My offer for Anthony Davis from the Warriors

We get Anthony Davis.

We give the Mavs:

[B]Kuminga (future all-star)
Podziemski (starting Guard on GSW)
Moody (promising 3 and D player, 6th man)
2026 1st round draft pick
2028 1st round draft pick[/B]

Jonathan Kuminga can be an all-star, potentially even an MVP, on the right team. He is young, fitting in with the Mavs rebuilding project around Cooper Flagg.

Pods and Moody are also young too but enough experience to hit the ground running. Moody is a top 6th man in the league.

Kuminga's ceiling is MVP. He has incredible offensive moves; and can put up 30 points/game, if given minutes. He has been stifled on the Warriors because chemistry issues between him and Curry, him and Kerr. The minute that changes, and he's given free reign, he can do serious damage. You need a scorer while Cooper develops. He is strong on individual D in guarding and with the right coaching, will improve in terms of team D.


Would you take it?

Dont see the fit with draymond. Might as well throw him in the deal

Pretty good trade for both sides. Warriors are already suicide mission all in on the last Curry years. May as well double down on it. Mavs get some assets for their rebuild with Flag

I think if you replaced the 2026 pick with the 2032 pick, and made both picks unprotected, that's a pretty fair trade.

The biggest hangup here is that the Mavericks are not in a position to tank. They owe first round picks or swaps in 2027, 2028, 2029, and 2030. And there are no protections any of those years except 2027 for top 2 overall.

Kuminga All-Star, is possible but a longshot. MVP? I can't go there with you. If Dallas is down on Davis O foul of see the trade happening though after what they have up to get Davis off in a Mavs fan I would have a hard time settling for this package.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044163]Pretty good trade for both sides. Warriors are already suicide mission all in on the last Curry years. May as well double down on it. Mavs get some assets for their rebuild with Flag[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

But there are big potential problems:

I have a creeping suspicion that Kuminga might have a room temperature IQ, and will spend his entire NBA career, and post career retirement being a salty dumb bitch, feeling he was done wrong and cheated out of superstardom …. clinging to the delusional belief that someone whose percentage on midrange is among the worst in the league, even when he got the high usage he wanted so badly …. in the playoffs…. That he should be a superstar that takes 25 FGA + a game.

If Kuminga arrives in Dallas, mark my words, he will quietly assume he is vastly superior to Cooper, and should be the focal point of the offense. He will resent Cooper and the staff, for not recognizing it, and be the same delusional, pouty, stupid 3rd world bitchmade MF he is. And continue to play poor defense, despite being an elite athlete, and keep making inexcusable mistakes on both ends, due to stupidity and selfishness.

YMMV.

On the other side, GSW training staff is worlds better than the Mavs staff, post Casey-Smith firing. So maybe they can keep Davis on the court ? But even with that … is Curry, Butler, and Day-To-Davis enough to Beat the Nuggets, Thunder, or Lakers in a series ? IDK. Doubtful.

Sabonis a better fit. Better shooter, better rebounder, better passer, more willing to screen and play tge 5, healthier, younger

OP, you can have my answer now if youd like.


My offer is this:

Nothing.

Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044189]Sabonis a better fit. Better shooter, better rebounder, better passer, more willing to screen and play tge 5, healthier, younger[/QUOTE]

Sabonis is actually low-key a bad defender, while Davis is one of the best a DPOY level player. Davis is also significantly better offensively.

Sabonis is a good return for Kuminga, but I wouldn't include the two firsts.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044192][B]Sabonis is actually low-key a bad defender[/B], while Davis is one of the best a DPOY level player. Davis is also significantly better offensively.

Sabonis is a good return for Kuminga, but I wouldn't include the two firsts.[/QUOTE]


Low key!?

Im not sure there are many things higher key than Domas' defensive weakness.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044192]Sabonis is actually low-key a bad defender, while Davis is one of the best a DPOY level player. Davis is also significantly better offensively.

Sabonis is a good return for Kuminga, but I wouldn't include the two firsts.[/QUOTE]

Davis is a better defender. He is a more aggressive scorer and gets to the line more. Sabonis is more efficient, better playmaker, shooter and offensive rebounder. Wouldnt say better offensive player. Gs has plenty of scoring with curry and butler. Sabonis as 3rd option looks pretty good to me

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE;15044196]Low key!?

Im not sure there are many things higher key than Domas' defensive weakness.[/QUOTE]

Some guys equate defensive rebounding to defense. I do not.

I agree he's very bad at basically everything except the defensive rebounding. He is not a shot blocker, not a guy who draws charges, does not have the foot speed to hedge and recover, always defends in a drop, and doesn't have the defensive IQ to create a lot of deflections like Jokic does.

