse with teammates, coaches, laws, and family.
Which is one reason I don’t think he’d balk as much as some and think he could be a mentor to a guy like that.[/QUOTE]I will admit to having forgotten Kidd's semi-criminal record as a player. So there is reason to think Kidd would give him a shot. A different concern with Morant though is that he's not going to be able to play that high-flyer style much longer. He takes some bad falls and has such a slight build, he has to learn to play on the ground at a high level but unfortunately it's that explosiveness that makes him special. Could he learn to run a team and lead like Kidd? I don't think we've seen that from him, he's always been in the mold of young Rose. Kidd was fast but he was pass-first, second and third whereas a great game from Morant involves a lot of scoring.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043485]Marbury was more efficient on the Nets than Kidd who had 48 true shooting his first year there. Safe to say it didn’t make him more effective.[/QUOTE]
Marbury had a much different roster despite the narrative saying it was the same team
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15043479]The play here is tank 2025-26, league gifts Dallas 1st pick again, draft Dybantsa or Petersen, then you've got your Tatum & Brown. Your Chet & J-Will.
They just have to figure out what to do with AD & Kyrie...
Do you sell them ASAP for whatever you can get? Or do you sit them out for 2025-26, get Dybantsa/Petersen, then reload for 2026-27?[/QUOTE]
Unless they get an unexpectedly good offer for Irving before he returns, I think you keep him and let him play with Flagg for a bit. It will be an exciting pairing, it will be helpful in Cooper's development, and it will rebuild Irving's trade value after the injury.
AD you can move now or later, whenever you feel the market is the best it's going to be I guess.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043478]Well in any event. Denver's not giving up quality assets to experiment with Davis and Jokic midseason. That I am sure of. Denver took the champs to Game 7 last year and have a better roster this year. It's not a risk they have any reason to take.
If Cleveland feels they were too soft up front in the playoffs last year when they got smoked by Indy, and decides they really need a shakeup to get over the hump, maybe you offer Jarrett Allen for Davis. With an extra guy to make the deals match. But the aprons complicate these trades.
If injuries werent a factor I could see the Wolves offering a Toody swap. But Rudy actually plays for the most part, even if he doesnt play particularly well. You cant improve the team by adding a guy in street clothes.
Outside of that? I honestly dont see any teams that look like logical destinations.[/QUOTE]
If they shoot for another big I’d imagine it would be a young one on a team that’s anti tank. Like Miami. You ask for this kid
[video=youtube_share;rJOqpdMbaAw]https://youtu.be/rJOqpdMbaAw?si=9H7smbgM5LlVvBWz[/video]
Him plus Herro and one of their nobodies gets you about 44 of 54 million. You figure out the rest with third teams or whatever you gotta do.
Heat score 125 a game this year without Herro playing a second yet. He expires next year so Dallas has no long term issues.
Heat basically add a superstar when healthy with Bam there so they don’t actually NEED him to be healthy…and give up a really good project and someone who does nothing but score on a team scoring it’s ass off focusing on ball movement and effort.
Who loses?
A lot of teams could do something like that but Miami is in the unusual position of not needing him to do anything to be decent. They could play him 20 minutes game and no back to backs like Embiid and probably get home court.
Sing where becoming all-star in three years with flag would be annoying, but the heat are a team that’s always about right now. Riley is too old to give a shit about 2032.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043477]Funny thing is Kidd was way more of a malcontent and criminal than either of them. Especially Russ who I believe is a model citizen and generally loved by teammates.
If Ja organized a mutiny against his college coach, broke up his first nba teams future by being in a love triangle with a celebrity, destroyed his second by beating his wife multiple times and getting DUIs which got him traded to a third team he funded with 2 coaches of, directly got one fired, then sandbagged and refused to play to get traded to his fourth team?
He might actually deserve his rep.
Jason Kidd was one of the biggest coach killing team cancers in history it just doesn’t feeeeeel like it because he was so great on the floor.
Ja and Russ don’t have any mugshots unless I forgot something. And maybe I did I guess. But his record is waaaaaaay worse with teammates, coaches, laws, and family.
Which is one reason I don’t think he’d balk as much as some and think he could be a mentor to a guy like that.[/QUOTE]
Yea but this is basketball. Kidd was anything but malignant on the court.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043489]If they shoot for another big I’d imagine it would be a young one on a team that’s anti tank. Like Miami. You ask for this kid
[video=youtube_share;rJOqpdMbaAw]https://youtu.be/rJOqpdMbaAw?si=9H7smbgM5LlVvBWz[/video]
Him plus Herro and one of their nobodies gets you about 44 of 54 million. You figure out the rest with third teams or whatever you gotta do.
Heat score 125 a game this year without Herro playing a second yet. He expires next year so Dallas has no long term issues.
[b]Heat basically add a superstar when healthy with Bam there so they don’t actually NEED him to be healthy…and give up a really good project and someone who does nothing but score on a team scoring it’s ass off focusing on ball movement and effort.[/b]
Who loses?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but I just dont know how keen teams are to try these 2 Center (which Davis is) experiments midseason.
Not saying they cant work but I think theyre ideal with a full season's runway. And AD aint gettin any younger. If youre gonna trade for him it's probably to contend this year, not to wait til his body's another year older.
I just dont know that Miami is incentivized to give up Ware for Davis. Theres too many unknowns. Pairing Bam and AD midseason AND hoping Davis stays healthy is not a slam dunk by any means IMO. Unless Riles knows has plans to retire in the next two years and wants to take one last wild swing beforehand. But I think it's got a dubious chance of success.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043493]Yeah but I just dont know how keen teams are to try these 2 Center (which Davis is) experiments midseason.
Not saying they cant work but I think theyre ideal with a full season's runway. And AD aint gettin any younger. If youre gonna trade for him it's probably to contend this year, not to wait til his body's another year older.
I just dont know that Miami is incentivized to give up Ware for Davis. Theres too many unknowns. Pairing Bam and AD midseason AND hoping Davis stays healthy is not a slam dunk by any means IMO. Unless Riles knows has plans to retire in the next two years and wants to take one last wild swing beforehand. But I think it's got a dubious chance of success.[/QUOTE]
The center who insists he is a 4. Thats another issue.
Honestly, the Mavs need to just do the responsible thing and buy Davis out, so that he may sign with the Lakers.
Lebron does [U]NOT[/U] need the help, but it would be noble to allow Davis to return to his Father Figure and the place he calls home.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043493]Yeah but I just dont know how keen teams are to try these 2 Center (which Davis is) experiments midseason.
Not saying they cant work but I think theyre ideal with a full season's runway. And AD aint gettin any younger. If youre gonna trade for him it's probably to contend this year, not to wait til his body's another year older.
I just dont know that Miami is incentivized to give up Ware for Davis. Theres too many unknowns. Pairing Bam and AD midseason AND hoping Davis stays healthy is not a slam dunk by any means IMO. Unless Riles knows has plans to retire in the next two years and wants to take one last wild swing beforehand. But I think it's got a dubious chance of success.[/QUOTE]
If two bigs is a concern they wouldn’t value ware to begin with unless they view bam as a trade piece. But they could have landed multiple superstars by now if they dick intend to keep him.
I think the feasibility comes down to if they think they can land Giannis now that Luka is off the table
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043507]If two bigs is a concern they wouldn’t value water to begin with unless they view bam as a trade piece. But they could have landed multiple superstars by now if they dick intend to keep him.
I think the feasibility comes down to if they think they can land Giannis now that Luka is off the table[/QUOTE]
Luka doesnt really fit the heat culture
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15043507][B]If two bigs is a concern they wouldn’t value ware to begin with unless they view bam as a trade piece.[/B] But they could have landed multiple superstars by now if they dick intend to keep him.
I think the feasibility comes down to if they think they can land Giannis now that Luka is off the table[/QUOTE]
It's different when you can add a guy with a mid first round pick making rookie deal money versus giving up two young pieces (Herro was just an allstar last year) to take back a guy making 54 million a year. Youre really investing a ton in something that has long odds of working right away. If he doesnt click with Bam theyre just fooked. I would be interested to see it as a viewer but I dont think it's a gamble I would take for that team right now.
I think the two-center stuff is interesting and has potential around the league, but that's when one of the centers is a low risk acquisition. Steven Adams, Mitchell Robinson, Jonas Valanciunus. Luke Kornet. You trade a second rounder for them and/or sign them for role player money, then see how they fit with your star center. Trading Herro and Ware for Davis when you already have Bam is just too radical. And Davis makes 54 million a year, bringing him in to play only 20 minutes a night... I dont think the Heat are goin for that. Theres just no way.
Dallas Mavericks minority owner Mark Cuban told The Athletic the franchise would not try to trade Anthony Davis this season. “We won’t. We want to try to win,” Cuban said Wednesday in an email when asked if he and Mavericks governor Patrick Dumont would seek a deal for Davis, the oft-injured, 10-time All-Star who was the centerpiece for Dallas in last season’s Luka Dončić trade.
New York Times
Good luck mark :lol
To Houston makes sense or GS or Chicago or NYK
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;15043556]To Houston makes sense or GS or Chicago or NYK[/QUOTE]
Ny or chicago maybe because they have centers that stretch the floor which davis doesnt and he has to play the 4!
The only options are Zion, Trae, or Ja...and really which team is going to take the AD problem
I'd love to see AD go to the Warriors but I'm not sure we have anyone they want. I'd offer Kuminga (potential future all-star), two of our guards (from: Moody, Podziemski, Payton, Hield), and future draft picks. If the Mavs are building for the future, those young guys might be valuable.
[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15043468]Lol. Never took you for a mornin drinker.
Two core pieces of Denver's future on value contracts just entering their prime for a guy who never plays?
I think youre way overestimating this dudes trade value.
The guy never plays. I dont see teams giving up real things for him. And yes, some insane team probably will, but I dont see it being the Nuggets. Theyre too measured. It would have to come from an overzealous owner, like Mat Ishbia or Steve Ballmer. Owners who believe they can "will" bad questionable decisions to work out.[/QUOTE]
Is he? Lakers got Luka for him, Christie and a 1st, so I'd say his value is pretty damn high, even with the injuries. He's an incredible performer in the Playoffs.
He has nagging injuries sure, but you can load manage him for around 50-60 games a year and get an elite performance out of him come Playoff time against the best teams in the league. He doesn't have a bad knee or a bad back, he has small injuries like pulling his groin or calf, he definitely needs to drop a few pounds but he's still a top 5-10 player in the league when healthy and there's only so many guys who can play at that level. He doesn't make sense for Denver but there will be a number of teams that will offer a lot for him.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;15043615]Is he? Lakers got Luka for him, Christie and a 1st, so I'd say his value is pretty damn high, even with the injuries.[/QUOTE]
In a move nobody criticized either, the consensus was the Mavs got good value back on that trade. It moved Nico into the convo of best GM's in the league, a title I'm sure he'll hold for quite some time.