Sabonis is incredibly difficult to build around and will likely age like milk.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044198]Davis is a better defender. He is a more aggressive scorer and gets to the line more. Sabonis is more efficient, better playmaker, shooter and offensive rebounder. Wouldnt say better offensive player. Gs has plenty of scoring with curry and butler. Sabonis as 3rd option looks pretty good to me[/QUOTE]

I think you're still underselling the valley between their defense.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044202]I think you're still underselling the valley between their defense.[/QUOTE]

And you are underselling which fits better with draymond and butler and which one you can expect to actually be on the floor to play d.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044203]And you are underselling which fits better with draymond and butler and which one you can expect to actually be on the floor to play d.[/QUOTE]

How does Sabonis fit better? Butler plays in the mid post and Draymond is the one conducting the dribble handoffs. Sabonis is totally redundant with both of them offensively. Defensively he adds nothing.

Davis adds at least something of a lob threat. Also, Sabonis' best ever FTA per game in the playoffs were 4.0, Davis' worst ever FT average was 5.2 a night with the best being 9 FT attempts. You cant compare their ability to draw fouls.

Let's not pretend that if Davis was traded straight up for Sabonis that everyone would call it a fleecing. They are players on different tiers. Let's keep the downsides of Davis [B]strictly[/B] as injury concerns. Let's not start making up fairytales about Sabonis being better in any meaningful way.

Some more numbers:
Sabonis career best rebounding average in the playoffs, 11.0 vs Davis 15.6.
Sabonis scoring peak 16.4 vs Davis 31.5.
Sabonis career high FG% 58% as a role player vs Davis 63% as option 1A/B.

All this also not taking into account Sabonis has never been out of the first round.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044225]How does Sabonis fit better? Butler plays in the mid post and Draymond is the one conducting the dribble handoffs. Sabonis is totally redundant with both of them offensively. Defensively he adds nothing.

Davis adds at least something of a lob threat. Also, Sabonis' best ever FTA per game in the playoffs were 4.0, Davis' worst ever FT average was 5.2 a night with the best being 9 FT attempts. You cant compare their ability to draw fouls.

Let's not pretend that if Davis was traded straight up for Sabonis that everyone would call it a fleecing. They are players on different tiers. Let's keep the downsides of Davis [B]strictly[/B] as injury concerns. Let's not start making up fairytales about Sabonis being better in any meaningful way.[/QUOTE]

They need more players stretching the floor not less. Davis gets to the line more and shoots them better which is great in a big. He looks to score more. Sabonis is better at everything else offensively. And he will likely be on the floor unlike crutch. If you want a lob threat there are better options. Defensively they have have green, butler, payton, horford. Can he play team d with those guys around him?

Who cares who you think is better straight up. It is a team sport. I dont think davis is a great fit on that team other than he is another old guy that will miss a lot of games. There are teams where davis might fit better like chicago or ny. I could care less. Shit show in gs is fine by me.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044233]Some more numbers:
Sabonis career best rebounding average in the playoffs, 11.0 vs Davis 15.6.
Sabonis scoring peak 16.4 vs Davis 31.5.
Sabonis career high FG% 58% as a role player vs Davis 63% as option 1A/B.

All this also not taking into account Sabonis has never been out of the first round.[/QUOTE]

Sabonis is an all star not a role player. How has davis done outside the bubble and without lebron? Again team sport. Fg% includes 3s which sabonis takes more of. Already said davis scores more. They have curry and butler. I dont imagine scoring will be a problem with him as the 3rd option. Davis or someone might not be happy if they arent getting enough touches or god forbid they have to play the 5!

Bruh I’m a half way warriors fan who has lived in LA.

We don’t want Davis!!!!!!!

WTF you thinking?

You over thinking.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044236]Sabonis is an all star not a role player. How has davis done outside the bubble and without lebron? Again team sport. Fg% includes 3s which sabonis takes more of. Already said davis scores more. They have curry and butler. I dont imagine scoring will be a problem with him as the 3rd option. Davis or someone might not be happy if they arent getting enough touches or god forbid they have to play the 5![/QUOTE]

I was saying that when Sabonis averaged 58% FG in the playoffs it was as a bench player. As a star his best was 50% far below Davis both with or without Lebron.

Davis as the number one option at least led his team to the 2nd round.

Anyway to sum up this whole disagreement, GS should trade for Davis if they are looking for a true #2/1b option that can also be the most impactful player on both sides of the court for any given playoff game, the huge risk is injury.

GS should trade for Sabonis knowing you will only be getting a 3rd option, 2nd option at his very best, and it's highly unlikely he will be even the best offensive player on his own team for any playoff game sharing the court with Curry and Butler, and he will hurt their defense if Draymond and Butler are in foul trouble, but he's typically been a much more durable player.

Davis isn’t leading anyone anywhere anymore.

Let that sink in.

Dude is through.

He’s been paid and basketball ain’t shit.

The OP is an idiot if he can’t see this.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044243]I was saying that when Sabonis averaged 58% FG in the playoffs it was as a bench player. As a star his best was 50% far below Davis both with or without Lebron.

Davis as the number one option at least led his team to the 2nd round.

Anyway to sum up this whole disagreement, GS should trade for Davis if they are looking for a true #2/1b option that can also be the most impactful player on both sides of the court for any given playoff game, the huge risk is injury.

GS should trade for Sabonis knowing you will only be getting a 3rd option, 2nd option at his very best, and it's highly unlikely he will be even the best offensive player on his own team for any playoff game sharing the court with Curry and Butler, and he will hurt their defense if Draymond and Butler are in foul trouble, but he's typically been a much more durable player.[/QUOTE]

Curry and butler should be good enough as the 1 and 2 options. Obviously butler misses a lot of games as well and might not be happy if he isnt getting the ball enough

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044247]Curry and butler should be good enough as the 1 and 2 options. Obviously butler misses a lot of games as well and might not be happy if he isnt getting the ball enough[/QUOTE]

Good enough to lead them to the 8th spot. Butler has been a mediocre sidekick after the new car smell wore off.

His numbers look good on paper, but his impact on the team has not been what it was last year. He's also a shell of himself defensively.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044288]Good enough to lead them to the 8th spot. Butler has been a mediocre sidekick after the new car smell wore off.

His numbers look good on paper, but his impact on the team has not been what it was last year. He's also a shell of himself defensively.[/QUOTE]

Than davis injured in the sidelines doesnt help them anyway

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044189]Sabonis a better fit. Better shooter, better rebounder, better passer, more willing to screen and play tge 5, healthier, younger[/QUOTE]

Horrible defender and while he's better from mid-range & 3 on percentages he doesn't shoot at an enough volume. His mid-range volume is really low compared to AD so even if his % is better he doesnt take many. He takes 2 threes a game and that's significantly more in volume than his mid-range. Rebounding really isn't a big difference.

He's just a better passer but for GS that wouldn't matter much you're not running the offense through him with the way Warriors move the ball, Dray already got that role anyway. AD makes more sense with what the Warriors need. Sabonis also tore his meniscus so that could be an issue moving forward.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15044297]Horrible defender and while he's better from mid-range & 3 on percentages he doesn't shoot at an enough volume. His mid-range volume is really low compared to AD so even if his % is better he doesnt take many. He takes 2 threes a game and that's significantly more in volume than his mid-range. Rebounding really isn't a big difference.

He's just a better passer but for GS that wouldn't matter much you're not running the offense through him with the way Warriors move the ball, Dray already got that role anyway. AD makes more sense with what the Warriors need. Sabonis also tore his meniscus so that could be an issue moving forward.[/QUOTE]

Sure make it easier for opposing defenses if they can pack the paint

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15044150]We get Anthony Davis.

We give the Mavs:

[B]Kuminga (future all-star)
Podziemski (starting Guard on GSW)
Moody (promising 3 and D player, 6th man)
2026 1st round draft pick
2028 1st round draft pick[/B]

Jonathan Kuminga can be an all-star, potentially even an MVP, on the right team. He is young, fitting in with the Mavs rebuilding project around Cooper Flagg.

Pods and Moody are also young too but enough experience to hit the ground running. Moody is a top 6th man in the league.

Kuminga's ceiling is MVP. He has incredible offensive moves; and can put up 30 points/game, if given minutes. He has been stifled on the Warriors because chemistry issues between him and Curry, him and Kerr. The minute that changes, and he's given free reign, he can do serious damage. You need a scorer while Cooper develops. He is strong on individual D in guarding and with the right coaching, will improve in terms of team D.


Would you take it?[/QUOTE]
Kuminga is not even a good player. He's Jordan Poole level of trainwreck.

Pod and Moody is ok. Both barely starting level player.

So Mavs should not take it. It's not bad enough. Maybe AD for Beal?

[QUOTE=iamgine;15044310]Kuminga is not even a good player. He's Jordan Poole level of trainwreck.

Pod and Moody is ok. Both barely starting level player.

So Mavs should not take it. It's not bad enough. Maybe AD for Beal?[/QUOTE]

Sure just add another 40 million in contracts to match

Funny to see two idiots in the other thread acting like “day to day” Davis has no trade value. But saying this is a fair value. Guess his aging and health matters none.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044309]Sure make it easier for opposing defenses if they can pack the paint[/QUOTE]

Warriors always had bigs who couldn't shoot but provided defense & rebounding and screened for their shooters. They move the ball a lot. Sabonis is not even a 3PT shooter that you'd be worried about because he's not a volume shooter nor a good one.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15044334]Warriors always had bigs who couldn't shoot but provided defense & rebounding and screened for their shooters. They move the ball a lot. Sabonis is not even a 3PT shooter that you'd be worried about because he's not a volume shooter nor a good one.[/QUOTE]

They also screen and pass a lot. Sabonis is elite at those things. Je will als willingly play the 5 and show up to play with no conplaints.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15044339]They also screen and pass a lot. Sabonis is elite at those things. Je will als willingly play the 5 and show up to play with no conplaints.[/QUOTE]

You're calling out bare minimum stuff for a guy who has been a career mediocre needle mover yet will make $45M on average over this current contract, and regularly ends his season in the lottery or first round KO.

[QUOTE=beasted;15044343]You're calling out bare minimum stuff for a guy who has been a career mediocre needle mover yet will make $45M on average over this current contract, and regularly ends his season in the lottery or first round KO.[/QUOTE]

Vs an old guy on a similar contract who doesnt want to play the position he should play, cant spread the floor, and cant ne counted on to even play.